TWO Glamdrings!?!?!

JunkSabers1138

JunkSabers1138

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While watching the appendicies disc 1 of LOTR FOTR, I noticed in the design galleries that there are TWO, I repeat, TWO real world versions of Gandalf's sword Glamdring. One is the one we know from the film and the other has a dark brownish purple scabbard and handgrip, a hilt with a longer handle, shorter and different pommel, different leather/wire wrap, and a simpler crossgaurd with no runes on it. I'm not sure about the blade and whether it is leaf shaped or not since there are no pics of it out of its scabbard.

Also, the ROTK appendicies discs show footage of the Aragorn vs. Sauron fight (before he was changed into a troll for the film) and I'm astonished that Sauron used a sword in that fight rather than his signature mace we all know and love (Why didn't the crew let him use it?). This sword can be seen in full in the LOTR: Weapons and Warfare book in the Nazgul section posing as a sword of one of the Ringwraiths.

Does anyone know the story behind these props? Thanks in advance.

Seth
 
I don't know anything about it, but the '2nd' Glamdring COULD be Orcrist, the sister sword of Glamdring that was recovered in The Hobbit when the Dwarven company found the treasure trove. Gandalf claimed Glamdring and Thorin (the Dwarf warrior) claimed Ocrist.
 
If you have the extended version of FOTR, you may also notice this "Mystery Glamdring" on Gandalf's horse in some Hobbiton BTS photos on The Appendicies Disc 1.
 
Don't know about the Glamdrings, but I'm guessing that since Sauron and the Witch King resemble each other anyway, the folks at WETA wanted to give them very different weapons to help viewers keep them separate. Huge honking mace & chain for the Nazgul boss, big ugly sword for his master. I don't usually go for the commentaries, but could there be some background info during the Aragorn/troll fight?

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In the DVD photos, the first sword looks to be simply Gandalf's sword #1, and not Glamdring.

In story, I would say that Gandalf was known to have left Glamdring at Rivendell prior to getting Sam and Frodo

I will see if I can get some proof tonight
 
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Don't know about the Glamdrings, but I'm guessing that since Sauron and the Witch King resemble each other anyway, the folks at WETA wanted to give them very different weapons to help viewers keep them separate. Huge honking mace & chain for the Nazgul boss, big ugly sword for his master. I don't usually go for the commentaries, but could there be some background info during the Aragorn/troll fight?

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The Witch King also carries a sword, but it is different from Sauron's because the WK's sword has a very long, smooth grip (3 1/2 to 4 hands total) with a very long, flatened diamond-shaped blade that has a wasted ricasso and a curved, heavily etched cross gaurd while Sauron's sword has a long grip (2 2/3 hands maybe) with a long, thick, mostly flatened blade that looks disproportioned in width when compared to the grip (think of Boromir's sword, but longer), the blade was multiple fullers (judging from the W&W photo) and little spikey bumps/gaurds along the blades edges (think of Hadhafang), the pommel looks like the head of his mace, and the cross gaurd is straight and smooth, but has little spikes welded to it.

Watching the troll fight and BTS footage again, I now see that both the troll and Sauron carried maces to battle, they just never used them and thus the weapons were either hidden from view by the random soldiers or were just out of frame most of the time.

BTW, do you think the WK learned his fighting style from his master? I mean come on, they both carry a mace and sword to war (in the original cut that included the sauron scene), but the WK uses the mace as his primary weapon and the sword as an off hand weapon [Which is odd since he fights right handed. More likely he just used the mace more as a weapon that instilled terror in his foes while the sword was the weapon he was more skilled in (not saying he wasn't skilled with the mace, just MORE skilled with the sword) and thus wielded it right handed to swiftly kill his enemy just in case the said foe was better than his mace] while Sauron used the sword more than the mace. When using one weapon, they reverse their choices with WK using a sword (seen in the Weathertop scene) and Sauron using the mace (seen in the prolouge).

Just my 2 cents

Seth
 
Okay, to clear things up. I've found out the the "mistery sword" I've been talking about IS with Gandalf when he rides to Orthanc. It's in ONLY ONE SHOT, but it's there. ALSO... this sword is seen in the prolouge as the WITCH-KING'S sword when he ruled his kingdom of men, it's in the shot when the 9 kings recieve their rings. How did Gandalf get HIS sword.?.?.
 
BTW, am I the ONLY one irratated with the extended DVDs because you have to switch discs between a danged good film in a fashion the literally SCREAMS to me about the days when 2 Hr 50 Min and up VHS movies were split in two and put on different tapes. I mean come on, EXTENDED FOTR wasn't even as long as THEATRICAL ROTK, and yet it is put on two DVDS. The ONLY forgiving quality I have for this is for the four commentaries. Since they take up a lot of space, I'll let the "interupted film" off the hook for now. BUT the LE DVDs that I want to get (due to my extended versions having little sound skips from being used before I got them in addition to the split movie) say "Watch both the theatrical and Extended versions on ONE two-sided disc.". I was briefly relieved at this because I thought "Theatrical in full on one side, extended IN FULL on ther other :D.". However, the official site also says "pick your version of choice at the main menu", which comes off to me as not only splitting the extended version AGAIN, but ALSO splitting the theatrical version TOO :angry . This ONE little infraction will discourage me from buying any LOTR DVDs in the near future until they can release the extended version IN FULL. Until then, I'm burning my extended versions onto blank discs in order to get the extended version in full, but I'm still stuck with those irratating little sound skips.

Again, am I the ONLY one who's ticked off at this?

Seth
 
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BUT the LE DVDs that I want to get (due to my extended versions having little sound skips from being used before I got them in addition to the split movie) say "Watch both the theatrical and Extended versions on ONE two-sided disc.". I was briefly relieved at this because I thought "Theatrical in full on one side, extended IN FULL on ther other :D.". However, the official site also says "pick your version of choice at the main menu", which comes off to me as not only splitting the extended version AGAIN, but ALSO splitting the theatrical version TOO :angry . This ONE little infraction will discourage me from buying any LOTR DVDs in the near future until they can release the extended version IN FULL. Until then, I'm burning my extended versions onto blank discs in order to get the extended version in full, but I'm still stuck with those irratating little sound skips. [/b]
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No, it's just 1 disk with the entire movie on it. EE and TE. On the second disk is a new docu, including bloopers and deleted scenes.
 
Have you checked lordoftherings.net? The info sure does sound like "Disc side A: Theatrical version Part 1, Extended version Part 1. Disc side B: Theatrical version Part 2, Extended version Part 2". I sure do hope you're right though, but the disk does have two sides and the pic on the site proves it , but it is one disk like you said.
 
There are two discs for the movie (for the extended versions). It was done in the interest of quality. You could cram it on one disc, but not at the high resolution you get with 2. It's worth it (esp. on HDTVs).
 
I remember someone saying that the brown sword Gandalf had on his horse when he leaves the shire can be seen on one of the walls in bagend. I'm not sure though as I haven't gone back to actually see for myself. I do remember seeing pictures of the sword on Gandalf's horse and it looks different than Glamdring.
 
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Have you checked lordoftherings.net? The info sure does sound like "Disc side A: Theatrical version Part 1, Extended version Part 1. Disc side B: Theatrical version Part 2, Extended version Part 2". I sure do hope you're right though, but the disk does have two sides and the pic on the site proves it , but it is one disk like you said.
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My info comes from Press releases. :)
 
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Have you checked lordoftherings.net? The info sure does sound like "Disc side A: Theatrical version Part 1, Extended version Part 1. Disc side B: Theatrical version Part 2, Extended version Part 2". I sure do hope you're right though, but the disk does have two sides and the pic on the site proves it , but it is one disk like you said.
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My info comes from Press releases. :)
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So you're saying that the info on the official site is a little off? What did your info say?

Seth
 
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Have you checked lordoftherings.net? The info sure does sound like "Disc side A: Theatrical version Part 1, Extended version Part 1. Disc side B: Theatrical version Part 2, Extended version Part 2". I sure do hope you're right though, but the disk does have two sides and the pic on the site proves it , but it is one disk like you said.
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My info comes from Press releases. :)
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So you're saying that the info on the official site is a little off? What did your info say?

Seth
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My info said, Disk 1: The movies, Disk 2, the extra's.
 
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Have you checked lordoftherings.net? The info sure does sound like "Disc side A: Theatrical version Part 1, Extended version Part 1. Disc side B: Theatrical version Part 2, Extended version Part 2". [/b]
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My worst fears have been realized. I'm getting all three LEs for my birthday on 9/23 and the one from my parents (ROTK) they bought today and will give it to me on the birthday date. Tonight I slit the bottom of the plastic and opened it ONLY to see how the films were arranged (I used a soldering tool to melt the plastic back together later.) only to have my absolute worst DVD fear personified in front of my eyes. The extended version is split AGAIN... but so is the VERY SHORT (when compared to the extended version) theatrical cut. When I saw this, I yelled a yell that would make even Goku's SSJ3 transformation yell sound like a faint whisper (Okay, maybe not THAT intense of a yell, but it was sure was long and loud). GEEZ. Why can't they just do what us fans (or more specificly me and the other pro "extended versions in full on one disc apiece" fans that share the same feelings and views on this situation) want for once. Oh well... I got the new features and still have my old theatrical and extended (with skipping soundtrack) cuts AND my option to burn the LE extended cut (without sound skips from being used before. :D) onto a blank DVD so I can watch it in full (can someone tell me how to do this please?).
 
Has anyone had any technical difficulties with their LEs? When I finally cooled off from being P.O.'ed with the "split movie", I decided to watch it. However, the DVD started skipping about 10 minutes into the film and skipped horribly like a scratched disc without having ANY scratches at all. I noticed that even light handling of the disc makes a sort of "chic, chic, chic" sound indside the plastic lamination, leading me to believe the disc is broken internally (is this possible?). I'm taking the DVD back to the store for an exchange tonight not only to get a replacement, but to also see if this skipping is a major issue. This is most deffinately the last straw for me, not only selling a DVD that fans will be dissapointed in (believe me. I've polled many LOTR fans and a little over 93% said they were dissapointed with the split movies and will not buy the LE if the films are split, but would more likely check it out if their friend has it or something.), but selling a DVD that skips even when it comes right out of the box. Anyone else have this problem?

Seth
 
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I remember someone saying that the brown sword Gandalf had on his horse when he leaves the shire can be seen on one of the walls in bagend. I'm not sure though as I haven't gone back to actually see for myself.
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Do you have a pic of this? That prop must've been 6 feet long for it to be properly scaled for the hobbit actors.
 
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