Transformers: Age of Extinction

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  1. Monster Dave

    Monster Dave Sr Member

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  2. aeonpulse

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    UGHHHHH. *FACEPALM*. Why is he directing a reboot of his own trilogy??? If it's going to be a reboot, he needs to turn the project over to someone else. I'm not a huge fan of Michael Bay, or his Transformer films.

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    I watched this again a few months ago, and it still gets a bigger emotional reaction out of me than any of Bay's films.
     
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  3. Monster Dave

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    Agreed!! I have the 25th anniversary remastered dvd and I still love it.

    It's pretty much an oxymoron to do a reboot of your own work. LOL...
     
  4. YenChih Lin

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    It's silly to do a reboot now…
     
  5. Wolvster1

    Wolvster1 Sr Member Gone but not forgotten.

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    I only care about one thing,
    in a word...............


    DINOBOTS !!



    :darnkids
     
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  6. Watson

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    Article calls it a reboot and then goes on to say that is is an evolution of the first three with Optimus and Bumblebee still in it, but new cast for the rest
     
  7. Jeyl

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    New cast consisting of the US Navy, National Guard, the Marine Corpse and the US Air Force. Wait... Weren't they already in the previous Transformers movies? Meh, I don't think Bay will care since he makes it a habit of turning the real Transformers into side characters in their own bloody films.
     
  8. Monster Dave

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    Call me crazy, but I always thought this was a better way to go with the look of our beloved Transformers:

    Transformers - YouTube
     
  9. Wes R

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    Well my hopes for a more G1 inspired series of movies just got shot to hell. Back to watching the originals on dvd and enjoying the reboot of the g1 comics. Apparently they haven't noticed that the reboot of the comics is going strong and has tons of readers and would work well for a movie. I wish i could go back in time and prevent Bay from ever touching a movie camera. No talent hack.
     
  10. rodneyfaile

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    I would prefer this look too.

    I wouldn't mind seeing the first episodes of the original animated series made into a movie. I liked that story.

    Focus on the robots. Give them more personality and backstory, so when one of them gets killed I at least know who it was.
     
  11. aeonpulse

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    Yeah, definitely. In the Bay films, I couldn't even tell what the hell was supposed to be happening half the time.
     
  12. Solo4114

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    My condolences to Transformers fans. Looks like Michael Baysplosion's Battlebots (feat. Peter Cullen) continues.
     
  13. Wes R

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    The bouncing camera made me dizzy. About the only good thing about the films was Peter Cullen. I wish they'd have gotten the surviving original cast together for the characters including Cullen as Ironhide. What steams me is how proud Bay seems to be that he isn't a fan of Transformers.
     
  14. Monster Dave

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    = :facepalm

    me too...what a dumb dumb...

    :behave
     
  15. ralphee

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    Oh by the love of all things Holy, please let it star Shia Lebouf!

    lee
     
  16. Monster Dave

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    I think insisting a reboot of your own work basically says he wished he could do it all over again and has regrets.

    Geeze these reboots are happening more often than rebooting my own computer!
     
  18. Timmythekid

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    Yeah, why can't they just respect the dignity and deep narrative weight of the giant toys beating the **** out of each other? :darnkids
     
  19. Krull

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    I'm kinda half and half over the new films,on the one hand when I watch the new generation of Transformers back....ohh,early '02 or so I didn't recognize spit so what Bay did didn't shock me.

    Also rewatching the old cartoon...in fact MOST of the stuff i watched back then is painful,the 1986 "movie" wasn't half bad,but the rest? geeze I watched this? the hell was wrong with me???

    But I do agree something closer to what the old show was would be better,I don't remember Spike being the focus of the show like the last three films....I wanna see ROBOTS as the stars,thanks.
     
  20. Crank729

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    This is kind of ridiculous......

    I like the films where they are. Leave them be!!!!!!!

    It better be a darn good movie, Bay!
     
  21. Solo4114

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    That's not my issue. My issue is the crass, calculating manipulative use of branding to sell this film.

    I guarantee you even the biggest fans of this film would find their enjoyment diminished by three very simple acts:

    1.) The name is changed from "Transformers" to ANYTHING else.

    2.) Peter Cullen's voice is replaced by ANYONE else.

    3.) All references to G1 names/characters and terminology are changed to ANYTHING else.


    Think we'd have gotten to Movie #4 in the series if either of those two things were removed?



    Transformers is successful because people are idiots about branding and Hollywood knows this and uses it to its advantage.. You strip out the IP and suddenly the emperor has no clothes.
     
  22. CJS

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    If anything change the director. It will have Bay;s style no matter what, same 10 shots and same slo mo music bits of people stepping out of military vehicles lol. Reboot? get Neill Blomkamp in there and refresh it. The visual effects guys are who really make these films cool anyways. I'm 10000000000% sure the dinobots will be on this time.
     
  23. aeonpulse

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    I'm wondering how many recycled shots from The Island he plans on using for Transformers 4...

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  24. pitchforknumb

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    Just when I thought I couldn't hate Bay more then I already did.
     
  25. MooCriket

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    This is brilliant! He can do this again and again on just films he originally made and laugh all the way to the bank forever.
     
  26. ralphee

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    I think he needs to sit down, and just let out this angst, talk to a professional, who can give him the help he needs.
    Just a few minutes a week, share, shout, maybe a good cry, and im sure he will feel so much better.

    Lee
     
  27. Monster Dave

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    My first time seeing this...what a tool...


    I think they should just let JJ Abrams do the next one and get it right...
     
  28. Solo4114

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    Stuff like that makes me want to kick him in the shins. Hard. And smack fans of his films and say "See what you're doing?! This is YOUR fault!!"
     
  29. Cookiee Monsta

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    Although I had a few problems with TF2. Overall I enjoyed the Transformer trilogy. People can bash all they want (notice its always the same individual's).
     
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  30. thehorndogg

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    He should just do Go-Bots this time
     
  31. YenChih Lin

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    you dare to say "Go-Bots"?! Seriously? get banned :D
     
  32. Solo4114

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    Every time you give Michael Bay a dollar, you're basically telling him "Keep up the good work!" Which includes recycling footage from other movies for his f/x "extravaganza." If you think that's good work, then great. But it is undeniably your fault that he keeps making movies like these. Maybe you don't see that as a problem, but the cause/effect relationship? You can't dodge that one.
     
  33. Monster Dave

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  34. aeonpulse

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    I was watching Fight Club again a few weeks ago, you know that scene where Tyler Durden asks "If you could fight anyone, who would you fight?" I found myself muttering, "Bay. I'd fight Michael Bay".

    I'm not a fan of his "work" for the most part, but I wouldn't say I hate the man or want anything horrible to happen to him. I mainly just want to punch him in the face for telling Scarlett Johansson that she didn't have to get topless in The Island, after she offered to do so. WHY BAY?! WHYYYYY?!?!

    Although, to be perfectly honest, if I was actually given the chance to fight anyone I wanted to, I doubt I would really pick Michael Bay.
     
  35. Cookiee Monsta

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    Not dodging anything. Care to point out where else he's reused footage from one film to another besides TF3?
     
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  36. Jedi2016

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    If I'm not mistaken, that was done for a reason.. the original footage, shot for the film, was tainted by the severe injury of one the stunt people, so they deemed it unusable and, rather than reshoot it, borrowed the elements from another film.

    They also did it for the first film, with one or two shots of the carrier fleet, but that's a logistical choice.. re-use footage or try to arrange a carrier fleet. Which one would you do? And most people don't even notice.

    As for my thoughts on it: Click Here.
     
  37. Cookiee Monsta

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    :lol:lol:lol:lol
     
  38. Timmythekid

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    No offense intended to you, Solo. To be totally honest, I just grabbed yours as the closest post to quote which seemed to be heading in the direction I was commenting on.
    My reaction was more the real-life :rolleyes I did reading through post after post from people complaining how Bay ruined the brilliant story and nuanced characters of what has ALWAYS been nothing more than a very expensive commerical. Except for the '80s cartoon - that couldn't have cost more than a buck fifty an episode. It's giant, nonsensical toys punching each other. By my count, in three movies, each as awful as any other TF story, giant nonsensical toys showed up and punched each other. Who cares if Bay didn't get it "right"? How can you even tell? You might as well ***** about Real Steel besmirching the good name of Rock'em Sock'em Robots.
     
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  39. Solo4114

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    None taken. As I said, I don't think the source material is exactly Sophocles, or even rising to the level of, say, a John McTiernan-helmed actioner.

    But Michael Bay makes crappy movies and there's no two ways about it. The dude's Uwe Boll with a budget. Actually, I think Michael Bay has more naked contempt for his audience than Uwe Boll does. And what really gets me is that people continue to lap up whatever pablum he offers, as long as there 'splosions, slow-mo pans of *, military hardware porn, and nondescript blobs of metal smashing into each other.
     
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  40. SVTStingRay

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    michael bay, i hear will smith and martin lawrence need you
     
  41. Goonie

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    Wonder what Chris Nolan's take on this franchise would be like...
     
  42. knightdriver2001

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    Ugghhhh, Noooooooooooooo.

    The Transformers would look worse than ever and you probably wouldn't be able to understand any of them because they will all talk with a grumbly/raspy voice.

    The Decepticons would become un-interesting characters that you would hope die off quickly so the movie would just end.
     
  43. MooCriket

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    I think Nolan has done just fine, and to think he could not pull off a better Transformers film than we have seen is laughable. Ha, ha ha! I say.
     
  44. Solo4114

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    I think you could absolutely do a Transformers movie that is at once more serious and a bit smarter (which, really, wouldn't take much...) from what's been done. There's this notion out there that, merely because you're making an action flick, that means that it must be some "lowest common denominator" style film that's just an excuse for 'sploshuns, boobies, and slow-mo/fast-mo mix-up rotating shots.

    None of this is the case. You can make an actioner that is still fun and exciting, but which doesn't require you to lobotomize yourself for +2 hours just to take it in. Escapist entertainment doesn't need to be stupid to entertain and there's no reason anyone needs to settle for that kind of treatment.


    Go back and watch Lethal Weapon or Die Hard. Do they have their over-the-top machismo and big explosions and loud gunplay and crazy car chase sequences? Sure! But they've also got well constructed straight-forward stories, interesting villains, and characters that don't seem like excuses JUST to say catch phrases. They're fun without simultaneously being pandering.
     
  45. Timmythekid

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    Is...Isn't that what we just went through in three films? Crap, the only way I got through the * one (heh, see what I did there? "* one"? Heh heh...) was with the help of Mike, Kevin, and Bill being digitally along for the ride (incidentelly, the line in TF2 "Michael Bay is a Toddler, isn't he?" makes me giggle just thinking about it). Except that by the end I was hoping I could die off quickly so it would just end.
    And, yeah, Bay pretty much hates his audience.
     
  46. Solo4114

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    Hmm. How would you rate the RiffTrax experience of the TF films as compared to:

    - Manos: the Hands of Fate

    - The Incredibly Strange Creatures Who Stopped Living And Became Mixed-Up Zombies

    - Pretty much all of Season 1
     
  47. aeonpulse

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    I seriously need to check out more of RiffTrax, seeing as I'm a huge fan of MST3K (both the Joel and Mike eras). I've listened to the sample bits they rotate through on their main page, and what I've heard is hilarious.
     
  48. Solo4114

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    First, TAKE THIS THREAD TO CUBA!!!

    Second, if you haven't seen them, do yourself a favor and check out Cinematic Titanic when they come to town. Well worth the admission fee.

    As for RiffTrax, I have a few of their DVDs, but haven't gotten round to watching them yet. I'm sure they're solid, though. Their "Film Crew" stuff was basically MST3K without the bots, so I wouldn't expect it to be that different.
     
  49. Timmythekid

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    Hah! I just watched Red Zone last night :)


    I've seen everything CT has put out, and found the regular episode a little weak, while the Live shows absolutely CRACKLED. Shame they'll never haul their butts up here to Vancouver, as I'd be there in a heartbeat.
    Film crew was amazing, and the VOD Rifftrax stuff being all public domain goodness is in the same sphere as that. Devil Doll and Buffallo Rider in particular had me in tears by the end.
    The regular riffs can be a little hit and miss given the pace at which they come out (as opposed to the weekly brilliance turned out during the MST3K years). The weakest seem to be the gigantic blockbusters that they feel a need to Riff for sales (See all 6 SW films - I'm not against riffing them per say, but they ended up playing like 2 hour Beavis and Butthead episodes "heh heh...this sucks, because it sucks...heh heh...<<vomittey sound>> I'm going to go kill myself rather than watch one more minute...heh heh...".
    If I was cherry picking I'd certainly start after Bill and Kevin finally signed on the dotted line and became part of the regular crew again. Early episodes were Mike alone with Disembaudio, then Kevin came on to guest with him for one or two, the Bill did a guest or two, then all three got back together and they really took off (I think the first one back featured "SLEEEEEEEEP!!!!!!!", and I knew all was right in the world).
    I grab each and every one, but the absolute peak so far for me has been the Twilight movies, Birdemic, The Room, and "Santa and the Ice Cream Bunny". Those have all had me in the same unable-to-breath tears-streaming down my face state that stuff like Merlins' Mystical Shop of Wonders did.

    And now back to your regularly scheduled Robot Knife Fight....
     
  50. Solo4114

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    :lol

    Ok, now THAT's funny coincidence!


    Good deal. I'll have to check out the ones you recommended. As for CT, I haven't seen their regular discs, but have been to two live shows (and am planning on another in April) and they're fantastic. Also, Josh does an AMAZING Elvis Costello impersonation. I think a big part of what makes those fun, though, is the energy of the crowd. Some scenes they don't even have to riff. The audience just bursts into laughter as one at the (usually unintentional) absurdity on screen.

    Saaaaay....I think we might have our sub-title for Transformers 4, fellas!!
     

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