Kadajiroth
Sr Member
Wow, that is truly horrible, haha.
They RECAST my Golden Guns??? Ick!
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I love how the barrel is curved. How would it ever shoot straight ?
Not to mention the inconvenience when signing your name! :lol
The guy selling it is from Denmark, not Sweden, as can be seen in the auction listing. I don't know him either but I think I recall him looking for a Golden Gun replica a while back on the Swedish prop form mentioned.
So Outlander, your derogatory image doesn't fit. Wrong country, BORK BORK BORK! (And when visiting, don't forget to buy your copy of "Hur man kommer undan Isbjörnar!" or "How to Escape Polar Bears!". ISBN 1234567896660 Essential reading if ya wanna survive up here in the cold, Norse climate.) I keed, I keed.:lol
As to his spelling... not everyone is well versed in other languages. The word "attrapp" basically means "non functional dummy".
Also, one thing you have to understand (and I'm not defending this guy in particular because I don't know the specifics surrounding the replica he is selling) is that outside of the "regular" prop forums, the word "recast" has absolutely no meaning. I know about it and detest it because I know what it entails and am an active member here. We're so focused on our little community bubble that we often don't realize that the rest of the world (or in this case... probably a more casual prop collector) doesn't have the same insight or point of view, yet we are still quick to judge them by OUR standards and rules. This guy, for example, doesn't seem too adept at English and as a consequence probably isn't a member of a lot of prop forums. Is it strange that he would know nothing about recasting and how we view it?
It may well be that this guy is making casts... or it may not. Perhaps we shouldn't automatically set the pitchforks on every person that sells something sketchy on the 'bay.
I'm just sayin'....
So Outlander, your derogatory image doesn't fit. Wrong country, BORK BORK BORK! (And when visiting, don't forget to buy your copy of "Hur man kommer undan Isbjörnar!" or "How to Escape Polar Bears!". ISBN 1234567896660 Essential reading if ya wanna survive up here in the cold, Norse climate.) I keed, I keed.:lol
As to his spelling... not everyone is well versed in other languages. The word "attrapp" basically means "non functional dummy".
Also, one thing you have to understand (and I'm not defending this guy in particular because I don't know the specifics surrounding the replica he is selling) is that outside of the "regular" prop forums, the word "recast" has absolutely no meaning. I know about it and detest it because I know what it entails and am an active member here. We're so focused on our little community bubble that we often don't realize that the rest of the world (or in this case... probably a more casual prop collector) doesn't have the same insight or point of view, yet we are still quick to judge them by OUR standards and rules. This guy, for example, doesn't seem too adept at English and as a consequence probably isn't a member of a lot of prop forums. Is it strange that he would know nothing about recasting and how we view it?
It may well be that this guy is making casts... or it may not. Perhaps we shouldn't automatically set the pitchforks on every person that sells something sketchy on the 'bay.
I'm just sayin'....
scarf man
Master Member
Not pichtforks, lightsabers
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SD Studios
Well-Known Member
This is a very good point!
When I used to design MR replicas, if I didn't follow the "way it should be done" a lot of people here had a hissy fit. But who says the "RPF way" is always the correct one? It is a glorified chat room..."Get over yourself" as my wife always says. :lol
We ALL forget that there is a much larger world out there that DOESN'T follow the "RPF laws and precepts".
I did a presentation at SD Comicon a few years back. There was (I am guessing) about 500 or 600 people in the room. I asked everyone who was a member of a prop collecting forum...or ever heard of one...or even KNEW anyone who was a member, to raise their hands.
IIRC, it was about 9 or 10 people that raised their hands. Out of 5 or 6 hundred.
We aren't as well-known as we all think we are. :rolleyes
HOWEVER, I think it is Universally understood that you don't dip licensed replicas in rubber and pull castings from the resultant molds. I doubt that is a "gray area" in anyone's mind. Whoever did it, probably knew full-well it was a no-no.
Even if he didn't know it as "recasting" (tm & C 2009 RPF, Inc; All rights reserved)
Or the RPF-past-tense, not-a-real word..."recasted" :lol
When I used to design MR replicas, if I didn't follow the "way it should be done" a lot of people here had a hissy fit. But who says the "RPF way" is always the correct one? It is a glorified chat room..."Get over yourself" as my wife always says. :lol
We ALL forget that there is a much larger world out there that DOESN'T follow the "RPF laws and precepts".
I did a presentation at SD Comicon a few years back. There was (I am guessing) about 500 or 600 people in the room. I asked everyone who was a member of a prop collecting forum...or ever heard of one...or even KNEW anyone who was a member, to raise their hands.
IIRC, it was about 9 or 10 people that raised their hands. Out of 5 or 6 hundred.
We aren't as well-known as we all think we are. :rolleyes
HOWEVER, I think it is Universally understood that you don't dip licensed replicas in rubber and pull castings from the resultant molds. I doubt that is a "gray area" in anyone's mind. Whoever did it, probably knew full-well it was a no-no.
Even if he didn't know it as "recasting" (tm & C 2009 RPF, Inc; All rights reserved)
Or the RPF-past-tense, not-a-real word..."recasted" :lol
I would certainly think so as well. (Especially these days with all the talk about pirated media... pirated cell phones... pirated clothes.) I just reacted because it seemed we were automatically blaming the guy in Denmark without really knowing anything.
TV8
Well-Known Member
First I don't condone people taking a mold of someone elses work, casting it, then selling it for profit. That's just dishonourable behaviour and I fully endorse the general feeling about this on the RPF and the RPF mods' view on this.
But...
Aren't those of us making such things as this gun or a Vader helmet and selling them here doing exactly that (casting and selling) at the expense of LFL or the James Bond people? I suppose the answer is (at least with LFL) we have a sort of implied consent demonstrated by Lucas' endorsement of the 501st and all the charity work/free press and goodwill the 501st generate. From a legal point of view, we are given a lot of free reign by copyright owners. Just my 2c.
But...
Aren't those of us making such things as this gun or a Vader helmet and selling them here doing exactly that (casting and selling) at the expense of LFL or the James Bond people? I suppose the answer is (at least with LFL) we have a sort of implied consent demonstrated by Lucas' endorsement of the 501st and all the charity work/free press and goodwill the 501st generate. From a legal point of view, we are given a lot of free reign by copyright owners. Just my 2c.
outlander
Sr Member
Nice job of playing the "Devil's Advocate" :angry and the old thousand shades of gray so he who hasn't sinned can cast the first stone at glass houses that everybody else but me lives in except my friends and anyone cooking me up a cool prop in their black pot that the kettle called a black marked-up prop that I really, really want....
That bull**** has been going around here since the '90s so let's not start.
The quick and final answer is that S.D. Studios had the Bond licence when they produced that prop. To make a mold of it, cast it, and sell it is a sin against the hobby and motivated by a thirst for profit. I don't care if he's your buddy or you sort of "know him in passing" and "he's never ripped me off!"
"Recasting" is done by talentless hacks who do not have the skill to produce original works of their own or even to replicate the work of others and it is supported by avarice filled little greedheads who want a material object so badly that they are willing to compromise the morals and ethics they have been taught in order to obtain a copy of a copy.
To make a replica of something is different. It's what we do here and if you have a problem with the practice you should not visit this board. It's in the title.
That bull**** has been going around here since the '90s so let's not start.
The quick and final answer is that S.D. Studios had the Bond licence when they produced that prop. To make a mold of it, cast it, and sell it is a sin against the hobby and motivated by a thirst for profit. I don't care if he's your buddy or you sort of "know him in passing" and "he's never ripped me off!"
"Recasting" is done by talentless hacks who do not have the skill to produce original works of their own or even to replicate the work of others and it is supported by avarice filled little greedheads who want a material object so badly that they are willing to compromise the morals and ethics they have been taught in order to obtain a copy of a copy.
To make a replica of something is different. It's what we do here and if you have a problem with the practice you should not visit this board. It's in the title.
Darth Lars
Master Member
:lol :thumbsup
That made me chuckle for a full minute.
SD Studios
Well-Known Member
Jeff...
Your post was kind of vague. Could you please clarify? I am not sure where you stand on this issue. :lol
Well, it went for $64. The licensed replicas were $675.
You DO "get what you pay for"...
Your post was kind of vague. Could you please clarify? I am not sure where you stand on this issue. :lol
Well, it went for $64. The licensed replicas were $675.
You DO "get what you pay for"...
TV8
Well-Known Member
Outlander - what is with this rant directed at me? Read my post again. I described recasting as dishonorable behavior and marked my disapproval of it. Then I said I was thankful that we are given free reign to make the props we make when the law would likely not fall in our favor if the copyright owner of any given prop decided to take issue with what we do. I do not know the recaster in question here and I state again, I do not agree with recasting. I have not ever and never would purchase recast props.
And I do not appreciate being told that I should not visit this forum because of these views.
And I do not appreciate being told that I should not visit this forum because of these views.
