Vader cheek mark (c-scar)

[defstartrooper]

If we can come to consensus that it was not on the original TM casting, then there is nothing tangible to believe that it existed on the screen used helmet.
The only thing left would be what people see in screen caps, but nothing based in tangible in-hand reality.


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Another case where the rules don't apply to you, remember you're bold undeniable statement that the ANH hero trooper helmets are green ?
The proof there that is presented by you is from screenshots nothing more, there is no tangible in hand solid proof of it as none are known to still exist.
And for the people who need everything spelled out i'm not saying they aren't green i'm simply saying as GINO is here that without physical evidence you can't be 100 % sure.

This what's annoying about you GINO you always and i mean always state everything as unquestionable fact even when there's no actual way of truly proving it and you contradict yourself in every single thread where you bash other peoples stuff SW related.

 

[teecrooz]

I'm still looking at these two pictures trying to figure out how or if they are supposed to be the same. Similarities are there, but also quite a few differences. Both have been presented as actual pictures of the scar.

I added an inverted picture for those who like that.

 

[JediCarl]

 

[Qui-Gonzalez]

So what...are we bashing Gino for showing the proof he has now or are we talking about the c-scar still?

 

[defstartrooper]

And dont forget it was some of you that came questioning about the C scar and the dome flaring and the divot on the eFX.
Gino has given proof and answers on almost everything youve asked.
You returned the favor with assumtions and opinions about Gino.

And dont you forget, this all started because of some members trying to put their helmets on top of the eFX, this still is a matter of egos.

I dont think this is a matter of knowing the truth, i bet some of you have more pics of the TM and evidence and youre just not showing it, if this is about knowing the truth and you have it i would have no doubts that that person would have shown evidence by now.

... Unless the truth is something you wouldnt want people to find out.

You're right and everyone has accepted his answer why he painted the mark on, what they're questioning is his accusation that no scar ever existed.
And the accusation that well established and never anything but honest people have decieved buyers by adding details to create false authenticity.

So what we have is one side asking why GINO painted the mark on which is a fair question isn't it ?

And the other side is GINO calling people liars and deceivers.

 

[KaanE]

Not the same thing. The one at the bottom is smaller.

 

[OldKen]

This SERIOUSLY is sad guys. You really are just comming off childish. I can't even believe some of the things I'm reading...

The pic was not photoshopped.

There is no resin or goop or paint or shadows.

So at some point there was no scratch...

How in the name of all that's holy can you possibly think it wasn't added????

Unless it was divine intervention and God himself put it back when Jesper was asleep... Someone ADDED IT.

No agenda propaganda or bs required!

It's a very clear picture. Figuratively AND literally!

How many Noobies have you swayed to your line of thinking. And how many can see what Gino is saying? Look through both threads... You are only making yourselves look like angry bitter rivals. In no way have you persuaded anyone that the eFx is a inferior casting.

Hell before any of you said anything I TOTALLY 100% woulda just assumed the TM and SL would be way more accurate than ANYTHING ANY licensed company would or could EVER offer...

After all this... I would rather have an eFX. 1. it has the liscense and limited # and to an average collector that means a lot. it will only be worth MORE down the road. Just like the MR ROTS abomination... Sell for more now than new!

And now all these pics that show the SL AND TM were both cleaned up and added too what was or wasn't there...

Either show us somethin to disprove Ginos statements or drop it. It's just going around in circles.

 

[JediCarl]

Bury all of the past shenanigans between Gino and the rest of the Vader diehards...

Here's the biggest difference right now: Gino is the only one posting convincing photographic evidence to support his findings and is also the only one who is working on ANH Vader helmets from the original RB mold on an official capacity for eFX/Lucasfilm. That's good enough for me. The rest (so far) is just an endless loop of white noise.

 

[AJK001]

Bury all of the past shenanigans between Gino and the rest of the Vader diehards...

Here's the biggest difference right now: Gino is the only one posting convincing photographic evidence to support his findings and is also the only one who is working on ANH Vader helmets from the original RB mold on an official capacity for eFX/Lucasfilm.

:thumbsup +1

 

[defstartrooper]

In no way have you persuaded anyone that the eFx is a inferior casting.

I don't think anyone is trying to Ken though i'm sure some do see it that way.

Me i'm simply concerned with people being accused of being deceptive and adding false details to their masks with no evidence.

 

[vaderdarth]

gino isn't bashed, his delivery is. He makes a broad brush stroke statement that only his helmet is accurate and his evidence the screen helmet was flat and flaw free (which very few people actually agree with by the way), he further states that all other helmets were tampered with and any remnants of the C-scar were added.

That is the definition of propaganda isn't it?

 

[KaanE]

Me i'm simply concerned with people being accused of being deceptive and adding false details to their masks with no evidence.

I don't see it that way. Evidence has been posted of the Original TM faceplate without it, and then, like popcorn exploding, POP!, it's in the casts.

 

[AJK001]

But what about everything all of you are saying about Gino? Isn't that just about hard feelings and egos?

If it had been anyone else but him involved with eFX, none of this would be happening.

 

[defstartrooper]

Bury all of the past shenanigans between Gino and the rest of the Vader diehards...

Here's the biggest difference right now: Gino is the only one posting convincing photographic evidence to support his findings and is also the only one who is working on ANH Vader helmets from the original RB mold on an official capacity for eFX/Lucasfilm. That's good enough for me. The rest (so far) is just an endless loop of white noise.

That would be foolish to ignore the past shenanigans as you call it between GINO and others.
Besides it's not past it's present, he is at this moment in time accusing Vadermania or Jesper of adding details to the TM to add false authenticity.
This isn't past it's present.

Forget about your personal helmet you've ordered for a moment and think about these people who he is accusing of deception.

 

[JediCarl]

I don't see it that way. Evidence has been posted of the Original faceplate without it, and then, like popcorn exploding, POP!, it's in the casts.

 

[defstartrooper]

I don't see it that way. Evidence has been posted of the Original faceplate without it, and then, like popcorn exploding, POP!, it's in the casts.

What evidence ? by original faceplate i'm assuming you mean the original TM faceplate ?
What is this evidence exactly ? a photo of a partially stripped back helmet, this cannot be disputed even by GINO as he points out himself there's resin on the eyebrow, so at best this is a photo of a partially stripped helmet at what stage he cannot say.

 

[GINO]

Besides it's not past it's present, he is at this moment in time accusing Vadermania or Jesper of adding details to the TM to add false authenticity.

That is not true.
I've said multiple times that I do not believe the details were added/removed in a deceptive way.
I think it was done in a sincere effort to make the casting more accurate based on what they thought at the time the work was done.


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[KaanE]

Yes, the TM faceplate, I'm sorry to not have said it before. Well, you say it's partially striped, vadermania says it was fully striped of paint, primer and bondo, just something like a resin was not removed. You can see clearly that what he calls resin are the black spots at the eyebrow and a few other zones, but clearly it's not on the cheek.

If you want to believe that a big "scar" was hiden under black resin not shown at that cheek, good for you.

 

[vaderdarth]

So Jesper accidentally yet mistakenly removed things he shouldn't have...............and after he was finished looked at the screen still and said, well I'll be damned. How about that. I agree with you gino, only the guidebook he used for the work was the crap he was picking off the helmet and not a photograph.

The fact that it matches the screen helmet perfectly is a huge mistake...........one he's probably very proud of!!!!! LOL.

 

[Clutch]

Could we dispense with the funny gif's and jpg's? It was funny the first 10 times. Someone must have saved that restoration thread on the Den. The one where Jesper was pretending to be Indiana Jones or something. However, I don't recall any mention of the cheek mark.