VADER EXPERTS

[SithLord]

<div class='quotetop'>(RKW @ Jun 23 2006, 07:12 AM) [snapback]1266523[/snapback]</div>

There is no way from these initial pics that you are going to be able to see any dents on the teeth which is why we need better photos before making any rash decisions. I don't believe you will find that area I indicated with the red arrow on the 20thC. My point though was that you believe 90% that the Elstree helmet is from the 20thC yet I have shown a comparison of the mouth with the DJ helmet that looks identical in my eyes considering the differences in angles. So can you really be 90% certain it's from the 20thC?
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I've seen enough pics and studied that feature enough that I know if it's there to the extent of the original it will show up, for example see below...the 20th C is the closest thing I could find in relation to this mask. There might be other castings like the Elstree one around...very likely...but the overall shape of the Elstree is more reminiscent of ESB than ANH. I suspect the 20th C because it has reference for the tabs that appear to match up in terms of positioning with the making of SW scene shown earlier in this thread. The placement of tabs on the Elstree looks accurate but without a top view that's just an assumption.

 

[RKW]

All you've done SL is blow up an already poor resolution image.

The helmet below has the indents but can you make them out, no.

I guess we all see what we want to see in an image.

"but the overall shape of the Elstree is more reminiscent of ESB than ANH"???

 

[SithLord]

<div class='quotetop'>(RKW @ Jun 23 2006, 11:38 AM) [snapback]1266663[/snapback]</div>

All you've done SL is blow up an already poor resolution image.

The helmet below has the indents but can you make them out, no.

I guess we all see what we want to see in an image.

"but the overall shape of the Elstree is more reminiscent of ESB than ANH"???
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What I see is a low resolution image of the DJ faceplate. I'll show a closeup later today after I get home from work. If you look at the grid on the Elstree, you'll see that the resolution is plenty sufficient, at least for someone who knows what to look for.

You have no idea what the correct shape should be, do you.

 

[Benign Robot]

These guys are full of @#$%..

Other than the head, they got their 3PO from this guy:

Gee, Looky here...

So I would be very cautious accepting any of their claims as to the authenticity of anything on their site, as they have a relly dodgey rep. Check out this thread:

http://com5.runboard.com/bc3pobuildersasso...ocoldroids.t159

For you Vader guys - when I first posted that the same type of tabs were used on the Apple II, I didn't mean to infer that they were "made" by Apple. They're made by 3M, and I think they called them "bonding strips", or "adhesive strips", or "tabs", or something like that. I think they still make something pretty close.

Just a heads up, so nobody gets hosed.

 

[The Manlet]

Interesting looking fake as you say SL

 

[lambotour]

<div class='quotetop'>(GundamZeppelin @ Jun 23 2006, 01:27 PM) [snapback]1266743[/snapback]</div>

Interesting looking fake as you say SL
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Nice comp.

 

[RKW]

That's a shame to hear about the dubious antics of Elstree. First SDS now them, I guess you just can't trust any big name prop maker these days.

If this is a fake can someone PM me where I can get one?

 

[SithLord]

If that's Kermit in the suit then it's the real deal, but it's shot closeup with a wide-angle lense...the Elstree photo wasn't. Yep....I do actually care about perspective once in a while .

Thanks for posting the stuff about the C3PO. I also heard from a C3PO guy that there was no way that the suit on their site was cast from an original. But I'm not a C3PO expert.


Bogus C3PO, bogus Vader helmet.


That being said, it's still an interesting mask and something worth discussing and studying further from a nice-looking-Vader-replica point of view.....

 

[vaderdarth]

I'll give you another tidbit of info to consider. If you could see that elstree with the a decent dome on it,.......you would see plenty of differences from that Kermit photo. The eyes are shaped a bit different in more respects than have been discussed here. The nose bridge has some distinct differences going on as well. Then there is the mouth details. Several of those to ponder. Not saying it's not a pretty helmet, just saying it's not out of ANH moulds or moulded off the screen suit. The claims are just that......claims. Of course take my opinion with a grain of salt. I'm only going off the photos provided of the elstree, but it seems pretty clear to me personally.

Peace,

Dave


<div class='quotetop'>(SithLord @ Jun 23 2006, 05:09 PM) [snapback]1266945[/snapback]</div>

If that's Kermit in the suit then it's the real deal, but it's shot closeup with a wide-angle lense...the Elstree photo wasn't. Yep....I do actually care about perspective once in a while .

Thanks for posting the stuff about the C3PO. I also heard from a C3PO guy that there was no way that the suit on their site was cast from an original. But I'm not a C3PO expert.


Bogus C3PO, bogus Vader helmet.


That being said, it's still an interesting mask and something worth discussing and studying further from a nice-looking-Vader-replica point of view.....
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[SithLord]

Along the same vein, getting back to the three characteristic indentations or notches on the second tooth from Vader's right....this comparison shows that the Elstree mask is very likely from an ESB-era casting based on the amount of indentation of notches a, b and c. I've compared these notches for quite some time among the helmets and a ROTJ, for example, has almost no remnant at all of these, whereas the ANH shows much greater depth to the indentations. Remolding softens details like these through the generations of helmets from ANH to ROTJ. They change, yet they define the lineage.

If the DJ faceplate can have deeper notches than a faceplate claimed to BE AN ORIGINAL from the original mold, there's something definitely wrong there....

 

[WarpedScale]

If Elstree is soo concerned about things like the tabs why not just take pics covering the darn things up.

At least with better photos of the the Elstree helmet sans tabs, better comparision pictures can be made.

Ryu

 

[SithLord]

I thought I'd look at the C3PO as well even though I'm not an expert....please let me know if you'd like these removed...this is only for curiosity's sake...(ya I know curiosity kills cats )...

Remember...the eyes are machined just like the originals on the Elstree...I bet they can't put them inside the head with their base against the inside of the temple because the head is too small ....

 

[HDPE]

I'm not an expert and I've no plans of becoming one, but IMHO one doesn't need to be an expert to see that the Elstree 3 PO and the Ebay one look nothing alike.

 

[hartmann]

very good this pics of vader thanks
pierre

 

[RKW]

How come the Ebay helmet has a curved nose bridge?

Did they change the design through out the trilogy or am I misinterpreting the photo?

 

[GINO]

Pending, better pics of that facemask, I'd be interested in one.
If someone has the scoop on obtaining one, please pm me.