Re: Star Wars OT UNALTERED Bluray!!!

The person reviewing Cinderella doesn't quite know what they're talking about though - they keep insisting that Disney must have actually painted over areas to affect colors so drastically, and that would indicate a really intentional and destructive process. All of those issues are easily caused by a lazy, heavy handed application of ten-years-old digital color grading software. I'm sure that if the OT is remastered, it will be done by archivists at Lucasfilm (under new management) with state-of-the art tools.

Everything we've seen and heard from LFL since George's departure shows a team who understand the importance and legacy of the properties they're shepherding. Unlike cartoons from the Disney vault, they have several iterations to distinguish a new version from and a long list of customer complaints to address/consider (which those technicians likely share).

A lot of the issues with the Cinderella grabs would be caused by simple grain removal, and the current trend of leaving film grain intact works in our favor. Even if they remove dust and scratches or try to lighten the grain patterns, the software attacks it much more intelligently than it did in 2005.

Call me naive, but something Disney did to one of their cartoons ten years ago doesn't make me nervous about how Lucasfilm will come at a proper OT restoration if they ever get around to it.
 
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It's also worth considering that the OT was last touched up by Lowry Digital (which since changed its name to Reliance Mediaworks), and then handed off to the George-era LFL. It was the George-era LFL that kicked it out the door with all the VERY VISIBLE technical errors, and the George-era LFL that insisted stupid ****** like swapping rear channels for music was "intentional." Put simply, they were really, really lazy about the DVD and blu-ray releases. BUT if you look at Lowry's other work, they do terrific restorations. Take a look at the Bond blu-rays that came out a couple years ago, or North by Northwest on blu-ray. They're gorgeous. I would bet that Lowry/Reliance would end up doing the restorations for the OT if and when it happens (and I want to say I saw info somewhere that they already were working on them?).

So, bottom line, don't get too worried about a restoration, if and when it happens. There are places out there that know how to do it well.
 
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I would bet that Lowry/Reliance would end up doing the restorations for the OT if and when it happens (and I want to say I saw info somewhere that they already were working on them?).

So, bottom line, don't get too worried about a restoration, if and when it happens. There are places out there that know how to do it well.

Yes the restoration is done,...probably for the shelved 3D release......all the old links to the relevent web pages have gone for the RelianceMedia site,....but I've copied one of the staffers CV:


(5-8/2010, 9/2012-12/2012, 5-6/2013)Reliance Media Works/ Lowry Digital:
Restoration, Mapping, Dirt Picking : Little Mermaid - Disney Blu-Ray Release
Restoration, Mapping, Dirt Picking : Star Wars 4K Blu-Ray Release
Restoration, Mapping, Dustbusting/Dirt Picking : Pinocchio
Restoration, Mapping, Dustbusting/Dirt Picking : Snow White

Demo Reel:
[video=vimeo;95919913]https://vimeo.com/95919913[/video]

& some screenshot comparisons with the BD:
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/83700/picture:0
http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/83709/picture:0

Drool

But as I said on one of the other threads on this subject,....at least we can be happy,....although we can't see it,....that the films are preserved at a higher quality

J
 
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Yeah, that does raise the question of which version was restored at 4K: OOT or SEs. And, of course, the question of how it was done. (E.g. did they do the OOT scan first, then add in/fix up the SE stuff, or did they only do the OOT, or what?)
 
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Well the SE scan was done at 2K (or around that) by LFL....back in 95-96 or so.....they added the SE effects for the SE release in 97......LFL gave Lowry the Digital files with the SE Elements to clean up for the 2004 release, this is where the crushed blacks etc came into the mix

Everything we have seen since the 97 SE's has been LFL's scan

J
 
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So, the 4K scan is, presumably, created by Lowry/Reliance itself? That would be good news, (unless, you know, it's just more SE stuff).
 
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Sorry but, what have you been smoking????? :confused

This can't be the same Disney you're talking about. The blu-rays they release are an atrocity:

http://www.broadwayworld.com/board/readmessage.php?thread=1063732&boardid=2

http://www.dvdizzy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=29946

They wouldn't know what restoration is even if it slapped them in the face, with a chair :lol

I just spent an hour reading those threads.
Wow. I had no idea Disney was mucking things up so badly.
I sure hope they use the existing Lowrey/Reliance restoration, and don't start from scratch on their own.
 
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I just spent an hour reading those threads.
Wow. I had no idea Disney was mucking things up so badly.
I sure hope they use the existing Lowrey/Reliance restoration, and don't start from scratch on their own.

I wouldn't really mind it if they were to start over, but at least get talented people and above all, passionate people like for example Mike Verta.

Well the SE scan was done at 2K (or around that) by LFL....back in 95-96 or so.....they added the SE effects for the SE release in 97......LFL gave Lowry the Digital files with the SE Elements to clean up for the 2004 release, this is where the crushed blacks etc came into the mix

Everything we have seen since the 97 SE's has been LFL's scan

J

Scanned in 1993 I believe
 
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Sorry but, what have you been smoking????? :confused

This can't be the same Disney you're talking about. The blu-rays they release are an atrocity:

http://www.broadwayworld.com/board/readmessage.php?thread=1063732&boardid=2

http://www.dvdizzy.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=29946

They wouldn't know what restoration is even if it slapped them in the face, with a chair :lol

http://i.imgur.com/E9yWZ.jpg



Most people also buy any new edition released. Like the new Back to the Future blu-ray release which use the exact same discs made for the 2010 release. Same content, same disc, higher price.


Well... I'm not even going to edit my old post. I stand corrected. I had no idea that's what they did. I did clearly state that I didn't watch the old Cinderella many times to be able to notice these things, but now I see it.

Sorry, everyone. I guess it was pure perception based on how clean it looked, but now see how destructive it really is in what they did to the film. I'm now shocked and withdraw my post a page back or so.

Wow.... Well I'm go back to being worried, now. HAHH!
 
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Hmmm . . . . .

I have two thoughts here:


#1 - No corporate-produced reissue of the SWOT will ever do it justice. A job done by skilled fans will beat it. IMO we should just accept this fact now and we'll be less frustrated in the long run.

ANH is a 40yo old movie that was originally shot on a bad film stock. It's got literally hundreds of old optical FX shots. It needs an above-&-beyond effort just to fix it acceptably, never mind well. Pro film restorers still get paid by the hour and their corporate bean counters are not SW fans.



#2 - The existing Blu-Ray release of the SWOT is junk. An unbaised observer would have deemed that resto job unacceptable for an episode of Family Matters. Hopefully we have nowhere to go but up.
 
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Wow,...now that is old,....technology has came on so much since then

J

Indeed. Even the DVDs could have used a better source.

Well... I'm not even going to edit my old post. I stand corrected. I had no idea that's what they did. I did clearly state that I didn't watch the old Cinderella many times to be able to notice these things, but now I see it.

Sorry, everyone. I guess it was pure perception based on how clean it looked, but now see how destructive it really is in what they did to the film. I'm now shocked and withdraw my post a page back or so.

Wow.... Well I'm go back to being worried, now. HAHH!

lol :lol sorry to shatter your illusion :p
Just because something looks clean doesn't make it good. Just look at Predator, they made it so clean they got rid of all the details and everyone looks like they were made out of wax.
 
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Is Foundation Imaging still around? I love the work they did on the Star Trek: TMP Director's Edition. Ignoring additions of dubious merit, the actual work they did was brilliant, down to matching the color timing and film grain of the original so the altered scenes wouldn't stand out.

--Jonah
 
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still have the old vcr tapes. not digitalised, not altered and no added scenes, love them.

Same here. I treasure my THX box set widscreen VHS tapes. And honestly they do not look all that bad but I would love to see a blu-ray or 4K version of the films.

Laters,
Jeff
 
Disney To Release Original, Unaltered Cut Of Star Wars Trilogy On Blu-ray

http://epicstream.com/news/Disney-To-Release-Original-Unaltered-Cut-Of-Star-Wars-Trilogy-On-Blu-ray


Star Wars fans have been hoping for Disney/Lucasfilm to release the unaltered, original cut of the first Star Wars trilogy, and according to sources from Comicbook.com, that's what they're planning to do. The site reports that Disney is planning to release the original cut of the Star Wars trilogy on Blu-Ray. The goal of the project that has reportedly been under way for a long time is to release A New Hope, Empire Strikes Back, and Return of Jedi in their complete and original form without the redone special edition SFX. The plan was to release the Trilogy on Blu-ray before Star Wars: The Force Awakens comes out on December 18. The sources reported that Disney doesn't have the exact date due to the challenges they encountered. We'll keep you updated as soon as we get details about its release.
 
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Article was posted on March 13th 2015.

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Re: Disney To Release Original, Unaltered Cut Of Star Wars Trilogy On Blu-ray

The friend who sent me the link also said a few minutes ago it is old news. So this can be discarded :(

"EDIT: For some reason this is cycling on social media again. This story was published in August, 2014 and never panned out. Currently, 20th Century Fox still owns the distribution rights to the original cuts of the films, and there may also be contractual obligations from George Lucas's sale of his company that woudl prevent this from happening. That is to say, when this was published, it might not have been nearly as done a deal as sources thought. Sorry!"
 
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You are nothing but a dirty dirty tease.
 
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