Thor: Ragnarok (Post-release)

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  1. Vivek

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  2. CutThumb

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    First off:

    Fantastic !!!!!!!! This is a "hella" of alot of fun and I "doug" nearly all of it.

    BUTTTTTTTT........

    I was surprised about what they did and didn't alter from the trailers again. It doesn't half throw you off when you see scenes that have been redone and changed but on the positive side it made the journey a bit more unpredictable and stronger,but you will be shocked by some of the changes,just keep your eye open for them.

    Happily I guess most will be glad to hear they kept the Zeppelin track, it tops and tails the movie and it certainly rocks and by the God of Thunder, what an openning AND finale!!!!! Brilliant.

    Tonally ,it kind of felt like "Flash Gordon" at times (though obviously its light years better) with lots of throwback puns (including one to the original "Willie Wonka" movie) , and the visual style and soundtrack felt very retro, particularly once they get off Assgard.

    Without wishing to spoil much, if you remember the way you felt about the first time you saw Guardians of the Galaxy, then you will likely to love nearly all of this. I laughed far more often than I thought I would, even though I really liked and enjoyed the directors previous work anyway, and the chemistry between all the cast works fantastically well, with only a couple of jokes falling flat on their face (though I did still howl with laughter and wolfed the bulk of them down without any problems). Its a * funny movie and it works because the cast were obviously having tons of fun improvising and you'll not need to get help spotting the jokes, they mostly land on the nose.

    Kudos to Tessa Thompson AND Taika, I loved what their characters brought to the movie, Jeff G as the grandmaster is played with a very light touch and Cate B is wonderfully over the top, though she did disappear for most of the second half of the film ,when the focus has to be on Thors Revengers, and I even liked Skurges story arc (if not his accent). And ,for once ,Antony Hopkins didn't feel like he slept through most of this (he does the other thing).

    I get some people will think the story is "slight" and it is, it has nothing on the scale of "The Winter Soldiers" complexity and the seriously darker under tones ( even though this is Ragnorak) , but there still are some surprising casualties , but ,do you know what, I came out of this with the biggest grin on my face after it and I actually ached a bit from the amount of laughing I'd done.

    Job done Taika!!!!

    Loved it

    PS :Two end of scenes. The first is pretty brief but makes sense it terms of the Infinity Wars, whilst the other at the very end is hardly a revolution in laughs and not essential viewing so you could skip it unless you want to sit through all the VFXs credits (and I think I counted thirteen different companys that supplied them on this film!!!)
     
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  3. renaissance_man

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    Just got back from seeing the film in IMAX 3D and it was AMAZING.
    So many links and payoffs from the previous Thor films and great links into the MCU in general.
    Another great Stan Lee cameo and 2 bonus post credits scenes.

    I'm off to see it again on Saturday.

     
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    The Thor Ragnarok art cards we picked up at the end of the IMAX 3D screening, sadly no Valkyrie card in the box but I was more than happy to get these 4 plus the bonus Black Panther Flyer with 20% off at the Disney Store!

    [​IMG]Thor Ragnarok IMAX 3D art cards by JamieThomas28, on Flickr
     
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  5. geordietrooper

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    i was lucky managed to get the same as you plus the Valkyrie
    p.s. great film
     
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  6. Fawbish

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    Spoilers ahead

    Overall - exactly what it says on the tin. I was laughing out loud at parts, alllllmost emotional at others (back to this soon) and had a joyful time. I don't think I'll be back for second viewing at cinema, but thats more to the nature of the film rather than the film itself. It's a fairly lean story, told well and was very entertaining. I look forward to watching it again in a while on home release.

    A worthy addition to the MCU, with a relentless pace and a solid grasp on what film it wanted to be (even if that is something I don't fully love in the context of this character).

    I wasn't awed by the fight scenes which were relatively paint by numbers - the action could be followed but didn't seem particularly special. I loved the various character interactions, but disliked that they didn't take some of the ones I loved (Korg) further than they did. It feels like a bit of wasted potential when they included other stuff. It was hard to see Korg or Meek not be developed much/at all beyond cheap laughs after watching Planet Hulk!

    I'm absolutely 50/50 on the Dr Strange stuff. It's a nice cameo and an example of whats possible with this shared universe, but christ it felt forced. Still...his forward floating and mastery (bit soon?) was pretty sick/felt quite cool.

    I think the only real main reason I don't utterly love the film is the extremely predictable reason that people will probably dislike - and I hope it isn't taken negatively by anyone that adores the film. I commend the humour in this film - it's silly sometimes, slapstick, smart at times and wonderfully light hearted - which in turn rendered the more emotional moments without gravity. And I'm sure others will disagree, and fair play. Hulk/Banners arc was carried out with almost no emotional engagement. Some of the recipe was there, definitely - they set up that he was afraid to never be Banner etc. And then the hero moment came...and combined with the humour - fell flat. Gutting. Again, with Thor using the "sun getting real low" line - I knew they were going to turn it into a joke (great physical reference with Loki) but it just jarred with me massively.

    On the otherhand, the fact we had a Thor that was bullish, goofy and yet showed some of his most self aware and smart moves in this film was great. It wasnt a smooth arc overall through his films but they do manage to tie up his three film arc fairly well. They under served Loki, I think. And I don't really know how to feel about what they did with Odin. Some mixed feelings there.

    So overall, irreverent almost to the point of carelessness, but with enough heart and humour to carry an entertaining flick. Enjoyed myself. I think I ever so slightly preferred it to Homecoming.
     
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  7. renaissance_man

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    Great to see Thor use his powers more, be it with his hammer fighting Surtur or flying from the dragon or Supercharged and Hammerless against Hulk and Hela.
     
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  8. Jaitea

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    Loved it

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  9. Gimpdiggity

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    I was up in the air on this one ever since it was announced...the previous two films didn't do an awful lot for me, and honestly Taika Waititi has done absolutely nothing for me...but after seeing some reviews from reviewers that I like to read, and seeing the first few posts in this thread here, I'm going to be seeing it in a few days.
     
  10. glunark

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    Rock guy was brilliant, I hope he makes it into infinity wars.

    Was not expecting them to kill the warriors three, and especially so swiftly.

    I guess Sif was offworld somewhere.
     
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  11. maffhewdc

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    Without any spoilers... it's definitely an enjoyable movie. I love the new take on Thor, Valkyrie was awesome and Loki kills it as usual. However, I do find Hela to be a bit weak of a villan. I also love Hulk's inclusion but I just didn't like how he was dumbed down a lot. Jeff Goldblum was what exactly what you'd expect him to be :lol

    The film was really well done nonetheless. In the scene where Thor first meets Hulk at the arena, I actually felt a lot of tension before the Hulk is revealed even though we've seen it in the trailers.

    Now here's some more details but with spoilers
    - I love how we get both the Unworthy Thor and King Thor looks in this one. Chris Hemsworth really embodied Thor in this one and it seems like he genuinely had fun.
    - Valkyrie was awesome. That's all I can say about her :lol
    - Loki. Need I say more about him?
    - Hela. Honestly at first she was intimidating, but as the movie went on I felt like she was just the typical villain who just wants to take over the world. She's not in it as much as you think. I hate that they killed her in this one. They really REALLY could have used her as Lady Death in Infinity War. IW may not really use Thanos' whole "proving my love" element but it would have been really nice to see her in more MCU films.
    - I love Bruce Banner, I think the Hulk was badass, BUT they dumbed down the character a lot. He's either a rage monster or a pouty and butthurt child in this one. By the end when he tries to smash Surtur and Thor yells at him, it felt like he was this kid doing something he shouldn't be doing and he just obeys unwillingly.
    - I hoped to see more of Odin. His death happened way too soon and out of the blue. Same with Surtur, seems like he was just in the movie to actually make Ragnarok happen.

    Some jokes landed, some didn't for me. Or maybe it's just because I had a slight headache since I was in a different theater from what I was used to and the 3D system was different. That or maybe because some guy was kicking the back of my chair. But overall, good movie.
     
  12. glunark

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    Considering how Thor's eye ends up, I wonder if the infinity trailer footage was digitally altered so as not to give away spoilers?
     
  13. Fawbish

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    I wondered that. Either that or they use the original footage, and missing eye was completely effect based in other scenes. Might have been a late addition as some fairly heavy handed parallel theme stuff.

    My guess is that the mid credit scene ends up in a fight, Thor is "dispelled" from those ships and ends up on the windshield of the Milano.
     
  14. maffhewdc

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    One thing I realized from the mid-credits scene. I presume that the ship that blocks the Asgardians' is Thanos' ship right? It doesn't look like they just accidentally stumbled into it, it's like they were intentionally blocking its path. But why? Is Thanos coming for Loki? Or Heimdall because he might have the last Infinity Stone?
     
  15. CutThumb

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    Because its highly likely Loki took the Tesseract from the Odins vault at the same time he released Surt in the Eternal Flame. You see him pause and look rather meaningfully at it, and of course they have a history
     
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  16. nwjedidave

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    TOTALLY ENTERTAINING! Loved every bit of this movie.
     
  17. maffhewdc

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    Gonna see it again later today in 2D because the 3D system isn't good in the only theater in my area. This movie also kind of confirmed my theory that each Avenger's vision in AoU represents a different kind of possibility/event. Tony's vision is the possible future, Thor's is the true future, Cap's was the possible past, Natasha's was the true past, Hulk's is the mystery, and Clint's is what never happened :lol
     
  18. Snikt

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    I really enjoyed it, but Fawbish said it better than I could, I think sometimes it was a tad TOO funny. Dont get me wrong, I laughed at all the jokes, but after the movie was over, and I had time to process everything, the stakes didnt seem as high considering how comedic everything was. I liked Hela, I thought she was good, Surtur was rad looking, loved Clancy Brown as the voice, but I had a few nitpicks. Didnt really like Hulks voice, and how different they made his face look, he looked way less monsterous, its like he had a make over or something. I havent seen Thor 2 since it came out, so I kind of forgot what happened in that one, but I wasnt really sure why Odin died, considering he was asleep in the last one. I also didnt like that Hela used Thors hammer, because in the comics, its made specifically for him so when they showed the mural I was kind of like "wuh"?

    Anyone notice the Beta Ray Bill easter egg in the tower? I thought that was rad.
     
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  19. maffhewdc

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    In the first Thor movie, Odin was asleep for majority of the movie. In Thor 2, he didn't really do much from the middle to the end. In Ragnarok, it was explained what happened to Odin. Loki exiled Odin and stripped him of his powers so he was reduced to a body that's just at the same level as humans (making him vulnerable to disease and death of old age, I assume). I don't remember who said it, but I think it was Heimdall.
     
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    See, maybe thats what my problem is, how the hell did Loki exile Odin? I didnt think he had the power to do that. I know that Odin is vulnerable in the Odinsleep, but still. Next time I see it Ill look out for it.
     
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    That was something I was looking for an answer to as well when I rewatched it. They never really explained how Loki kicked Odin out. I can only recall Odin telling Loki "it took me a while to break out of your spell". Which, as you said, I think is not probable since Odin's supposed to be way more powerful than Loki.
     
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  22. crabra comander

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    Can't Dr Strange just reverse his missing eye? He did a tiny apple, so why not a face?

    Don't get me started on how OP Dr Strange is. I don't see has someone without magic would stand a chance against him...
     
  23. 6 finger wizard

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    I thoroughly enjoyed it, I think I would classify it as one of the most re-watchable MCU films. I'll have to watch it again without spending so much effort looking for easter eggs (BRB specifically),
     
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  24. Father

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    So IMDb says

    thor-1011815.png

    Later in the movie, after Thor sees through Heimdall's eyes, they show the tower again. Looks like Hulk replaced Man-Thing on the top.
    Is that definitely Ares though? I thought it was Magneto.

    tower.jpg
     
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    I absolutely loved it. I think it’s awesome how the Asgardians are basically Battlestar Galactica on their way to find earth. I also dig Thor’s new look
     
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    When we first see the tower in the movie I think there was nothing at the top, only a chin was under construction (correct me if I'm wrong). The second time we see it, the Hulk's face almost finished
     
  27. doctorDWwho

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    Taking into consideration that I generally only see 2-3 movies in theater per year, but this year I've already seen rogue one, gotg vol. 2, Spider-Man Homecoming (twice), and I plan to see murder on the orient express and the last jedi. Is this worth spending that much more money for the ticket, or should I just wait?
     
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    This is by far my favorite Marvel movie. Its a perfect blend or action and comedy.
     
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    I liked this movie a lot and left the theatre laughing. Great picture! BTW, did anybody notice the Cylon-esque helmet on one of the goons when Thor breaks out? :)
     
  30. JLeezy23

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    Movie is pretty good! I'd say most entertaining Thor film, but I wouldn't go as far as movie reviewers saying "BEST MCU MOVIE EVERR!" The humor goes over the top a few times, BUT the action overshadowed the humor for me, and good lord I love that music!

    Loki seemed underused, like they considered him as just an attachment to Thor because he is and gave him a small redemption then he tosses it away (again) when he swipes the tesseract. The whole Odin appearing for a minute seemed forced to push the plot, we never had an explanation of what exactly happened, because we see it all from Thor's point of view. And Hela seemed like a forced villain to me, a modified MCU cookie cutter villain: similar powers to the hero wanting to take the hero's place for domination, aaaand dies trying. I just hope we do see some MCU villains come back in IW, I'm bored to death seeing bad guys try to take over once and die!

    Overall, I liked the film and would see it again, Valkyrie needs some spotlight in the future!!
     
  31. maffhewdc

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    I didn't notice Loki pausing to stare at the Tesseract the first time I watched the movie, but he definitely took it (like CutThumb mentioned) and used it. There was no way for him to get to the ship in seconds before Surtur was fully reborn.
     
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    I fell in love with Tessa Thompson.
    Sure enough that girl owns the screen with everything from her swagger down to her smirk.
     
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  33. Father

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    I liked it way more than GotGv2. I think it was probably as good if not slightly better than Spider-Man Homecoming too.

    This movie is a rarity in that it's at least as good as the previous two. It's weird because I generally don't have very high expectations for the Thor movies but they always manage to knock it out of the park.
     
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    loved the crap outta this one.
     
  35. SmilingOtter

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    Great movie. A lot more humor than I was suspecting, but I loved it.

    I recognized Matt Damon as the stage Loki, but missed that Thor was played by Luke Hemsworth, and Odin was Sam Neill.
     
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    This was the usual Marvel faire— villain with a singular goal to rule/win with simplistic motivation, crazy visual spectacle, humor, fair mount of heart, 3rd act 95%cgi climax... and a cast you love so much you forgive it all for being the same thing we’ve seen a hundred times.

    My favorite thing— a full on Kirby scifi production design based film. :love
     
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  37. Toadmeister

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    Took the kids this weekend, actually saw it twice.

    Laughed so hard I cried several times. Favorite little moment was Hulk/Thor after battle discussion where hulk goes "hummpf" like a immature child.

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    Really enjoyed it. Good action and humor.
     
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    Took the kids this weekend, actually saw it twice.

    Laughed so hard I cried several times. Favorite little moment was Hulk/Thor after battle discussion where hulk goes "hummpf" like a immature child.

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    Laughed out loud when Thor tells the story of Loki impersonating a snake when they were children.

    Overall liked it more than GOTG2 and Homecoming
     
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    In my opinion, it's totally worth going to see. For me, it's right up there with the first Guardians of the Galaxy as one of the best and most entertaining movies in the MCU so far. Lots of humor in but it never felt out of place and the Hemsworth-Hiddleston chemistry really shined, those two really work well together and this movie really showed it.

    Personally, I liked this movie far better than the previous 2 Thor movies, they were always my least favorite of the MCU movies but this one really outshines its predecessors. It was a lot more fun than the previous 2 and Jeff Goldblum and Cate Blanchett practically stole the movie. Jeff Goldblum was perfect as the Grand Master, his quirkiness was out in full glory and used to its best in this movie, arguably one of his best roles ever and I'd love to see him onscreen with Benecio Del Toro as the Collector. Cate Blanchett looked like she was really into her role as Hela and was practically chewing up the scenery in some scenes. She most definitely was not phoning it in playing Hela.
     
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    I'm confused. Where's Lady Sif?
     
  43. JLeezy23

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    IRL explanation: the actress was busy shooting a tv show
    In-Universe explanation: ......
     
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    Hanging out with Jane?
     
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    I cannot believe how great this movie was. The action was very dynamic at times, a lot of interesting shots. Use of Mjolnir was really well-done. I kind of want him to have it back because it looked so great.

    The occasional line just did not seem natural for the character due to the improv.

    I could not stop laughing during the chair scene. Possibly my favorite thing in the whole movie. Great homage. Hela explaining Odin's gauntlet was good too.

    Overall, I like this movie. ANOTHER!!!
     
  46. Inquisitor Peregrinus

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    "Where was Lady Sif?" I like the Kevin Feige's snarky comment that she's there -- for about a second in the "Tragedy of Loki" play. Really, though. We see her on her own in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. I imagine Loki's kept her off doing errands, much the same as Thor, to keep them both from realizing Odin isn't Odin. I'm hoping this actually comes into play later on and she isnt' just killed off-screen retroactively when Hela shows up or Surtur demolishes Asgard.

    Speaking of. OMG Surtur. I love Clancy Brown so much. Even though he was a voice actor here, I'm hoping he and Jeff still got to at least say hi. I think it's the first film they've been in together since Buckaroo Banzai.

    Also, how has no one mentioned the Willy Wonka music playing when Thor is dragged through the Sakaar orientation film?

    --Jonah
     
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  47. CutThumb

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    Read my review.
     
  48. JLeezy23

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    Inquisitor Peregrinus, I forgot to add, the Wonka song amped up the creepyness of that scene tenfold
     
  49. MrSouthpaw

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    I'm referring to that scene in the post above yours. I left out 'Wonka' because I think that is so funny and surprising that I didn't want to spoil it, even in a post-release topic.
     
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  50. niennumb1

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    I definitely enjoyed it far more than GoTG2.

    For me I laughed so hard at Banner's fall from the sky and hitting the bridge before transforming. This movie was in pretty rare form to have a flow this good with some really great action and comedy. Thor's character development has been wonderful being the stiff and Shakespearean serious gladiator he used to be, to now have adapted to the Earth life and being far more cool and loose.... This is what it's all about is taking the time to really build and come to understand and grow with these characters. It makes it so easy to get into all of these films because of how well established these characters now are to where you don't need to take a whole lot of time to explain things. We just know them now and it's great.

    I still can't believe Hela is Cate Blanchett. This was quite a big departure from roles I've seen her in before and she played a perfect bad-*** gal and was a surprise cool villain.
     
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