Vader cheek mark (c-scar)

[JediCarl]

Videos :: TMCScar.mp4 video by starwarscollector - Photobucket

Note: the video is of a copy, not the master. All it shows is that the scar can be less noticeable at different angles/lighting.

There is still no photographic evidence of the C-scar being a dimensional part of any of the original molds.

 

[Juansith]

Even being a member there, i dont have authorization to some threads.
I couldnt find the vid.
Is it possible to post it here?.

 

[JediCarl]

Even being a member there, i dont have authorization to some threads.
I couldnt find the vid.
Is it possible to post it here?.

I just did, above your post.

 

[voice in the crowd]

From the UK lineage;
The VP

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The US lineage/ the Rick Baker mold.

The SL

Nope.
Now here we are getting into even more uncertain territory with the small pictures,
but the light seems to be hitting that cheek fairly well and I dont see the scar. But that is on the original SL helmet.

I think I can see it in this picture of a casting from it. (pictured below)

One small fact about the VP is on the cheek apart from the obvious sanding marks there is a full finger or thumb print on the cheek that the C scar would be on. This means nothing apart from the fact that it was clearly worked on - in hand it is as clear as day - I had 3 VPs at one point (including the one pictured) and it was on them all. I think it was from the VP makers original clean up not sure what would cause a fingerprint possibly he used chemical stripper or primered his mask and touched it by accident. If you want to see the finger print you might see it in Anson's pics above if you don't want to see it you won't.

PLEASE DONT SHOOT THE MESSENGER :lol - As for the SL pics posted they are both heavily photoshopped in numerous areas - cheek, widows peak, neck etc

The lower pic was taken by me but was photoshopped and the resolution lowered by SL before I was allowed to post it.

I do have the original photo I took but until SL gives the nod sorry I can't post it.

Cheers Chris

 

[OldKen]

If it is a scratch. It is a scratch in paint only.

Any casts made from the UK OR BAKER molds that have it... It was added to.

I really don't see how anyone could disagree with that?

Now... Idk if it was drybrushed silver paint, or a scratch in the paint... But I do know it wasn't in the original sculpt.

Therefore if it was a paint surface scratch... It would be easy to add to the eFx!

 

[voice in the crowd]

Videos :: TMCScar.mp4 video by starwarscollector - Photobucket

Note: the video is of a copy, not the master. All it shows is that the scar can be less noticeable at different angles/lighting.

That is a pretty good video and pretty amazing showing different angles and light hitting the C scar.

Looks faked though.
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Kidding

 

[OldKen]

A video of a casting that has been artistically altered doesn't change anything...

Give us a vid of the original unaltered casting... THEN we will have something new to talk about.

 

[Qui-Gonzalez]

Now look here!

Seriously, it is a good video of showing how the scar can be hidden by darkness. I'd like to see that done with a paint smudge. That said, it still does not show us the mid-ground work on the TM.

And I so want a VP! LOL

 

[StarWars Collector]

Now look here!

Seriously, it is a good video of showing how the scar can be hidden by darkness.

The right cheek (Vader's right) is in full daylight. The light source is on the left.

A video of a casting that has been artistically altered doesn't change anything....

Doesn't make any difference. The principle is still the same and the outcome would be the same over and over again.

Just because it doesn't show in the picture doesn't automatically mean it isn't there. Only a painted detail will show up in almost any picture and under almost any angle.

So, in regards to the c-scar and the line on the nose the picture below proves or disproves nothing. Period.

 

[KaanE]

Would be possible by any of the TM owners to take a pic like this one? I ask because C-Scar is mostly in the shadows and it still can be seen, so please, if you can, post it.

 

[demorathis]

The c-scar can be seen here becuase of reflected light.
The KEY light from the left should create a SHADOW right next to the c-scar if it were indeed an impression...it is also practically the exact shade of the painted weathering right on the edges of the cheek...

if it is indeed an edge of an indentation, the edge should catch light as powerfully as all edges facing the wall to the right -- the inner edge of the mouth, the outer edge of the right side of the mouth, the outer right edge of the nose --

Silver is a color that depends on light to show or appear almost black without the correct reflected light...

Take Boba Fett for example -- all silver details either appear darker or lighter than other colors depending on the light source -- more extensively Chrome, like silver will "disappear" or appear black without the proper reflection of light...

Silver does not always show up --- just like Vader's "eyelids" don't always appear in anh helmets because there's not always a lightsource to highlight the gunmetal...

Would be possible by any of the TM owners to take a pic like this one? I ask because C-Scar is mostly in the shadows and it still can be seen, so please, if you can, post it.

 

[KaanE]

The c-scar can be seen here becuase of reflected light.
The KEY light from the left should create a SHADOW right next to the c-scar if it were indeed an impression...

Silver is a color that depends on light to show or appear almost black without the correct reflected light...

Take Boba Fett for example -- all silver details either appear darker or lighter than other colors depending on the light source -- more extensively Chrome, like silver will "disappear" or appear black without the proper reflection of light...

Silver does not always show up --- just like Vader's "eyelids" don't always appear in anh helmets because there's not always a lightsource to highlight the gunmetal...

Exactly, which proves my theory because if the C of the pic was a paint chip like the one from the TM, if I wanted to see what's seen on the pic with a paint chip/scar like the one from the TM, the light should come from the oposite side.

That's why I asked the TM owners if they could do a pic like this one. I think they can't. Anyway it's my last post in this thread until someone posts the pic I requested or new pics/info abot the TM original at the Jesper work time are shown.

 

[demorathis]

Exactly, which proves my theory because if the C of the pic was a paint chip like the one from the TM, if I wanted to see what's seen on the pic with a paint chip/scar like the one from the TM, the light should come from the oposite side.

That's why I asked the TM owners if they could do a pic like this one. I think they can't. Anyway it's my last post in this thread until someone posts the pic I requested or new pics/info abot the TM original at the Jesper work time are shown.

Right -- and in the meantime, it's the exact shade of all the other painted / weathered details on the same cheek -- I would like to see the source of the helmets myself -- the UK mold if the owner of this elusive mold can snap a pic...

 

[vaderdarth]

That is precisely why I asked gino to prove to us that it's a painted detail simply by making the same movie with the eFX helmet with the light shining from an angle from vader's left side. It should be identical to that TM right? Waiting patiently.

By the way KaanE, the light source in that helmet on the desk is above and directly behind the camera.........that cheek is a lot of things, but it is in NO way "mostly in shadow". Your logic is flawed if that is your assumption.

 

[Qui-Gonzalez]

Um, he did prove it by showing the inside of the Baker mold. Do you see anything even remotely resembling that huge chunk on the inside of that mold? All of the other dings show up, but...no c-scar. What more proof can the guy give?

 

[vaderdarth]

I have a request (again), gino can you please (pretty please with sugar on top) tell me whether the "production sample" of the eFX was painted by the factory or was that your paintjob? Just curious what sort of quality we can expect out of China on this pretty lid. I will not be using your answer as some future debate. It is for my own curiosity. I am still deciding which eFX to obtain.

Uh, Qui, if you're addressing me, I am not inquiring about the eFX mould whatsoever in that suggestion, I'm asking for proof that a fixed light source, on the face of the eFX from the right side, and photos of the helmet at different angles capturing the c scar cheek in each shot. That photo shoot should match any screen stills perfectly.................if..................it's only a flat non dimensional paint op.

If it can't be matched then something's fishy with the logic.

 

[Zombie Killer]

How long does it take you guys to photoshop some pic of this illusive c scar? Come on post them up.

 

[OldKen]

I have a request (again), gino can you please (pretty please with sugar on top) tell me whether the "production sample" of the eFX was painted by the factory or was that your paintjob? Just curious what sort of quality we can expect out of China on this pretty lid. I will not be using your answer as some future debate. It is for my own curiosity. I am still deciding which eFX to obtain.

what kind of decision are you trying to make? If you should build a time machine and go back to before they sold out?

Or which one you wanna pay 2X more for when they hit the bay?

And Gino making a video will prove nothing... No one is arguing that there isn't a scratch on that casting. Were debating how that scratch on THAT casting got there. Myself, I belive someone fixed the tusks added the scratch then molded it. A casting of that is what w. Are seeing in that vid. IMHO.

 

[Qui-Gonzalez]

Dave, I was addressing you. Not one person has ponied up the evidence like Gino has. I will be the first to readily admit how unlike him that is, but there it is none the less. Really, it is an unprecendented piece of evidence without all of the caveats some Vader makers have put forth. It was an "Okay, I am allowed to show this."

The TM evidence...well, there is still that build-up photo we are all waiting on. We have seen a clean up shot of the grill, so...where is the c-scar?

 

[AJK001]

Why are people eve asking about something they didn't buy and can't buy anymore even if they wanted too?