The SFS stormtrooper helmet replica, new and improved.

WANT!! looks great...is it possible.that chip gino showed occurred after the helmet had been scanned?

Actually, in looking back over my ref for the helmet, even before Matt had the helmet in his possession (during which it was scanned by GG), that chip was there. I can't explain the discrepancy, but as was pointed out, 3D scanning isn't perfect. We saw that plenty when MR scanned the Fett helmet. There were a number of touchups that had to be made but that is to be expected in any 3D scan and doesn't detract from what Carsten has.
 
Then how does the scan complete the tube stripe? Wouldn't it just show a blank spot? Or 1 would think it would.

I can only assume some minimal cleanup was done as I have a photo of the helmet long before it was scanned and the chip is there. I know with the Boba helmet, quite a bit of cleanup was done in areas where the scan had issues. Maybe that crease had an issue and in cleaning it up that chip was removed. I really couldn't say. I wasn't there when the helmet was scanned. I can only confirm the chip was there when it was scanned.

NOTE: when I say "cleanup" I don't mean removing detail... clearly this helmet still has all the bumps and ugliness of the original... I mean issues within the scan itself.
 
It is my opinion that people put way more faith in laser scanning technology than they should.
It is by far not a perfect medium for replicating and will never be better than actual silicone touching the part.

Also, there is inevitable human error that comes into play as well when correcting flaws in the actual scan.

People's perceptions are that laser scanning can produce perfect duplicates in the real world.
But it can't.
It's not the same thing as a 'replicator' in Star Trek.
The more you understand this particular technology, the more you understand the advantages/disadvantages.

For example, observe some of the painted details.
It appears that the tubestripes and trap details are actually significantly raised off the surface on the scan modeling and subsequent print.

On that original helmet, they are not nearly as raised (if at all).


You can see that on the original, there is a paint flake on the front tube stripe, whereas on the scan, the front tube stripe is intact.
Something is amiss.

Here's a hi-res pic of the original SFS helmet at almost eye level showing what I mean.

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Laser scanning and printing is great and can be used very effectively in certain applications.
But to say that it can create perfect tangible replicas is not quite accurate.
It will never be able to accurately print surface nuances. That is one of the greatest limitations of this technology.


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But you can sand it off carefully, can´t you?
 
a great looking helmet.

laser scanning is one of the great new technologies for us collectors.
looking forward to some new treads for mini helmets.

the problem with the raised strips is from the scanning process but it only shows that no whitening spray or something else was used
thats common so the object gets no damage, it could be altered later or with some modifications on the process changed.

but to say that will never get surface nuances is simply wrong
 
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Are these going to be made avalible?
Either way a very nice peice
In the pic , its the same helmet?
why are the srews in difrent position ?
 
Well, it was a deliberate decision to mod the tube stripes on the large scale print, due to the limitations of scanning on a non-uniform colored and sheen surface. Gloss surfaces has a tendency to give false positives or whatever it's called, where it's difficult for the laser and camera to pick up a plane surface, which explains why the tube stripes are looking so rough on the surface rather then smooth.

Yes, there are limitations with scanning, but that chip IS in the scan. It was just decided to raise the tube stripes so it would be possible to clean up that gonk later. Deliberate decision and isn't dissimilar from cleaning up molds for sharper vac-forming.

In the pic , its the same helmet?
why are the srews in difrent position ?
The ears were removed on the original for molding.
 
I was given a souvenir of the mini test print. Even at this scale the level of detail is evident. This is a quick and dirty version, which was pulled to see what the scan could produce. It's a little warped in the crown etc and has small air bubbles and not nearly as perfect as what will later be printed off the scan, nor as perfect as what Carsten is showing since it was just a test pull. I can only say that this version will be unlike anything that is currently out there. The angles aren't perfect, but you get the picture.

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The best and most accurate replica I've seen to date. Definitely miles ahead of what's out there now.​
It's true that the scan is not perfect, but neither are the other methods, but it's obvious that the scan is closer to ''perfect'', than what's currently out there desperately trying to pass itself off as perfect.​
It's about time.​
Thanks for sharing this, Too Much Garlic​
The mini-helmet idea is cool, key chains wouldn't be a bad idea either.
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Nah it's gonna suck because the laser scan was on the outside and not the inside. Like I mentioned earlier if these were offered in .45 scale to go with my other MR helmets I would be all over this.
 
Nah it's gonna suck because the laser scan was on the outside and not the inside. Like I mentioned earlier if these were offered in .45 scale to go with my other MR helmets I would be all over this.

If EFx was smart they would scan several helmets in the archive and do a new scaled line.

I HATED the MR scaled helmets and had no desire to own any of them. Something like this? That would be AWESOME!

It looks like the "problem" with this scanning tech is it picks up TOO much detail. Meaning it takes the color diff, shadows or whatever and sees them as 3d shapes. Like the tubestripes. They were obviously flat on the surface. The closeup pics Gino posted show that.

But just like has been said about ANY technique when copying something like this... there WILL be some clean up. You can NOT say this thing is WAAY off. :rolleyes But there are obvious discrepencies too.

Either way this tech has certainly come a LONG way. And seeing this thing is truly jaw dropping. Glad everyone else is getting a chance to see what you guys are doing. It IS awesome. (y)thumbsup
 
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There is only steps forward in terms of accuracy and this is definitely a nice step. I look forward to updates.

@Oldken..yeah unfortunately the MR helmets weren't the best offering at .45 scale but they were the only offering. If it was cost effective I would scan my Altmans to add to.45 collection. I heard there wasn't much demand for the .45 collection. Is it because the offerings sucked?
 
Well, I'm honestly not here to compete with anybody about what is best. I'm just here to show off what *I* like and think is the ultimate piece *for me*. That's about all that matters to me.

There are issues with scanning, when not scanning a uniformly light flat colored surface. There are ways to do that without harming the original piece, but, like anything, you have to factor in the risks. If you can get a decent near perfect 95%-99% scan without it, then the risk is perhaps not worth it. Also, if you don't know about the right materials to use, then better to not **** with an original and risk ruining just to get a 100% perfect scan. The issues I'm seeing are minor and not an issue for me for what I want. Good to know that people have studied the pictures enough to find the small things wrong... shows me they care. :)

Anyway, the MR .45 helmets were just the Riddell helmets. Not really that accurate. I don't know if the mini helmet is .45 scale... it seems about 3rd scale, which is a scale that means something to me, whereas .45 scale doesn't tell me anything about it's size. I would LOVE a 12"/6th scale helmet, but there really are no plans for that - also, the Gentle Giant bust helmet is practically what would be printed anyway. It would, however, go well with the 6th scale Vader I'm doing... and compared to that project... THIS scan is miles above what I've been able to do in my own home with the TM Vader helmet and the various armor pieces.

Honestly, I can't wait to get this piece home and check it out.
 
Well, I'm honestly not here to compete with anybody about what is best. I'm just here to show off what *I* like and think is the ultimate piece *for me*. That's about all that matters to me.

Carsten, that is a great attitude to take and if we could get everyone else here and abroad to take that same high road this hobby would be a much better place for it. So many people feel a completely unnecessary need for competition instead of simply appreciating what they have for what it is. Hats off to you and congrats again on an awesome piece.
 
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