Vader cheek mark (c-scar)

[defstartrooper]

First, im not talking about people, i was talking about helmets, unless you think that the helmet makes them who they are.
Second, why dont you go read the eFX thread from start to finish and realize how it all really started.

I have read it thanks.
It started with people asking questions, there's a difference you know between asking questions and downright calling people deceptive and liars.
When people are spending hundreds of dollars on something they're entitled to ask questions about the helmet aren't they or do you think that's insulting and offensive ?
That's all anyone has commented on in regards to the eFX no accusations just questions, nobody has said anything derogatory about it or eFX.

And you were talking about people.

The only thing that has happened so far is raising the Legend status, and this was made only by those members that tried to take it down.

the thought that someone could have modified it.

Paranoid much ?

 

[Juansith]

I have read it thanks.
It started with people asking questions, there's a difference you know between asking questions and downright calling people deceptive and liars.
When people are spending hundreds of dollars on something they're entitled to ask questions about the helmet aren't they or do you think that's insulting and offensive ?
That's all anyone has commented on in regards to the eFX no accusations just questions, nobody has said anything derogatory about it or eFX.

And you were talking about people.



Paranoid much ?[/QUOT

Why does my opinion hurt you?.
You are so predictable, and dont say you read the eFX thread because if you did you wouldnt write what you wrote above in such a hypocritical way.

You know, you are so biased that you stop thinking about a individual and you think like a group that tries to twist things around, but the sad part was that nobody was even paying atention to you, we wanted to talk about the eFX helmet and you all came with you "inocent questions".

Yeah, the mods closed that thread because you were making constructive criticism.

The worst part is that you have to believe what others believe, otherwise youre out, and thats sad.

I wont play your game, sorry,just not challenging or worth it, have it your way.
Peace.

 

[defstartrooper]

You're funny.

 

[Art Andrews]

That's all anyone has commented on in regards to the eFX no accusations just questions, nobody has said anything derogatory about it

I have been watching this thread now and refraining from commenting to the level I was previously, just to see what was what and who was doing what.

Your statement is simply crap and because I know you aren't the idiot you are pretending to be, it clearly shows that your interest here has nothing to do with reasonable discussion of a prop or your proclaimed interest in the clearing the reputations of certain individuals. To spout such a blatant lie while calling out others at the same time makes me think it would be best if you found other threads to troll or perhaps other sites that would welcome your skewed brand of "truth" and "justice." What you are doing here is simply stirring the pot for your own entertainment and it is of no benefit to this discussion or this community. This matter isn't open for debate. Move along.

To everyone else, for the last time, keep your comments focused on the props and not the personalities. The clever sideways jabs aren't clever and aren't cute. If you want to debate the details of Vader's helmets, by all means go for it, but leave the politics and the melodrama at the door. If the trolling, baiting, and undermining continues, no matter how cleverly worded, there will be consequences. If you are willing to throw away your membership so frivolously, you will not be missed. Keep it on topic or take it elsewhere.

 

[defstartrooper]

That's all anyone has commented on in regards to the eFX no accusations just questions, nobody has said anything derogatory about it

I thought that comment was about the prop sorry.

 

[vaderdarth]

Thanks Demorathis. That answers that. Now we wait to see how the factory handles the paint job on the Legend. The limited is a no brainer, but it's a bit tricky to get that gunmetal to look right with a brush. The technique is not difficult, but it does take a bit of practice.

Maybe the guys at eFX will share a factory painted sample with us soon. That would be cool to see.

 

[vaderdarth]

gino, a staunch supporter in your camp made mention earlier that both the Legend and Limited will be pulled from the same mould. That snippet was removed right after it was posted.

Is this true or did the guy just not know what he was saying?

I was under the impression that the Legend will have more goobers on it not just paint ops but other artifacts.

What's the official story?

Dave

 

[OldKen]

All good points!

This is a make it or break it for eFx.

I truly believe this team will work harder to seeing the Prototype perfected and replicated.

There truly is a a LOT riding on them achieving that goal. I for one hope they do.

Thanks Demorathis. That answers that. Now we wait to see how the factory handles the paint job on the Legend. The limited is a no brainer, but it's a bit tricky to get that gunmetal to look right with a brush. The technique is not difficult, but it does take a bit of practice.

Maybe the guys at eFX will share a factory painted sample with us soon. That would be cool to see.

 

[demorathis]

I am hopeful they'll do a good enough job...if theres anything the best factories in china are good at it's copying ... Half those high end art vinyls, urban toys like the ashley wood robots...made out of abs and vinyl are painted to look like actual rusted metal robots based on an artists work, and they look incredible, complete with paint chips and rust drops and scratches into paint, much the way you.d expect to see fett armour and they are almost exactly the same...and efx.s qc is pretty damn tight, considering they know the product reflects the company's work...i am counting on their attention to detail...

 

[vaderdarth]

Very true, I had no faith in MR after I got my M. Falcon paint job in hand, but that's not true with this company. So far they have exceeded my every expectation and that's a fact. A fantastic example is that red 5 Xwing. That thing is sweet. I know it may be 10% larger than it's SS counterpart, but that doesn't take away a thing from that piece. The painting ops are very subtle and natural looking. A perfect addition to your collection. I have similarly high hopes for the TIE. Got to see it up close at CV. Another superb piece I'm dying to grab.

Dave

 

[demorathis]

Come to think of it there are toys...like hot toys figures, that habe fat more complex paint apps than dry brushing, things like the paint on a human face, or creature like neca.s predator and its pretty good already... They better nail it

 

[vaderdarth]

those newer Hot toys figs paint ops.....out of this world at least on the prototypes I haven't seen the production figs however.

I said when this helmet was first announced that one method of replicating the weathering on the Legend was via Tampo Printed Graphics. This method is used on die cast race cars where the writing on the little 1/24 bumper stickers are actually legible. It would allow the company to literally print right onto the cheek, all the details dictated by gino's master pattern paint ops. Every single helmet would effectively be identical in that respect.

I don't know the cost of that process, but it is one possible way to do it.

 

[demorathis]

those newer Hot toys figs paint ops.....out of this world at least on the prototypes I haven't seen the production figs however.

I said when this helmet was first announced that one method of replicating the weathering on the Legend was via Tampo Printed Graphics. This method is used on die cast race cars where the writing on the little 1/24 bumper stickers are actually legible. It would allow the company to literally print right onto the cheek, all the details dictated by gino's master pattern paint ops. Every single helmet would effectively be identical in that respect.

I don't know the cost of that process, but it is one possible way to do it.

I thought about that, but youd still see the lithograph patterns, I think a template orsimple precise masks would help approximate borders, but we'll see

Oh hot toys figures still excellent one of the few companies whose product usually matches if not surpasses the prototype...not always, but usually

 

[ArtisanProps]

those newer Hot toys figs paint ops.....out of this world at least on the prototypes I haven't seen the production figs however.

I said when this helmet was first announced that one method of replicating the weathering on the Legend was via Tampo Printed Graphics. This method is used on die cast race cars where the writing on the little 1/24 bumper stickers are actually legible. It would allow the company to literally print right onto the cheek, all the details dictated by gino's master pattern paint ops. Every single helmet would effectively be identical in that respect.

I don't know the cost of that process, but it is one possible way to do it.

I know this is somewhat off topic, but I think with bryan looking in on these
discussions, there is a very good likelyhood that he realizes the paint job is
actually very key to the look of their product.. I have no doubt he'll do everything
in his power to make sure this helmet rocks..

 

[demorathis]

I.ve actually suggested o bryan that a template or masking m might help if they did indeed handpaint, but it was at comic con and a long time ago,b but i'm sure they...ll do something to ensure the accuracy. Of the weathering to the m master

 

[vaderdarth]

they'd do pretty good with an assembly line approach too. One guys paints this smudge and passes it on...........next

I don't know the answer, but whatever they did worked for the Xwing.

 

[demorathis]

gino, a staunch supporter in your camp made mention earlier that both the Legend and Limited will be pulled from the same mould. That snippet was removed right after it was posted.

Is this true or did the guy just not know what he was saying?

I was under the impression that the Legend will have more goobers on it not just paint ops but other artifacts.

What's the official story?

Dave

I believe what Gino said in a post was that the difference is that the folks working on the Legend were gonna be trained to NOT cleanup the product (as they are normally trained to do)...but to do only VERY MINIMAL cleanup -- meaning ideally limited to anomalies NOT found on the master cast oddities that definitely do not belong ... that they have identified as many marks rough patches and boogers etc that belong to the helmet as humanly possible and do only cleanup that is necessary for mass production (he mentioned it's like pulling teeth because their modus operandi is to CLEAN CLEAN CLEAN) - that's why it is more expensive to do -- takes more time and effort to selectively clean vs clean overall which is what is happening with the Limited -- not to mention hand painting (which I have every confidence in now that I recall all those wonderful -and valuable - high end collectibles made in china in the last few years)

the Limited, also from the same mold BUT will be cleaned up -- holes filled, patches smoothed, etc --as the ideal "durasteel" helmet would not have pock marks and bubbles and would be painted with the less obvious spray as we all know --that's what the Limited will represent, the ideal Vader Helm as most folks (outside of our community) are not expecting a "prop" quality prop but a high end replica of Vader the character's helmet as they'd imagine it to be in real life ...

which leads me to this:

That'd be so cool if there were a "metal" "durasteel" Version of Vader's reveal Helmet with all the trimmings and electronics etc -- that is like an FX Version...as if it were real!! SUPER expensive I'd think -- I think it'll just be a matter of time til folks will be ready for THAT =D

 

[demorathis]

they'd do pretty good with an assembly line approach too. One guys paints this smudge and passes it on...........next

I don't know the answer, but whatever they did worked for the Xwing.

Right...I think that's a possibility so each dude or chick has their speciality in the line...we do know the qc will be pretty strict - so I'm happy about that...

 

[vaderdarth]

I know the differences between the Limited and Legend, based on what gino wrote. One is cleaner looking and sprayed. The other is uglier and hand painted. I'm up with all that.

My question specifically was, will the factory be pulling the limited and the legend helmet raw castings from the same mould or two different moulds (one for each version)?

The implication from the original poster of that snippet was that both will come from the same eFX mould and simply be painted differently.

Just looking from clarification from gino or Bryan. Obviously it will be more consistent from helmet to helmet if both versions come from one mould which already involves the majority of the cleanup, and only the paint ops will make the difference.

Just curious if the actual raw castings will be different between the two versions.

 

[encased]

I'm pretty sure there was a cast made up for the LEGEND that had something like red sharpie indicating all the spots that are to be left untouched. That's what I would do. Then photograph it and print out a set for each person handling a helmet so it's always right in front of them.