Third Batman Film Will Be Titled ‘The Dark Knight Rises’ and Will

[joker-scar]

WOW...I guess I`m one of a few people on this site that was blown away with TDK. I liked Ledger because he and Nolan took the Joker on a different swing. I enjoyed the Nicholson version at the time but it did ring too close to camp...like Nicholson is apt to do in the last half of his career anyway. I agree with the `too many villians` in one movie concept, I`d rather have one good antagonist than load the boat because some in the audience have a low attention span.
TDK is a very tight film despite it`s long running time, and there is very little on screen violence compared to other films, no shots of extraneous blood bursts or a policeman`s head being blown away by the Joker and his shotgun etc. I don`t mind Bale as the Batman...and I saw his side when he blew up at the crew member on set last year or when ever it was when it hit the media. That`s my pithy 2 cent opinion anyway.

I swear i'm the only one who didn't like the last movie lol. I guess it is because i didn't like Ledger as an actor and he wasn't a traditional Joker. Considering you have nearly 70 years of enemies you think they'd come up with someone not overused.

 

[cayman shen]

Not a fan of TDK either. I almost walked out on it. It was the $30.00 I spent on it that made me stay till the end! :lol
Begins was a great movie. Then it sprialed down with TDK. I agree with the one villian approach. It's hard enough to go from a villian's back story to his death in 90 minutes as it is, let alone deal with three villians at a time!

TDK was almost 3 hours long.

 

[Jeyl]

I enjoyed the Dark Knight immensely for what it was, but Nolan still treats female characters like crap, worse than Begins.

But if I may say one thing that I cannot stop praising this film for is how it didn't revert to the "modern action" motif. Like shaky documentary style camera movements. Not here thank god.

 

[Larry Young]

I enjoyed the Dark Knight immensely for what it was, but Nolan still treats female characters like crap, worse than Begins

I'm a big fan of Inception, and in reading articles about it, I saw Nolan was getting this criticism a lot, and, honestly, I don't see why it's being levelled at him moreso than any other writer/director. If your protagonist is a man, putting his woman into jeopardy is where all the drama starts. Does Philip Kaufman treat female characters like crap, killing off Josey Wales' family, Henry & June, Twisted? Coppola? Scorcese?

I dunno; I'm just not seeing it.

 

[Too Much Garlic]

I think TDK handled the multiple villains quite well... and they didn't just gang up and work together against Batman, they had infights and fought for superiority and control over each other and the criminal underworld, with the Joker right smack in the middle playing everybody up against each other. It was pure chaos - everything he wanted.

I don't like the idea of the multiple villains who just join up and fight as a team against the hero. Just feels so overused and lame. You don't see different gangs join up and fight the police, no, they fight the police on their own, while fighting each other over control, basically catching the police right in the middle of their war that spills out and endangers innocents.

Must admit I'm not that up on the various villains there is... but whoever they choose, they will definitely do their own spin on the character, making them fit the reality they are creating. Still think that since we've seen Scarecrow in minor roles that we may finally see him rise to a more dangerous position within the criminal world.

And they can hint at the Joker by having other characters attempt to follow his example or even try to bust him out, by building up their status in the underworld and gaining supporters to help do the deed. Harley Quinn could definitely be a minor character... or... they could go all wild and have Poison Ivy and Catwoman in there as well, as a trio of small-timers who end up going their separate ways.

Though, if they wanna go with characters that haven't been used in the other films... then who is really left, who isn't cartoony and over the top impossible in the world Nolan has created?

 

[Jeyl]

I'm a big fan of Inception, and in reading articles about it, I saw Nolan was getting this criticism a lot, and, honestly, I don't see why it's being levelled at him moreso than any other writer/director.

Because this is a Nolan related thread?

 

[Larry Young]

Though, if they wanna go with characters that haven't been used in the other films... then who is really left, who isn't cartoony and over the top impossible in the world Nolan has created?

There's a million. I'm not exactly a Batman scholar, but I could see the suicidal assassin Deadshot working in the Nolanverse. Hugo Strange would definitely work, especially if you're adding in the Scarecrow, since Strange's mind-control gas was the basis for the Scarecrow's fear gas. Solomon Grundy could work. I could see a Nolan take on the blind painter Crazy Quilt.

But me, I'd just make the A-story be Batman as the villain, with Gordon chasing him around Gotham while they both fight to clear his name by dealing with whoever the B-story bad guy is. I mean, they ended that last three hour death march with everyone thinking Batman was a dangerous murderer. You can't just start it like GBII with a title card that says "Five Years Later" and have Bruce and Dick talking about fishing when Alfred interrupts them to discreetly tell them Egghead is on the loose again. :lol

 

[Larry Young]

Because this is a Nolan related thread?

I wasn't so much asking why the criticism was being levelled here as I was asking why it was being levelled at all. Sorry for not being more clear.

 

[NakedMoleRat]

TDK was almost 3 hours long.

I must have fallen asleep! :lol

 

[terryr]

Re: Third Batman Film Will Be Titled ‘The Dark Knight Rises’ and Will

I'd love to see them explain King Tut in the dark knight universe.

Egghead??

 

[Jeyl]

I wasn't so much asking why the criticism was being levelled here as I was asking why it was being levelled at all. Sorry for not being more clear.

Maybe it's because there are so many great female characters in the Batman universe that have a variety of abilities, talents and rich characterizations that aren't limited solely to being a love interest as Rachel was. The problem with Nolan's series so far is that NO DC FEMALE CHARACTER has appeared or even been mentioned. At all. And with Nolan's track record, I doubt he would have any interest. Cripes, I bet Nolan would actually say "A woman who dresses up as a cat and steals precious items doesn't fit in our realistic take on Batman".
:thumbsdown

 

[Pappy]

But a catwoman had 9 lives,is that realistic?:confused

 

[Larry Young]

Maybe it's because there are so many great female characters in the Batman universe that have a variety of abilities, talents and rich characterizations that aren't limited solely to being a love interest as Rachel was. The problem with Nolan's series so far is that NO DC FEMALE CHARACTER has appeared or even been mentioned. At all. And with Nolan's track record, I doubt he would have any interest. Cripes, I bet Nolan would actually say "A woman who dresses up as a cat and steals precious items doesn't fit in our realistic take on Batman".
:thumbsdown

First you were warning actresses away because you think Nolan treats women like redshirts. Most actresses I know wouldn't care at all if they were getting paid for the gig (and the other ones I know would let you be despicable to them if they could get a SAG card so there's that). Then you said he treated them "like crap." Now, you seem to be bent that there's no female DC character involved.

I know everyone has their own agenda and bias and point-of-view and whatnot, but I gotta ask: so what? I'm mad Batman hasn't gone to the JLA Watchtower on the moon and put on a spacesuit so I can try to build a replica Batspacesuit, but I don't say that in public. I'm sure there are people mad that Bruce Wayne hasn't made Vegemite worms with Saltines or has been shown rooting for the Carolina Panthers.

All I see is good, entertaining, dramatic storytelling, and I just don't see the criticism levelled at Nolan that he treats female characters like crap. He treats his male characters like crap. It's dramatic, when your hero is a man, for his woman to be in trouble.

 

[darthgordon]

I swear i'm the only one who didn't like the last movie lol. I guess it is because i didn't like Ledger as an actor and he wasn't a traditional Joker. Considering you have nearly 70 years of enemies you think they'd come up with someone not overused.

it was only successful because of his death overall. If he had been alive it would have been just " another" super hero movie.

I wasn't on the bandwagon when I first saw the Joker's make-up or the idea of Ledger playing the role. As he wasn't the traditional Joker, I had major problems with it. I also felt that much of the ranting and raving about his performance was due to his accident. I wasn't blown away by his performance, but did enjoy it (better than Bender in Under the Red Hood... even if the animated character did look a lot more traditional).

I warmed up to the idea after thinking about it a little bit. We've had Jack's Joker and Hamill's. We've seen the Joker get bleached. So it stands to reason that doing it again would be just a remake. It made sense to put a little different spin on the character.

The whole characterization of this Joker comes from The Killing Joke. So at least it doesn't stray too much from source material. The Joker and Batman have been done many different ways over the years in the comics, cartoons and live action.

I really think the Joker (and not just Ledger) helped lead to the success of the movie. If you've got the Joker on the big screen, it's going to be a hit.

If we could get Nolan to replace Bale as Batman, then it may be good.

The other two stunk because of his crappy acting and that stupid voice.

I'm hoping that they'll consider the criticism made by everyone on that and work on Bale's voice. His Bruce Wayne voice is more intimidating.

I'm hoping in this we see Batman get closer to Batman. A more traditional Batcave, a Batmobile that's sleeker and less like a tank... a less robotic looking and sleeker suit.

As for villains, I have no idea whom he'll choose. Nolan's take is more realistic. How many of Batman's rogues both fit into the Nolanverse and are recognizable enough for a large audience?

 

[niennumb1]

Nolan should just go for it and employ the Penguin from Billy Madison:

 

[JD]

I didn't care much for either of Nolan's Batman films. Dark Knight's saving grace was Ledger he made the film. I didn't care much for this take on Batman at all, it might be a step up from Batman & Robin, but it's not a bi step.

 

[Hedjii72]

All the fun has been sucked out of the series, and for the most part, I think Batman at this point has been pretty much covered. Not much left to do with the character.

 

[Alan Cross]

Really liked TDK when it came out. You guys are TOUGH critics! I personally think the fans got a much higher level of quality filmmaking than the source material deserves. I remember in BEGINS, thinking that Nolan did such a good job giving us a believable psychological take on Bruce Wayne's motivations for wanting to become a vigilante, than when you finally see him in the BATMAN suit for the first time, it hit me, "hey, that suit's kind of silly." Because the stuff leading up to it felt so much more grounded.

I agree that Bale's Batman voice is annoying. But it's a choice. I wonder if they adjust it for the next one?

While I do remember liking TDK a lot when it came out, when I watch it now on HBO, I realize on repeat viewings that it's ONLY Ledger's performance as the Joker that I find compelling. That, and that "RISING PITCH PEAKING IN FRENZIED CRESCENDO" he calls a score.

 

[Jeyl]

He treats his male characters like crap. It's dramatic, when your hero is a man, for his woman to be in trouble.

You want to know what the big difference is between his male and female characters? Male characters are the leads and/or heroes of his stories! You may think this is no big deal at all, but you look at all the super hero movies that are coming out and tell why there aren't any female centric ones?

Why should we expect anything different from the third batman movie?

 

[Larry Young]

You may think this is no big deal at all, but you look at all the super hero movies that are coming out and tell why there aren't any female centric ones?

I would imagine it's because there aren't a lot of starring-role female superheroes in the first place. Wonder Woman's the only one with any sort of name recognition at all. What do want them to do? A Terra from the Teen Titans movie?

All the starring-role female characters in comics are from independent and underground books, and no studio anywhere is going to commit 60-80 mil to a character whose graphic novel sold 3000 copies last year.