Vader cheek mark (c-scar)

[vaderdarth]

I'm satisfied from Vadermania's description that the C-scar was not added, it was uncovered. I don't believe anyone would allow JRX to "add" anything not authorized to this fantastic specimen. If VM said it didn't happen, there's nothing more to say about it.

I have also heard that the owner of another UK casting has the same scar and his helmet hasn't ever had any painting/repairs done to it. Hopefully we can all see it one day.

Excellent info VM.

 

[GINO]

I'm satisfied from Vadermania's description that the C-scar was not added, it was uncovered. I don't believe anyone would allow JRX to "add" anything not authorized to this fantastic specimen.

Clearly you can see on the original TM (non photoshopped image), that the c-scar and nose bridge paint line details are not there.
Clearly, those details are not covered up by the same black resin you see on the brow.
These details only show up on the subsequent castings. Why? Because JRX added them in.

Clearly you can see on the original TM (non photoshopped image), that there are worms in the cheek area (which is correct for a ESB style UK mold casting).
They are only removed in the subsequent castings. Why? Because JRX removed them.

Those are just a couple out of the several aspects that JRX did during the clean-up of this facemask.


Why did JRX do this? I can only assume that he was trying to make the helmet more accurate to ANH based on what HE believed was correct and based on what HE believed should be there.
I don't think he was trying to be deceptive.


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[vaderdarth]

Again, I'm totally satisfied with what VM just posted. Our job isn't to change your opinion gino, we are here for the education. You will take from all this what you will. The TM belongs to VM, if he says paint and bondo and resin obscured a C scar, and was subsequently uncovered, we have to take his word for it.......I mean he's the closest person to this helmet period. That makes him the TM expert in my book. Kinda like you are the eFX expert. Both of you experts......not because of special powers but because you were there

 

[GINO]

This comes off to me very much like it's more about you not wanting to admit you were wrong as opposed to having a genuine interest in finding the truth.


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[vaderdarth]

See there you go again, trying to discern my intent rather than just taking my statement as my personal view. Live and let live dude. Peace,

Dave

 

[KaanE]

...he says paint and bondo and resin obscured a C scar, and was subsequently uncovered...

Where have you read that? That's what he said:

This image shows the ORIGINAL TM faceplate after the paint, primer and reddish bondo has been removed by me via acetone. This image is NOT photoshopped.

He says the pic posted by GINO at post #133 is NOT photoshoped, and all the Bondo/Paint/Primmer HAD BEEN REMOVED. You guys keep believing what you want to believe.

 

[vaderdarth]

I read the entire post 3 times KaanE. Thanks though.

 

[Qui-Gonzalez]

The TM belongs to VM, if he says paint and bondo and resin obscured a C scar, and was subsequently uncovered, we have to take his word for it.......I mean he's the closest person to this helmet period. That makes him the TM expert in my book. Kinda like you are the eFX expert. Both of you experts......not because of special powers but because you were there

Dave, what he said was

JRX/Jesper worked on the ORIGINAL faceplate. After I have sent the original faceplate to Jesper (with the intention only to restore the broken tusks), he found out, after further examination, that the black resin (which in fact was applied very sloppily on the faceplate) could carefully be scratched away with a fingernail or a toothpick. The black resin was found on many areas of the faceplate, most notably on the eyebrows and in the eyebrow sockets, the nosebridge, the mouth area, Vaders right cheek and the area around the left tearduct. It took Jesper literally ages to remove this material, revealing the detail underneath.

So, he did not find it, but is taking Jesper at his word that he did find it. I find it odd that a resin could not be removed with acetone, but a few fingernail scrapings could remove it. The ONLY one who knows what work was done to this faceplate is Jesper...and last I heard, he ain't talkin'.

I know I said I was out, but I did want to make sure you had read correctly what vadermania had posted.

 

[GINO]

To me, this cuts to the very core of why Vader threads are so toxic and why they go on forever without any consensus.
Whenever there is a group that refuses to come to consensus even in the face of overwhelming evidence, it is not only bad for the collective vader enthusiasts, but for the hobby at large as well.
When this happens, progress cannot move forward because of those who let their pride stand in the way of collective advancement.
When it becomes more about being 'right' or saving face than getting at the truth.
This is why we fight.


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[Too Much Garlic]

It also uncovered grooves along the inside of the eye sockets. Why would anyone add these details when no one believed the original looked like that, based on ALL the poor reference we had back then. It simply does NOT make sense.

And we fight because we are all thick-headed dick-heads who believe our own versions of what we perceive as the truth and are hard pressed to accept alternatives. You are as guilty as the rest of us in that regard, Gino.

 

[vaderdarth]

I've dealt with Jesper a couple times. Never found him dishonest. I've no reason to doubt his word Qui. Anyone's interpretation of anything different is simply their opinion unless Jesper can back them up. Again, I don't mean to discuss it further, if I gave that impression, I simply stated with all information I have been given, I'm satisfied.

Besides it was gino on many occasions that said "it is not humanly possible to fudge screen accurate details" when referring to stormtroopers and also Vader. I shall take gino at his word. He's a wise wise dude.

 

[Too Much Garlic]

One things for sure... it will be interesting when and if more UK lineage casts show up.

 

[Qui-Gonzalez]

And we fight because we are all thick-headed dick-heads who believe our own versions of what we perceive as the truth and are hard pressed to accept alternatives. You are as guilty as the rest of us in that regard, Gino.

Yup, this applies to everyone, so I had to quote it for emphasis.

 

[GINO]

And we fight because we are all thick-headed dick-heads who believe our own versions of what we perceive as the truth and are hard pressed to accept alternatives. You are as guilty as the rest of us in that regard, Gino.

No doubt.
That's why I have the most respect for those I've encountered who are willing to admit they were wrong about something and change their view.
Because to me, that shows that they are more interested in the truth above all else.
I may have a big ego, but I genuinely care more about the truth than being 'right'.
And trust me, those close to me always give me a hard time and are somehow always shocked when I admit I was wrong about something, but that's no biggie. It's kind of funny actually.


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[vaderdarth]

And that TMG, will be the one thing that might change my opinion. Until then I'm just gonna hang out and observe. Grill some burgers, sip a cool drink....just enjoy life. I truly wish I had gotten the TM, the SL and now the eFX. I didn't and now there is a big void. Peace my friends.

Dave

 

[Qui-Gonzalez]

One things for sure... it will be interesting when and if more UK lineage casts show up.

Until then, all we have is the Baker mold. I'm good with that. LOL

 

[vaderdarth]

hear hear!!!!!

 

[lambotour]

Also you can see that JRX removed the worms on the cheek (which is correct for ANH but necessary for ESB).

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gino showed off his "one off, cast from untainted original mold" and tried to pass it off as coming from an original ANH mold.

His ANH original faceplate has the worms, which he now says shouldn't be on ANH. When are you guys going to realize he's making stuff up as he goes along. All that wasteless arguing with him back in the day, trying to pass off a VP faceplate as being an original ANH faceplate. And now, about 3 years later you should realize he went by what he thought he knew. It's no different now. I was the one stated that the worms are on the screenused ESB hero and Stunt helmets. gino now states it like he's trying to educate you.

Also you can see that JRX removed the worms on the cheek (which is correct for ANH but necessary for ESB).

A picture of gino's ESB faceplate on his display. Also "cast from original untainted molds." Anyone see any worms in the cheekline which he now states is necessary for ESB? You guys really need to realize when it comes to vader, that there is more than one person who knows what they are talking about and stop following blindly someone who clearly just makes things up as he goes along based on nothing more than wild accusations and uninformed assumptions.

I know some of you will say this has nothing to do with the C scar, but it does. This show gino is wrong about his own pieces. If he makes claims about his own pieces that are now being shown as pure nonsense, then what does it say about what he is saying now. The devil is in the details.

 

[KaanE]

So... where is the C-Scar in your post? You look to be posting against Gino instead.

 

[GINO]

How is this issue about my personal helmets?
That's what you have to resort to? Trying to attack my credibility?
Really?

For the record, I never said my helmet came from an original ANH mold.
It's a UK mold derivative just like the TM, TD, and VP. I'm not allowed to discuss the specifics of my helmet's origins (although I very much would like to).
And those are old helmets anyway.


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