The oilcan pistol? (Mal's serenity gun)

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I've seen the video before, but couldent remember where, thanks for the link and it's cool qmx reposted it!
 
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Thats a great video, until I saw that I thought mals pistol was a complete custom. Kinda ruins it knowing the under barrel mag is just for show, and the whole thing is just a dressed up production gun.

Still a really great looking piece. I saw an interest thread in the junkyard for a brass mal pistol non firing. If they were doing the same dress up kit that I could add on to my own pistol I would be all over it. Guess ill have to keep dreaming.
 
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Most of the things talked about is incorrect in the video. Without getting too into it, a fabricator modified it, the top slide modification was done for the film and the grip frame was never changed.

Its unfortunate how time plays tricks with memory with work other people did.
 
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The grip frame was changed from the taurus to the custom frame that was welded on is how I took his meaning.

Get into it. Why not. I'd like to read about it more.

It's what we discuss, y'know? :)

Saber, was this your first look inside the gun? There is a wealth of material out there from Titan books, etc. that show us the guts of the gun. And gun folks like me recognized the trigger and trigger guard right off anyway as a smith and wesson, or clone (in this case, Taurus) Sorry if this ruined anything for ya.
 
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Not much to get into really, the companion books info is like a bible. When in doubt about its origins, re-read the book.

The conversion to its film state seems as if it will forever be misunderstood and misrepresented.
 
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The conversion to its film state seems as if it will forever be misunderstood and misrepresented.

Just curious, but why are you the only one who can understand and represent it properly? Maybe it's just me but i'd think the guy who was actually part of the department that built the gun would know more about it. :confused
 
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How is any one misrepresenting it? Please explain. He says they carried it over from the show, made some physical changes, improved the main spring, etc.

I have the companion books for F vol 1, and serenity and I don't recall reading anything that contradicts what he said in the video.
 
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Maybe it's just me but i'd think the guy who was actually part of the department that built the gun would know more about it. :confused

You said it.
No idea who those people are, believe me :confused
Dont get me wrong, those gun guys are freaking magicians when it comes to their job. Anyone that can take a rusted piece of cut up steel and make it a functional piece again is beyond a craftsman.

BUT,

Like I said, unfortunately the person who did the modification work wont get the credit for it. Instead, info is being mixed up and misrepresented because the people talking about it "dont recall". Your first clue as to someone who knows what they are talking about should be where Kevin cant recall if the top ejection slide was there before or after the guns were to be modified and used in the film.
They were modified because Mal's gun was to jam in the mule chase scene. He was to pull the slide and a jammed round would eject. Instead, he is shown reloading the clip and the feature is not used in the final cut of the movie.

The side plate was modified to help gases escape which is why the built up panel plate is there. I believe you can see the area thats been milled out then covered with the new plate section in some of the photos MoffE posted some time ago. The plate is spaced and not flush with the main body. Thats where the vent is allowed to breath. Youll also notice a thumb catch on the side above the "safety". Turn a set screw and move the thumb catch to hold it then push it down to activate the slide.

Before the guns were modified they were fairly much comparable to a 501st bobble head stormtrooper walking down a long hollow hallway "clunk, clank, clunk, clank" in that all parts fit loosely. After they were taken over from the person who retained them from the series upon its cancellation, they were completly torn down and rebuilt. Now, they are built as much like a tank as possible. Its like they are entirely new guns, reliable, dont fall apart, dont clink and clank when handled, clip doesnt randomly fall out....

On the Serenity bloopers reel you see the clip fall out once. The clips and gun had been modified with a ball type catch which is why you hear the clip in the video "click" into place. After it had problems on the film, that single day, the guns were again modified with the set screws in the clip section.
Also notice the new shorter sleeved thumbscrew made for the guns film use.
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"I have detailed files"
Here is my Phil casting with one of the hero guns. If anyone is pissed about how brassy the guns are in the film, blame the guy who molded it. He didnt even try and protect the guns finish and most of it came off in the silicone then the other had to be made to match.
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No offense to the original weapons creator but the unmodified original guns were a hot mess. Panels would fall off, clips were lost, misfires and jams were common... Kevin did go over the guns functionality as he talks about. Without the addition of the washers he speaks of, it wouldnt be as reliable and solid once rebuilt and modified as they were used in the film and sit today.
 
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Instead, he is shown reloading the clip and the feature is not used in the final cut of the movie.

Actually, it is used. It's just not shown blatantly. Mal uses it to aim at the harpoon cord attached to Jayne. When Jayne says "Well don't shoot me first" you can see the rear sight is locked back.

When was the plan for the gun to jam? It's certainly not in the script that way. In the film, Mal reloads, then hits the harpoon cord on his third shot, just like it's written in the script. Nothing about the pistol jamming.

:confused
 
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I assume you are referencing the movie companion book for the script. That "script" is a polished post film write up. The films pre-production script had the jam in it. If it didnt, the work wouldnt have been done. People dont just modify items for the hell of it :)
 
Was there a reason for the redesign of the mag? The movie one is so damn fugly, it really spoils the look of the piece.
 
Hey Noeland,

Glad you like my video. I made it ages ago for QMx, but it took forever for the new management at QMx to post it. Basically, we were invited to ISS for a tour, and while there, I asked if we could do a short interview with somebody who could talk about the Serenity guns. It was impromptu, which is why I only had one camera, so I had to go back and cheat the closeups after the interview.

The guy who did all the modifications on the Mal pistol wasn't available (I believe Kevin had worked on some of the guns personally). I figured somebody who worked on the overall project who was willing to give us a closeup look at the guns was better than nothing. Kevin did mention that the original Mal pistol had all sorts of issues, but it was because Applied FX, who made the original guns, had a really short time to construct them. When ISS bought the props from Gibbons Guns, they had to do a lot of work to them so they wouldn't jam, etc. I wasn't sure if he was just being diplomatic or what.

I also have another 5-6 minute segment where Kevin goes through the rest of the guns. I'd post it, but I'd hate to get a reputation from some of the RPF members of putting anymore false information out there. Next time, I'll do a full background check on the interviewee so that I can insure that all the minutia regarding a prop from a 5 year old B movie is solid....and I'll even bring a caliper with me.

Gary
 
Gary,

post away but I dont understand the attitude. Many take whatever bits of info is available as scripture and facts get lost in time. Im no elitist information hoarder and share what I can when possible. Im very much knowledgeable with those guns in particular.

Also,
the two Mal hero live fire guns were not bought from Gibbons. Im not sure if I can post that info up as the person who retained ownership of them after Firefly was canned may prefer to not be involved. Its nothing involving wrong doing just so we are clear on that. The final ISS/Gibbons inventory acquisition happened well after Serenity was out on dvd.

Again, nothing against the guys at ISS but I doubt they even recall a new Mal pistol being fabricated from scratch. Those guys do so much work its more an assembly line than a work platform. Its a real shame management doesnt request credits for work done. Thats another problem with any items history out of ISS.
 
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The video itself is a document to the state and functionality of the prop, which is more what I am interested in than who bought what, when. I just figured fans of the prop would like seeing the guns opened up and functioning. I know I did.

Gary, thanks for posting, I'd love to see any other footage you have about the guns you are comfortable sharing. I'm a sucker for this stuff, and I would love every second of it.

Robstyle, I don't know you, so your comments just read as arrogant sarcasm in response to perfectly valid questions. I don't quite understand you're negative attitude.

Anybody can post comments with authority, and then offer no basis or explanation for them.
 
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arrogant sarcasm and negative attitude?
Are we reading the same thread and talking about the same item?
Maybe ive no idea what im talking about, carry on.
 
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I don't know you, so that's how it reads, yes. I'm not trying to attack you, but when I ask you a question about the jam, instead of discussion or explanation, I got a sarcastic quip about the script. I would LOVE to discuss these props with you as long as it's going to be discussion, and not you acting like you're the only person who knows what they are talking about, and not even the men who built the guns know what they are talking about. I'm sure you can see how that would get old pretty fast, ya know?

Even me typing THIS is annoying and not really what this thread should be about.
 
I know Rob knows what he's talking about and don't think he was being arrogant at all, he just knows. With all the arguing about Star Wars props, you'd think people would be a little more accepting of corrections to false information. The video posted was cool but had some bad data, he was just letting you guys know what was incorrect.
 
I can appreciate trying to correct bad data. But some explanation, and some context, would also be appreciated.

You know how well the whole "he just knows" thing goes over in situations like this. It just reads badly.

Rob is an expert on all things Serenity, and Firefly, and none of us should ever ask how he knows these things?

The companion books are like a bible, unless we're talkig about the script, then they are wrong.

You see my frustration with that?
 
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