The Wrestling Thread

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  1. abwchris

    abwchris Active Member

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    Noticed there isn't one dedicated thread to pro wrestling so it'd be nice to have one thread dedicated to everything pro wrestling whether it be WWE, NJPW, ROH, TNA, etc.

    To me this Wrestlemania season has lagged behind pretty much every Mania season I can remember since the mid 90's.

    Reigns just is not ready for the WWE throne yet.He doesn't have a grasp of who his character is yet and neither does management.

    Bryan and Ziggler deserve a singles match at Mania and to not be thrown in a cluster**** of a match for the IC title.

    The Battle Royale will likely be boring, the Divas tag match could be good but its still a Divas tag match.

    Sting/HHH is 10 years too late, Rollins/Orton pretty much had their blow off last night with Orton destroying Rollins. That is the one feud that had the most potential but the poor booking since Orton came back has destroyed the heat for the rivalry.

    Wyatt/Taker could be good but Taker looked soooooooooo old last year. I just hope he can still bring it. But either way some of the spectacle is gone with the streak ending.

    The best case scenario if Lesnar leaves is to have Reigns beat him and have Rollins cash in.
     
  2. Rupert_Angier

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    I have the WWE Network, but primarily use it for watching old wrestling matches (mostly Flair, Steamboat, and Rude matches).

    I'm actually looking forward to the Hunter/ Sting match, even though it's ten years too late.

    For the Reigns/ Lesnar bout, I'm hoping that Paul Heyman turns on Lesnar and aligns himself with Reigns.
     
  3. Nth

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    I can't comment on WWE anymore, I really haven't watched it since Bret Hart left. But I love me some AJPW, NOAH, NJPW and the Japanese Indy's. In my opinion the greatest wrestling matches in the industry took place in 1990's AJPW. I had been completely finished with Pro Wrestling until I discovered Mitsuharu Misawa. His professional and personal rivalry with his high school friend Toshiaki Kawada rejuvenated my love of wrestling. Also started getting into the wrestling games like Fire Pro Wrestling and the King of Colosseum series and eventually became more versed in Puroresu than western wrestling. Couldn't tell you a thing about what's going on stateside, but I'm still simulating full leagues through Fire Pro Wrestling Returns.

    If WWE2K16 fixes the neutered CAW mode 2K15 has I 'may' give it a try. If I like the game I could start watching WWE again.
     
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  4. jlee562

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    Oh god I'm so mad at WWE.

    So like I live in the bay area, right, and of course I bought tickets to 'Mania early.

    Not only am I a huge Daniel Bryan fan, because, duh, everyone is a huge Daniel Bryan fan, but I've loved the Japanese style forever and watched him in ROH. Saw his dark match before RAW (the night Jericho put HBK through the Jeri-tron), and have been following his WWE career ever since. Not only was it the right thing to do for the FANS, it was the logical storyline since Daniel Bryan never lost the title. Lance Storm pointed out in his commentary too, that WWE basically set up the backlash against Roman Reigns themselves from last year's storyline which was all about the Authority choosing "the face of the WWE," over Bryan. Now flash forward to this year, where Bryan returns and is still SUPER over and a lot of people are seeing a repeat.

    They had better resign Lesnar. But even then I'm worried about the quality of the match. Reigns had his best match against Bryan, because duh, he's Daniel Bryan. He can't work a 20 minute match. Brock can, but unless I'm mistaken, he's not exactly known as a "ring general," who calls matches. Reigns sure as hell isn't.

    Misawa was the ****. Even when he was old and fat he still put on better matches than most. My favorite Japanese wrestler is still Hayabusa though.

    The new nXt product on the network now is actually pretty good. Solid focus on in-ring action. They have Finn Balor (aka Prince Devitt), Kevin Owens (aka Kevin Steen), Sami Zayn (formerly El Generico), and Hideo Itami (aka KENTA) wrestling down there now and it's pretty good stuff.
     
  5. Nth

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    Two great wrestling tragedies right there. Misawa was so close to retiring when he died. Eiji Ezaki seems to be doing pretty well these days though. Considering his situation he got off really lucky.
     
  6. Usagi Pilgrim

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    I'm thinking that the highlight will still be the Wyatt/Taker match. From the BTS stuff I've read, WWE has the confidence that Wyatt can work the match well enough to make Taker look good. The match he had with Bryan last year was a highlight for me.

    I grew up watching NWA here in NC, & Blackjack Mulligan was my all time favorite. I got to see him wrestle Tony Atlas at the Dorton Arena in Raleigh, when I was about 7. To see Bray carry on the tradition is a great thing in my book.
     
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  7. SSgt Burton

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    Well I grew up with wrestling in the mid 70s, through the 80s to 1990.

    Hulkamania was running wild, "Hot Rod" Roddy Piper was the baddest of the bad, and it was more about what happened in the ring than the drama between matches.

    My favorite wrestlers were the British Bulldogs and in particular The Dynamite Kid. I loved their matches against Greg Valentine and Brutus Beefcake and the Hart Foundation. I was gutted when The Dynamite Kid ruined his back and could not wrestle anymore.

    One of my favourite fueds was the Macho Man/Ricky Steamboat bouts- The finale at Wrestlemania III definitely was one of the best matches I ever saw. That was 1987.

    By 1990 the Bulldogs were gone, Hulk Hogan took a break, and I had become disinterested in wrestling. I took a twelve year hiatus from watching. Missed all the Degeneration X stuff.

    In 2002 I started watching again... Just in time to hear about the death of Davey Boy Smith- one half of my favourites the Bulldogs. I watched for another year or so in the "Attitude" era, (I did enjoy the "Tough Enough" reality competitions) then stopped completely once again.

    I bought myself a replica WWF 80s era Intercontinental Championship belt and 2000s era Tag Team belt... One of these days I'll spend a small fortune on a Winged Eagle Heavyweight Championship belt. :)


    Kevin
     
  8. abwchris

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    Unless something changes, stay far, far away from WWE right now. I am only watching through 'Mania season and then I am taking a break. In a different forum I basically said that other than a few hiccups here and there I have watched WWE continuously for 25 years now and they do not appreciate me as a customer with the way the company has been booked lately.

    Reigns is in no way shape or form over enough to be the face of the company. Say what you want about Cena, I know I have, but the dude was super over when he was first pushed to the moon and could talk a great game. Reigns has the talking ability of Mike Adamle.....

    They have a guy in Bryan who is more over than anybody since the Attitude Era and yet Vince denies the fans what they want because of his ego.

    The relationship between WWE and myself was always a fun one until about 2005. Since then it has become broken. I equate my relationship with WWE to this: Over the last decade I order 1 cheese pizza a week from the same place but 9/10 times they send me a sausage pizza. When I call to complain the owner screams at me and tells me I am wrong and that I don't want a cheese pizza, I want a sausage pizza. But for some reason I keep ordering from the same place....

    I'm taking a WWE break after Mania (except NXT) and sticking to the indies and some Japan stuff here and there.
     
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  9. abwchris

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    I love the replica belts I had. Bought an Attitude Era World and ECW World. Sold them right after college when I needed some quick cash. Since I have regretted it and plan on getting some replicas eventually. The Winged Eagle and 80's-90's IC title's were always my favorite.
     
  10. abwchris

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    I got to see Bryan wrestle his last indy match against Moxley (Ambrose) in Milwaukee at a DragonGate show. First time seeing him live and it was amazing.

    As for Reigns/Lesnar, the crowd is going to be 100% behind Lesnar. The venom that is going to be hurled at Reigns will be ridiculous. IMO I believe there are only two ways the crowd won't crap on the outcome: Lesnar resigns and beats Reigns and then they properly build up Reigns over the summer to a main event level. The other outcome, and more realistic if you ask me, would be Reigns beating Lesnar and Rollins cashing in.
     
  11. Rupert_Angier

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    I would love to own a replica of the NWA's World Heavyweight Championship Belt, aka "The Big Gold Belt", aka Flair's belt. Wooooooooo!
     
  12. jlee562

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    Me too! I hate how the WWE had devalued the "World Heavyweight Championship" before they unified them. That was always one of my favorite belts. The Winged Eagle is a classic too. Bret Hart was my fave as a kid and that was HIS belt (to me anyway).
     
  13. abwchris

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    I find the new world title to look ridiculous. I wanted the spinner to die a horrible, horrible death, and while the new one is better, it is only marginally better. Belts like the Winged Eagle, 80's-90's IC, European, Big Gold, WCW US, etc, were all awesome titles. Glad they at least brought back the classic IC.
     
  14. Rupert_Angier

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    if I remember correctly, it was Cody Rodes that lobbied hard to bring back the classic look, and even paid to have one made. I'm glad that the "E" is attempting to bring back the prestige that title once held.

    What kind of bugs me about the Reigns situation is that people went crazy when he didn't win the Royal Rumble back in 2014 to go on to Wrestlemania. Now that he is the guy to face Lesnar (after an impressive match against the Goat), the IWC is upset. Is he ready? Most likely not, but neither was Dwayne when the WWF pushed him hard on the fans.
     
  15. jlee562

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    Nah, but people were still more upset in the 2014 Rumble that Daniel Bryan wasn't even in it. That's how Mysterio got booed so hard when he came out at #30. People kept thinking they were going to send Bryan out, but they didn't. I think Roman got the rub from Bryan not being in it, that Ziggler, Ambrose, etc, got this year from Bryan being dumped. They were the only guys that got good pops after Bryan was dumped.
     
  16. niennumb1

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    Shouldn't people just be angry at the fight choreographer and not the wrestlers themselves for putting on a lackluster show?
     
  17. jlee562

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    That's not how wrestling works. Aside from a few notable exceptions (Steamboat vs Savage, Wrestlemania III being the most infamous), matches aren't choreographed as such. Different people will work a match differently, but generally speaking, the match is "called" in the ring. Sometimes there are specific sequences planned out, and nowadays there's usually a specific ending sequence, but getting from point A, to point B, to point C, is generally at the discretion of the wrestlers in the ring. They have to react to how the crowd is reacting to the match to either ramp up, or slow down the action.
     
  18. niennumb1

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    Okay. Well I worked video crew with Wrestlemania XIX and remember The Rock and Steve Austin all buddy/buddying going over their moves in the ring long before anyone was let in the center along with Undertaker practicing his entrance via motorcycle and Fred Durst doing some intro he was involved in back in the day.It looked pretty rehearsed to me, but maybe they were just working out portions of it then....

    I know physically they are doing stuff to each other and it definitely takes a big toll on the body, that's for sure.
     
  19. JoeG

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    Some NSFW language, but I thought those of you in here would get a kick out of this

     
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  20. Wes R

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    There's no denying the dangers of things going wrong in the ring or the toll it takes, just look at the Iron Sheik for that one. I miss the old WWF of the 80s and early 90s. The silly over the top storylines and characters who weren't all dark and serious. I need to see if the old wrestlemanias are on dvd. I remember sundays around 1 or maybe earlier WWF would be on and some guy in red shorts nobody heard of would get smacked around by a big name and then you'd have a few big names against each other. My dad and I went to a match on the YSU campus in the late 80s i guess it was and we got 4th row from the ring. It was back when Big Bossman was still wrestling and doing ball and chain matches.
     
  21. Nth

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    There is a Wrestlemania Anthology and a Royal Rumble Anthology. I bought used ones on Ebay years ago. I watch from the 80's up to the early 90's. I've never even taken the DVD's of the newer Wrestlemania's and Royal Rumbles out the cases.

    More love from Japan, because if you don't know who Kenta Kobashi is, you can't call yourself a wrestling fan.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYQzcfVeUnE

    Also wanted to give credit to not only the two wrestlers who got me back into wrestling, but also the match as well, in this great tribute video someone made.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhOHSkriUzc

    And I completely forgot to mention the Joshi (Women's) wrestling when I was listing my favs. I know the western wrestling has the whole Diva thing, but... they're just so bad at what they do.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fia-q-lxdWA




     
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  22. abwchris

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    I lol'd at this

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  24. jlee562

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    Not that you'll really be able to see me...but if you see this shirt in the crowd at mania, you'll know who it is ;)[​IMG]
     
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    That video is great. On a different note, I was in Philly at the Rumble. The feeling in the crown when Bryan got eliminated was nuts. (just about) Everyone in that place was *, and at that second, we KNEW the outcome, even though it was obvious going into it. I think WWE's best bet would have been to keep Bryan out of the Rumble, keep him off tv until after the Rumble, and then bring him back, that way he wouldn't have been in contention, and people wouldn't have gotten their hopes up. I like Roman, I really do. But I honestly don't think he's ready yet. But in his defense, how will we know if he IS ready if he isn't given a shot. With the reactions he and Brock are getting, it may be a good idea to make Brock the babyface and Roman the heel going into Mania. People want to cheer Lesnar anyway, its hard to boo a guy who is legit. He doesn't need to cheat, he says he will beat some one, and then he does. Then later down the road, transition Reigns back to being a face.

     
  26. abwchris

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    Last night might have been the worst go home show I have watched in years. Seriously, wtf was that ending!? Brock and Roman having a tug of war over the belt. Come on. Vince please retire.....

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  27. Rupert_Angier

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    I would love to see Lesnar against Tonga Fifita, aka, Haku (while the latter was in his prime) in a brawl. My money would be on Tonga.
     
  28. abwchris

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    Lesnar signed a three year deal with WWE last night! Thank baby Jesus, we may be spared the torture of watching Reigns with the title before he is truly ready.
     
  29. jlee562

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    Oh I would never net against Haku based on all the stories I've heard. Glad to hear Brock re-signed. He's been a good champion.
     
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    I'm not holding my breath. At least the option is there now, and most people want Lesnar to retain, but I think Vince McMahon is still stubbornly set on pushing Reigns. I'd be pleasantly surprised to see anyone but Reigns leave WM as champ.
     
  31. jlee562

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    If they're really set on putting the belt on reigns, they better turn him heel. The mania crowd, and certainly the raw crowd the next day, are going to cheer Lesnar and boo Reigns.
     
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    I think they painted them selves into a corner making Lesnar champ. The WWE has no one that can challenge him and I don't see them getting anyone for a long time. I certainly don't think they really have anyone on the roster right now that could do it, they need to bring in some new talent.
     
  33. abwchris

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    My buddy and I were talking about this the other day. Nobody on the roster is at that level other than Hunter and Cena, there really isn't anyone else on the roster that could believably beat Lesnar unless it's a screwjob finish, i.e. Rollins cashing in.

    I do feel though IMO, one of a few things will happen at or after Mania, one of a few different things could happen. Reigns could turn heel, align with Paul and take out Brock that way. Brock or Reigns wins and Rollins cashes in. The one I think makes the most sense though is having Lesnar beat Reigns and then you have one year to take a swing at the "Reigns Reclamation Project" and build him up the way he needs to be and take on Lesnar next year at Mania.

    I wouldn't be surprised if they keep the title on Lesnar until Mania next year just to spite Punk and his modern day title record.

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    I am actually giddy at the thought of how merciless the crowd will be towards Reigns on both nights! Not even Reigns' fault but the crowd is booing and spewing hate at him because he is basically Vince's avatar now to the crowd.
     
  34. abwchris

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    This is basically the first Mania in decades that I am not looking forward to. But Lesnar resigning has made me feel just a little sliver of hope that Mania won't end in some sort of Vince muscle fetish fantasy with Reigns as the man who slayed the monster standing over Lesnar while his Herbal Essences hair blows around like a faux Fabio for Vince's spank bank.

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  35. Frosteon

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    I first got into wrestling in '99 and was hooked. The attitude era was, to me, the best time in wrestling. Yeah, I liked WCW too, yet WWF (as it was at the time) had me hooked.
    Wrestling these days is all mostly boring. One notable difference among many between back then and now is that you had guys like Stone Cold, Triple H, The Rock, Undertaker, Kane, Jericho, and Kurt Angle all going for the top belt in the company. (WWF) while in WCW We had Goldberg, Sid Vicious, Kevin Nash, Jeff Jarrett, Booker T, Scott Steiner, Hulk Hogan, Sting. Even the mid card wrestlers back then mattered because They were made to matter. The whole show mattered. Not just some boring main event like we get these days. Edge and Christian, The Dudley Boys, The Hardy Boys. For the last decade practically, it's been John Cena or Randy Orton, and sometimes Edge. And to be quite honest, I'd say '06 and '07 were probably the best post-attitude era years the WWE had, and John Cena was actually half way watchable then. I'm probably in the minority here when I say I find Daniel Bryan overrated. I'll agree though that Vince needs to step down, as does Triple H and Stephanie. Although if I have to say something good about WWE at all, I will say that I was a fan of Alberto Del Rio when he was still with the business, and Wade Barrett definitely deserved a better push than what he's gotten. Roman Reigns is ok, The Usos are ok as far as tag teams. I may still watch on some occasions just to see how Undertaker and Kane are doing, or when The Rock, Sting or The nWo make an appearance. And speaking of the nWo.. I met Scott Norton several years ago, and he introduced me to NJPW. I've watched several of his matches on youtube with The Great Muta, Masahiro Chono, and several others. I'm impressed enough with NJPW that I'd order some of their DVDs if I could find them. As far as TNA goes, I think it's slowly dying. I did attend TNA Sacrifice 2011 and had a great time, though. On the off chance someone else was there, I was the loudest guy in the audience cheering for Sting. LOL
     
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  36. abwchris

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    That was an OK Mania. Nothing spectacular. Lot of time between matches.

    Glad Reigns didn't win, would have preferred Lesnar retain. Rollins cashing in and making it a triple threat and winning on the surface seems like a good outcome. Dig deeper though and you realize that this makes it easier to out the belt on Reigns or back on Cena...
     
  37. abwchris

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    Ratings:

    Tag Title Match: 2.5/5 - Kind of a cluster blank at times but I am glad the Brass Ring Club won.

    Andre Battle Royale: 2/5 - Full disclosure I hate all battle royales except the Rumble so this isn't a fair rating but Big Show winning? They played up that he never won a battle roayle but....World War 3 '96 anyone?

    Side note: Goldust/Stardust and Miz/Mizdow deserved their own matches on the card.

    IC Ladder match: 3/5 - Solid yet unspectacular. Seen worse, seen better. Glad Bryan won.

    Orton/Rollins: 3.5/5 - The RKO made the match. Good blowoff to a feud that wasn't as hot as it should have been.

    Sting/HHH: 3/5 - It was fun and overbooked to the max. Sting should've won but was good for what it was...old guys having fun.

    Divas Tag: 3/5 - Could've used more time, seemed like a Raw or Smack down match but rather have that than no diva match or a diva match with celebs.

    Rusev/Cena: 3.5/5 - Really good match but why turn Lana face? Cena will drop the strap in a month or two and shovel his way back into the WHC scene.

    Rousey Segment: This was fun, too long but fun. Rousey seemed to have a blast.

    Taker/Wyatt: 3.5/5 - Taker looked leagues better than last year. Good match but you could tell they took it easier than most Taker Mania matches.

    Lesnar/Reigns: 4/5 - The booking was actually really good for this match. Both guys looked great. Lesnar the beast, Reigns the underdog.

    Shared my thoughts before and am glad Rollins won but I weep for the future.

    (Adam Sessler voice)Overall Mania 31 gets a solid 3 out of 5 (/Adam Sessler voice)
     
  38. jlee562

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    I had a blast! My friend and I went to our first mania at 26 in Phoenix. We went to the ROH show that weekend where Tyler Black was headlining as champion. So it was really cool to see him leave this mania with the WWE title.

    Sting looked better than all of his matches in TNA. Really thought he should have gone over. The run ins made no sense from a story line perspective (umm...the Kliq was just on stage together last night....), the crowd was hot for the match. I popped when Hogan came out with the nWo. Before they came out I was expecting Booker to run in (couldn't think of any other WCW guys!)

    The last RKO out of the curb stomp was a thing of beauty.

    Lesnar is totally a beast. Even from way up high, you can tell he is such a massive human being. Don't know how the commentary came off, but Reigns' facial expressions seemed really weird. Still think he needs a lot of work. Definitely interested to see where they go now with Lesnar.
     
  39. abwchris

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    So AJ Lee retired today. Can't say its surprising with the whole Punk situation.
     
  40. abwchris

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    WWE actually put Kevin Owens over clean against Cena. Never thought I'd see the day.
     
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    For those who didn't see it The American Dream Dusty Rhodes died today :(
     
  42. Rupert_Angier

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    That's some hard times, daddy. RIP Dusty Rhodes.
     
  43. Sundowner

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    Looking forward to this!

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    Each year my friends and I dress like rednecks and have a good 'ol time
     
  44. jlee562

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    RIP Dusty, what a legend.

    I'm just old enough to have caught his later WWF stuff in the polka dots. Of course I've since gone back and watched his body of work; but, man, what a wrestler.
     

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