Vader cheek mark (c-scar)

[GINO]

No, how could you claim this? I said: this is a poorely photoshopped picture where the Scar and other details are erased . Nothing more.

See above. Vadermania is confirming that it is not photoshopped.


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[Darth Niob]

I don't know if you didn't read the post above, but vadermania (the owner of the original TM) just said the pic is NOT photoshopped.



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Thats why i deleted this. Sorry for misleading. I thought it was a photoshopped pic but wasnt able to reach JRX for clearing this.

All other things i said in my last post are still counting.

 

[GINO]

I does not appear that the owners of the TM castings were aware of the modifications made by JRX.
I don't blame them for defending their casting especially if they received it as is without knowing that he added them. I would have done the same.


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[defstartrooper]

I don't know if you didn't read the post above, but vadermania (the owner of the original TM) just said the pic is NOT photoshopped.



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Yeah and he also said areas had some bondo or resin filler and some areas aren't completely sanded/stripped.
Still at least you're starting to backtrack now and using phrases such as "I think" rather than making statements of fact like you usually do with zero evidence to back it up.

 

[defstartrooper]

I does not appear that the owners of the TM castings were aware of the modifications made by JRX.
I don't blame them for defending their casting especially if they received it as is without knowing that he added them. I would have done the same.


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Which modifications would they be ? the ones you've made up again ?
Vadermania said the pic you posted of the supposedly completely stripped and sanded faceplate isn't infact fully stripped and nowhere did he say any modifications were made other than identifiers against recasting which we all know wouldn't be some glaring scab on vaders cheek.

 

[Trap Joe]

Vadermania, it appears the answer to this debacle is the following.

It appears that during the restoration process of your original TM, that JRX in his effort to make your casting more accurate, added in some details that he believed were missing.
That is why we see things like the c-scar and paint separation line on the nose on the TM castings, and not on the original stripped down version.

I don't believe that he did this to be sneaky or lie about it, I think he as more likely just trying to fix or improve what he thought should be there.


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forget it Gino. I´ve seen what he and I did, okay. Believe it and shut up. The C-scar wasn´t sculpted in. It has already been in the casting.


This demagogic phrases of you, Gino, are getting worse all times.




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[GINO]

Yeah and he also said areas had some bondo or resin filler and some areas aren't completely sanded/stripped.

That is the original surface on the cheek and nose bridge.

You can see what the black resin looks like because you can see remnants of it on the eyebrow.


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[GINO]

Which modifications would they be ? the ones you've made up again ?
Vadermania said the pic you posted of the supposedly completely stripped and sanded faceplate isn't infact fully stripped and nowhere did he say any modifications were made other than identifiers against recasting which we all know wouldn't be some glaring scab on vaders cheek.

Two of those details that I see straight away (which were added by JRX) is the c-scar, and the paint separation line on the nose bridge.

What you are seeing in that image is the actual surface of the casting, not the black resin on top of it.
See the black resin on the brow.


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[Qui-Gonzalez]

Thanks for posting, Vadermania. It's good to see we can open the doors back up on some Vader "learnin'" again and try and maintain civility about it.

Jorg, I have always said that if that pic with the gunk still on the eyebrow was photoshopped, whoever did that is a photoshop wizard and needs to be working in film. It's good to hear the truth that it was NOT a photoshopped image.

Now, can we chill with the TM talk and get back to the topic of topical c-scar versus dimensional? So far, and I may be mistaken, but the only unaltered proof we have is a close up shot of the inside of the Baker mold. Everything else about that mold lines up with screen shots, in as far as dings are concerned.

 

[Zombie Killer]

So we have Trap that says the pics photoshopped and Vadermania says it's not. Too funny.

 

[GINO]

The only reason we are including the TM in the discussion at all is because it was the key article that people were using to justify a dimensional c-scar. Definitely not to bash it.
I've no intentions of bashing the TM as it is still an awesome piece so if it ever came off that way I truly am sorry.

Proving that the c-scar was added to the TM only further strengthens that there was never a dimensional c-scar on any helmet.
I can tell you right now that it most certainly is not on the original SL.

So it's not on the original TM, not on the original SL, not in the baker mold (that created the SL).
What's left?



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[Trap Joe]

Thanks for posting, Vadermania. It's good to see we can open the doors back up on some Vader "learnin'" again and try and maintain civility about it.

Jorg, I have always said that if that pic with the gunk still on the eyebrow was photoshopped, whoever did that is a photoshop wizard and needs to be working in film. It's good to hear the truth that it was NOT a photoshopped image.

Now, can we chill with the TM talk and get back to the topic of topical c-scar versus dimensional? So far, and I may be mistaken, but the only unaltered proof we have is a close up shot of the inside of the Baker mold. Everything else about that mold lines up with screen shots, in as far as dings are concerned.

I´m happy as well that Vadermania cleared this. Fact is that the C-scar was there and I wondered why it wasn´t in this picture.
Good to know the correct explaination from Vadermania.
It was a fun project with nearly no time and 3 people involved -inclueding myself. I´m happy that these photos inclueding additional story details of our TM project finally show up.

 

[GINO]

So Trap Joe,
I know I'll never get an apology from you, but at the very least is it safe to say we're are on the same page now?


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[defstartrooper]

The only reason we are including the TM in the discussion at all is because it was the key article that people were using to justify a dimensional c-scar. Definitely not to bash it.

Proving that the c-scar was added to the TM only further strengthens that there was never a dimensional c-scar on any helmet.
I can tell you right now that it most certainly is not on the original SL.

I've no intentions of bashing the TM as it is still an awesome piece so if it ever came off that way I truly am sorry.


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Ah back to your fantasy facts again, just because you state something as fact doesn't make it so you do realise this ?
You haven't see either the original TM fully stripped back or the original SL or the screen used helmet or the UK mould these are facts, and yet somehow you're a complete and unquestionable authority on all 3 helmets and mould and know what details are on each.

 

[Trap Joe]

So Trap Joe,
I know I'll never get an apology from you, but at the very least is it safe to say we're are on the same page now?


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in terms of the photoshop claim we are, as I stated in my post above. Still the C-sar area looks a lot like photoshop work to me.

We are not in the same boot above matter that we have sculpted the C-scar or something like that.
It has been there underneath.

 

[GINO]

You haven't see either the original TM fully stripped back

With the exception of the black resin still on the eyebrow, that photo shows the fully stripped original TM facemask.

or the original SL

I have seen pics of it.
I'm sure if Sithlord posted close up pics of the cheek on the original SL you would see there is nothing there. It came from the baker mold you realize?

or the screen used helmet or the UK mould

No one has, but based on all that I've seen, it's pretty clear.
All the physical in-hand evidence to the contrary has been proven otherwise.


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[GINO]

in terms of the photoshop claim we are, as I stated in my post above. Still the C-sar area looks a lot like photoshop work to me.

So you are saying vadermania is incorrect or lying?
I seems to me that he is being completely honest.

We are not in the same boot above matter that we have sculpted the C-scar or something like that.
It has been there underneath.

No chance that what you are seeing in that pic is the black resin covering the cheek or the nose bridge.



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[AJK001]

Different thread, same people with the same baggage.

 

[Qui-Gonzalez]

Different thread, same people with the same baggage.

You are correct. I'm tapping out til we see some new evidence. I'd like to see something unaltered from the UK mold. No mods done, just a stripping. I wonder if such a creature even exists at this point.

 

[voice in the crowd]

Hi Tom (vadermania),

Thanks for the explanation of the TM pics posted, and thanks for clarifying the stage at which the clean up was at when the pics where taken.

I know it may be a big ask but do you have any pics of the progress of removing the black resin bondo. I think any progress pics from that time period would go a long way to clearing up anything to do with adding details to the mask.

It is nice to see you back on the forum Tom

@ Gino your apology in this thread and your responses have been nothing but civil to Vadermania which is very admirable indeed.

Possibly if everyone in thread could follow that example we might get a really good Vader thread on the go - that's why we are here right? :love

Bickering and fighting won't get any of us anywhere - you saw what happened to the EFX thread.

@ Qui I believe there may be a few unaltered casts of the UK mould kicking about. I know of one but without seeing it in hand I cannot say for sure if it is unaltered. Unfortunately it is not in the hands of a fan.

I also know that there is a direct copy of it in a private collectors hands but again not one of the caring sharing people :lol

And running on with the saga I also know of a cast that is from the same lineage as the VP but a generation up from the VP casts and with much less clean up, but again without seeing it in hand I also cannot comment to it's condition. That one resides with one of the really good guys of the hobby and hopefully at some point will see the light of day.


Cheers Chris