Things you've always wondered about in sci-fi movies

[Riceball]

TOS had the orange (or was it red) coveralls and the movies had the white coveralls.

Ture, I will give TOS credit for having the second most practical uniforms after Enterprise, However, if those Monster Maroons are cut anything like my old Marine Corps Alphas and Dress Blues, I wouldn't want to be doing anything too vigorous or active in them. Even just sitting at a console pushing buttons and the like would start to get uncomfortable before too long.

 

[Halliwax]

It doesn’t really bother me because the movie is so damn fun otherwise, Buford is both a hoot and absolutely more sinister than Biff (or Griff) ever was, the score is great, and the finale is spectacular (again, minus Doc showing up with his gremlin children in the flying train). But I do like bringing it up, it makes for fun conversation. As for the whole “paradox” thing, I feel like the only thing that would change is that 1955 Doc would have to replace whatever they took from the 1885 Delorean. I do think I remember the line about the gas being filled though, and it certainly is possible that Doc drained the gas either getting himself to 1885 Hill Valley or storing the car.

Dang, now I’m in the mood to watch these again.

We are much a like! I too don’t look too much into it but love all the theory’s behind it

Like.. with 1955 doc learning about his death, it stops him from dying by wearing the vest right?

Well that same doc now knows he gets stuck in 1885 in the lightning storm… so don’t you think that when doc is hovering above Marty in the storm he should know better, since he knew about this even since 1955

I’m digging for you man but I haven’t found the video about “rich Marty”

The theory goes, poor Marty goes back in time, changes things and comes back to a rich future with cool parents… when poor Marty comes back he comes back early and sees the rich Marty of the cool future

So what ever happened to that rich Marty?! Lol

Goes into some wicked cool theory’s.. it’s a few years old and can’t find the key word to find it on YouTube, I’ve never thought of it until I saw that video

 

[division 6]

Ture, I will give TOS credit for having the second most practical uniforms after Enterprise, However, if those Monster Maroons are cut anything like my old Marine Corps Alphas and Dress Blues, I wouldn't want to be doing anything too vigorous or active in them. Even just sitting at a console pushing buttons and the like would start to get uncomfortable before too long.

ST TMP they all wore pajamas.

If the ship was kept cool enough the Maroon Monsters and turtle neck sweaters would be like on deck duty on a U-Boot.
The director did want TRoK to be like a Napoleonic Naval battle.

 

[batguy]

IMO the biggest thing people 'miss' about BTTF - Eric Stolz's take on the material wasn't wrong.

If you put yourself in Marty's shoes, the situation would be a lot more terrifying than fun & comic.

 

[Halliwax]

IMO the biggest thing people 'miss' about BTTF - Eric Stolz's take on the material wasn't wrong.

If you put yourself in Marty's shoes, the situation would be a lot more terrifying than fun & comic.

I can agree with this

 

[Riceball]

ST TMP they all wore pajamas.

If the ship was kept cool enough the Maroon Monsters and turtle neck sweaters would be like on deck duty on a U-Boot.
The director did want TRoK to be like a Napoleonic Naval battle.

It's not about warmth or coolness, but the overall comfort and practicality. Wearing a service dress uniform is like wearing a well tailored business suit, but heavier. It's not just hot, it's heavy and it restricts your movements, it makes you look good when you're just standing around in it but it's not really designed for you to do any kind of real work in it. For a captain of a ship where all they do is sit or stand around and issue orders and maybe press a few buttons at their fingertips, but it doesn't work for crew members who have to do more than that and/or have controls that are not within ready reach of their hands, and if things get frantic, it's going to be frustrating working in a somewhat restrictive jacket. I guess that's why in the TOS movies McCoy wears a medical smock and the crew ditch their blouses and wear field jackets on away missions.

 

[Laspector]

I watched BTTF the other day and was wondering another thing about the 88mph deal. When Doc does the first test with the dog in the car, he sets the brakes and hits the accelerator. The back wheels spin up until the car is well into 60mph, yet the car is still going no where. He releases the brakes and the car only goes about a hundred feet before disappearing. Could the car actually catch that much traction to go from 00mph to 88mph in that short of a distance?
So, my question is-- does the car actually have to be moving at 88mph across the ground, or can you just "trick" the engine into thinking it is going 88mph by having the wheels spinning that fast?

 

[Ron]

I watched BTTF the other day and was wondering another thing about the 88mph deal. When Doc does the first test with the dog in the car, he sets the brakes and hits the accelerator. The back wheels spin up until the car is well into 60mph, yet the car is still going no where. He releases the brakes and the car only goes about a hundred feet before disappearing. Could the car actually catch that much traction to go from 00mph to 88mph in that short of a distance?
So, my question is-- does the car actually have to be moving at 88mph across the ground, or can you just "trick" the engine into thinking it is going 88mph by having the wheels spinning that fast?

It had to actually be traveling at 88mph. We see the train in part 3 had to be going that fast. Doc spinning the wheels and the speedometer climbing up was for a visual sure, but if I have to rationalize it, we only see the speedometer on the remote control climbing. We don't see the speedometer in the car. The remote speedometer must be calibrated to the throttle on the remote and not the car itself.

 

[Halliwax]

I watched BTTF the other day and was wondering another thing about the 88mph deal. When Doc does the first test with the dog in the car, he sets the brakes and hits the accelerator. The back wheels spin up until the car is well into 60mph, yet the car is still going no where. He releases the brakes and the car only goes about a hundred feet before disappearing. Could the car actually catch that much traction to go from 00mph to 88mph in that short of a distance?
So, my question is-- does the car actually have to be moving at 88mph across the ground, or can you just "trick" the engine into thinking it is going 88mph by having the wheels spinning that fast?

The delorean has 135hp, it takes forever for her to get up to speed, as long as you stay in the rpm power band it’s a fun car, but getting there takes forever

You are on to something not only is he power braking.. but they hose down the parking lot. This makes the black top shine on camera, also makes the tires spin much easier, which is a very hard thing to do in a delorean, and the transaxle doesn’t like hole shots what so ever..

I would find it nearly impossible for the car to hook launching at that rpm on a wet surface

 

[batguy]

Yeah, the whole line-lock deal (the back tires spinning while the front brakes are holding) is not necessary or realistic.

Doc might have souped-up the engine of the DeLorean to make more horsepower. It wasn't all that powerful from the factory.

IMO a small nitrous oxide shot would have been perfect for that. Simple & effective.

Hollywood stunt crews actually do use nitrous sometimes when they don't have enough space to get a car up to speed.

 

[Halliwax]

Yeah, the whole line-lock deal (the back tires spinning while the front brakes are holding) is not necessary or realistic.

Doc might have souped-up the engine of the DeLorean to make more horsepower. It wasn't all that powerful from the factory.

IMO a small nitrous oxide shot would have been perfect for that. Simple & effective.

Hollywood stunt crews actually do use nitrous sometimes when they don't have enough space to get a car up to speed.

I sure hope he souped it up, the movie dubbed it over with a Porsche v8 with performance exhaust. A factory delorean is whisper quiet lol

I always hoped he swapped out the engine for the Porsche, but when the back of the car explodes from the whiskey they put in the tank, that fuel “injector manifold” is the actual CIS fuel distributor on top of the delorean engine..

I always wanted a extra one to cut up and replicate as it looked in the film and put on display.. but they are stupid money now..

 

[JediMichael]

I have read a theory that the glowing portal that appears in front of the delorean only stays ipen for such a very short time, and that it has to be traveling at, at least 88 mph to get completely through.
Interesting theory, but probably not canon.

 

[Lightning]

As for the whole “paradox” thing, I feel like the only thing that would change is that 1955 Doc would have to replace whatever they took from the 1885 Delorean.

That's in an ideal scenario. What if they caused a cave in and damaged the car beyond repair? That's a chance they couldn't take. Doc's long shot Western Union plan worked perfectly, they would be crazy to disturb it.

No, the real issue is Doc getting struck by lightning at the end of Part II. He isn't going 88 when he travels in time (which is a requirement to push through the time portal). The stated solution, by the filmmakers, is that the "99" fire trails in the sky are to represent the delorian rotating on its axis at an 88 mph equivalent. But that really doesn't work if you think about it too hard, at the very least the massive acceleration g-force would definitely kill Doc.

 

[HMSwolfe]

That's in an ideal scenario. What if they caused a cave in and damaged the car beyond repair? That's a chance they couldn't take. Doc's long shot Western Union plan worked perfectly, they would be crazy to disturb it.

No, the real issue is Doc getting struck by lightning at the end of Part II. He isn't going 88 when he travels in time (which is a requirement to push through the time portal). The stated solution, by the filmmakers, is that the "99" fire trails in the sky are to represent the delorian rotating on its axis at an 88 mph equivalent. But that really doesn't work if you think about it too hard, at the very least the massive acceleration g-force would definitely kill Doc.

That’s totally fair

 

[batguy]

No, the real issue is Doc getting struck by lightning at the end of Part II. He isn't going 88 when he travels in time (which is a requirement to push through the time portal). The stated solution, by the filmmakers, is that the "99" fire trails in the sky are to represent the delorian rotating on its axis at an 88 mph equivalent. But that really doesn't work if you think about it too hard, at the very least the massive acceleration g-force would definitely kill Doc.

Go back to my theory about 88 mph being a compromise of speed vs electric power.

1.21 gigawatts is not a set finite amount that every lighting strike makes. Some strikes make a lot more. So, if the wattage of the lightning strike at the end of BTTF#2 happened to be a lot higher, then the minimum time-traveling speed could be lower. Doc could be knocked back to 1885 without the full 88 mph.

This theory also opens up a bit of fudge-room for the ending scene of the first movie. The DeLorean's hook still had to hit the cable at the perfect time (a major plausibility problem) but Marty didn't have to nail the 88 mph exactly.



If you really wanna collapse the logic of the entire franchise, then start thinking about the fact that the earth & solar system & galaxy are all moving. Doc's dog Einstein only traveled 1 minute into the future in that mall parking lot, but the earth itself moved a long way during that minute. Every time-trip would leave you in the middle of space.

Time & space & gravity are inter-related. I think you could rationalize around this problem. Somehow the time-tripping is locked to the planet. Either the workings of the forces or maybe something Doc did.

(Uh-oh . . . how many DeLoreans and how many dogs ended up in space before Doc figured out why they weren't coming back?)

 

[blewis17]

Go back to my theory about 88 mph being a compromise of speed vs electric power.

1.21 gigawatts is not a set finite amount that every lighting strike makes. Some strikes make a lot more. So, if the wattage of the lightning strike at the end of BTTF#2 happened to be a lot higher, then the minimum time-traveling speed could be lower. Doc could be knocked back to 1885 without the full 88 mph.

This theory also opens up a bit of fudge-room for the ending scene of the first movie. The DeLorean's hook still had to hit the cable at the perfect time (a major plausibility problem) but Marty didn't have to nail the 88 mph exactly.



If you really wanna collapse the logic of the entire franchise, then start thinking about the fact that the earth & solar system & galaxy are all moving. Doc's dog Einstein only traveled 1 minute into the future in that mall parking lot, but the earth itself moved a long way during that minute. Every time-trip would leave you in the middle of space.

Time & space & gravity are inter-related. I think you could rationalize around this problem. Somehow the time-tripping is locked to the planet. Either the workings of the forces or maybe something Doc did.

(Uh-oh . . . how many DeLoreans and how many dogs ended up in space before Doc figured out why they weren't coming back?)

Exactly. Doc's line "If my calculations are correct, when this baby reaches 88 miles per hour..." could encompass the calculation to place the time vehicle at the new corresponding GPS coordinates, taking into account the earth's rotation around its axis, as well as its displacement from the point of origin as it revolves around the sun. Especially when you are traveling, decades, centuries, or eons through time!

 

[drusselmeyer]

Bttf: -GPS was not accurate or complete. -1955 leaded gas might not be the best thing for a fuel injected engine. How did Biff return to his own 2015 when Marty and doc couldn't? -ane finally: couldn't doc Brown just adjust the time circuits to say 38 rather than 88?

Blade Runner: has no one asked the question: Replicants are more human than human and they have a four year life span...so what do you call a four year old human? What did the hero do as soon as he got his hands on one?
Can we blame anyone who responds to this with: "Eew, gross." ?

 

[Treadwell]

Biff returned before the ripples had taken full effect. They were kicking in just as he returned, which is why he was in such distress, and disappeared altogether in a cut scene.

The time circuits need the speed they need, it's not adjustable.

I've wondered about the gas thing, too. I just googled it, and it should work no problem, it just might gum up or damage plugs and valve stems long term.

 

[Lightning]

How did Biff return to his own 2015 when Marty and doc couldn't?

To further answer this one, the timeline began to change around Marty and Doc after they left the house, and the neighborhood, already being run down, was virtually identical in both timelines. Biff began to disappear as soon as he got back, he was dead in this timeline, Bob Gale says Lorraine shot him in the mid 90s.


My question is, if Biff disappears because his 2015A self is dead, what happened to 2015A Doc and Marty, the ones institutionalized and at boarding school, respectively, when our Doc and Marty appear in 1985A? Are they there the whole time? Did they fade away?

 

[AJK001]

My head hurts. And no I was not out partying last night.