Vader lid experts chime in

[Darth Domain]

Looking for info on maker/origin, accuaracy (if you can tell much from the pic) Thanks

 

[ob1al]

Hard to tell a lot from the small pic.

Could be a DP Deluxe derivative - it looks quite nice from what I can tell.

 

[Darth Domain]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(ob1al @ Nov 22 2006, 05:38 PM) [snapback]1363626[/snapback]</div>

Hard to tell a lot from the small pic.

Could be a DP Deluxe derivative - it looks quite nice from what I can tell.
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Yeah, its not bad, needs new lenses and perhaps repaint but i'm interested in it.

 

[Too Much Garlic]

My first thought says "Elstree"... but I am no expert and far from certain, as many of the key elements that can help identify the helmet are hidden - such as the chin vent and dome mount. What IS visible is the dome that appears to be a RotJ, though, it is not as flared as on some of the "Elstree" helmets... the dome ridge looks sharp, so that could rule out a DP/Rubies DLX/copy.

Heck... someone more knowledgeable could probably tell you what it is or narrow it down some.

Is that the only picture you have?

 

[Darth Domain]

Just another couple of questions.
Were Vader helmets for ESB made at Pinewood studios, if so, how many were made for the film?

 

[Darth Domain]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(NoHumorMan @ Nov 22 2006, 05:44 PM) [snapback]1363633[/snapback]</div>

My first thought says "Elstree"... but I am no expert and far from certain, as many of the key elements that can help identify the helmet are hidden - such as the chin vent and dome mount. What IS visible is the dome that appears to be a RotJ, though, it is not as flared as on some of the "Elstree" helmets... the dome ridge looks sharp, so that could rule out a DP/Rubies DLX/copy.

Heck... someone more knowledgeable could probably tell you what it is or narrow it down some.

Is that the only picture you have?
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It is yes, its one i may be interested in but i need confirmation of what it is and whence it came

 

[gonk27]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Darth Domain @ Nov 22 2006, 05:45 PM) [snapback]1363634[/snapback]</div>

Just another couple of questions.
Were Vader helmets for ESB made at Pinewood studios, if so, how many were made for the film?
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I don't think it would have been Pinewood. You mean Elstree Studios?



Jeremy

 

[Darth Kahnt]

Mark, its really hard to tell from the small pic. It is obviously an eBay auction due to the watermark on the pic so could you email the seller and request some larger pics? I want to reserve comment until I see something not that help me make a better judgement, although NHM's inital observations are a good start.

 

[SithLord]

It looks like ESB....seems from the soft lower edges of the mouth slots and nose shape to be DP-related, although the helmet looks sharpened.

 

[bigbaddaddyvader]

She says it's Pinewood(although she probably does mean Elstree) and it's from an ESB mold and is expecting no less than £800 so that might give you an idea as to where the reserve is too.However also note that she says this was given as a memento but also said that they sold another one for £800 not that long ago....How many mementos did he make from original molds then?

 

[Darth Detroit]

I was just noticing the sharp creases onthe dome above the eyes.... very interesting...

 

[Too Much Garlic]

That story and no better pictures? I would be very cautious. She's selling it as a "cast from original molds" and doesn't even have her facts straight... and that price for such a cast... hmm... I'm sorry, but it just smells fishy to me.

Is it a currently running eBay auction?

 

[Cantina_Dude]

Hey,

Well it reminds me a lot of this helmet that was displayed somewhere as an original ESB:

(Sorry, I'm not really sure the source of this photo, but if the owner wants it taken down, let me know.)

It appears to have broken tusks, and the overall look seems very similar. Thoughts?

Cheers,

MJC.

 

[Too Much Garlic]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Cantina_Dude @ Nov 22 2006, 11:31 PM) [snapback]1363838[/snapback]</div>

It appears to have broken tusks, and the overall look seems very similar. Thoughts?
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Good find. I would say it IS a picture of this very helmet and cannot possibly be from "original molds" and have the same broken parts... that would be pretty impossible, imo.

Also, if the original posted picture was from an auction, shouldn't seller be able to provide a larger version - without the ebay stamp on it - or additional pictures?

Or... have people been contacted by an eBayer when bidding on other Vader helmets and losing those, offering to sell helmets? I had that happening about 1 or 2 years ago when I was bidding on one of SLs helmet - she contacted me claiming she had the exact helmet for sale for cheaper, but couldn't show pictures of it... then she had the original ESB fencing helmet and other original helmets, offering them dirt-cheap - all in boxes, ready to go - when asking for pictures she sent pictures swiped from Jez's site or elsewhere. Be very, very careful, as this sounds alarmingly like a scammer.

 

[Star Wars Helmets]

Cantina Dude

Thats the Planet Hollywood (Orlando) ESB Vader

Here's a pic I took

Cheers

Jez

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(NoHumorMan @ Nov 22 2006, 10:40 PM) [snapback]1363845[/snapback]</div>

[ then she had the original ESB fencing helmet and other original helmets, offering them dirt-cheap - all in boxes, ready to go - when asking for pictures she sent pictures swiped from Jez's site or elsewhere. Be very, very careful, as this sounds alarmingly like a scammer.
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SOB took pics from my site for an auction? - I HATE THAT...

Almost certainly a con.

BUYER BEWARE.

Cheers

Jez

 

[bigbaddaddyvader]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(NoHumorMan @ Nov 22 2006, 10:19 PM) [snapback]1363828[/snapback]</div>

That story and no better pictures? I would be very cautious. She's selling it as a "cast from original molds" and doesn't even have her facts straight... and that price for such a cast... hmm... I'm sorry, but it just smells fishy to me.

Is it a currently running eBay auction?
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I'm with you on this one.i had enquired into this myself as i am looking to add a vader helmet to my collection but something feels not right about it.I am no great expert on Vader helmets so I can't speak as to the accuracy/authenticity of the details but i do know when something just doesn't feel right with a piece.I mean,really,wouldn't you remember the studio your relative worked at if they worked on vader?And so very few details provided for such a large price tag.Maybe I'm getting a bit cynical after spending too much time in this hobby and seeing rip-off after rip-off after rip-off..........
Maybe she is on the level and I am overly cautious.

 

[Too Much Garlic]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(BingoBongo275 @ Nov 22 2006, 11:43 PM) [snapback]1363846[/snapback]</div>

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(NoHumorMan @ Nov 22 2006, 10:40 PM) [snapback]1363845[/snapback]

[ then she had the original ESB fencing helmet and other original helmets, offering them dirt-cheap - all in boxes, ready to go - when asking for pictures she sent pictures swiped from Jez's site or elsewhere. Be very, very careful, as this sounds alarmingly like a scammer.
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SOB took pics from my site for an auction? - I HATE THAT...
Almost certainly a con.
BUYER BEWARE.
Cheers
Jez
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No, she never had an auction... she just contacted me through eBay about having all those helmets and that she could get a hold of practically any helmet I wanted for less than I had to pay from the original makers. I asked for pictures and she sent some that most certainly came from your site or Darth Blade's... I gave her the run-around and then stopped writing her completely - not wanting to risk my money.

She could even get original cast Biker Scout helmets... ANYTHING I WANTED. Rose a big red flag in my book.

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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(NoHumorMan @ Nov 22 2006, 10:19 PM) [snapback]1363828[/snapback]

That story and no better pictures? I would be very cautious. She's selling it as a "cast from original molds" and doesn't even have her facts straight... and that price for such a cast... hmm... I'm sorry, but it just smells fishy to me.
Is it a currently running eBay auction?
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I'm with you on this one.i had enquired into this myself as i am looking to add a vader helmet to my collection but something feels not right about it.I am no great expert on Vader helmets so I can't speak as to the accuracy/authenticity of the details but i do know when something just doesn't feel right with a piece.I mean,really,wouldn't you remember the studio your relative worked at if they worked on vader?And so very few details provided for such a large price tag.Maybe I'm getting a bit cynical after spending too much time in this hobby and seeing rip-off after rip-off after rip-off..........
Maybe she is on the level and I am overly cautious.
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Well... I can get not remembering the studio name or Vader... but really... better to be cautious than sorry. I'm just wondering if this is the same one offering to sell me stuff at that time. Info was lacking, wrong/swiped pictures... insanely low price tags (though high enough) for such an item.

If additional pictures cannot be provided of this seemingly ORIGINAL helmet, then it HAS to be a scam.

 

[bigbaddaddyvader]

I asked for more pictures and none were forthcoming.I was told,however,that offers in the region of £800 would be considered.She seems to be very sure of her facts when it comes to how many helmets were made and that this is in fact from an ESB mold and yet alarmingly wrong about the origins of the piece.And swiping other people's pics......shudder.

 

[Too Much Garlic]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(bigbaddaddyvader @ Nov 23 2006, 12:01 AM) [snapback]1363870[/snapback]</div>

I asked for more pictures and none were forthcoming.I was told,however,that offers in the region of £800 would be considered.She seems to be very sure of her facts when it comes to how many helmets were made and that this is in fact from an ESB mold and yet alarmingly wrong about the origins of the piece.And swiping other people's pics......shudder.
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So, is it a current auction or did she contact you through eBay when you were bidding on something else?

Well, firstly: she's lying. She should be able to provide a larger picture than the eBay stamped one - the original, the one she uploaded to eBay. Heck, she could have swiped it from any auction or whatnot.
Secondly: the picture is showing an actual display/exhibition helmet, not something cast from original molds.
Thirdly: You should report her.

I still have the contact info for that woman contacting me... maybe I should cross-reference with you to see if it is the same person.?

 

[bigbaddaddyvader]

I think that would be a very good idea and the results would be interesting.She didn't contact me but I saw the auction and asked her about it.If there are corresponding details in your cross-referencing she should most definitely be reported.