The most useless people in Hollywood ?

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  1. Rotwang

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    Got into a bit of a discussion on another forum about this little Avengers feature (Marvel's Avengers Assemble - Black Widow Interrogation Scene - Official | HD - YouTube). I just corrected somebody who said Scarlett was awesome to "her stunt double looks good too" and I got a bucketful.

    If the behind the scenes stuff on DVD's are to be believed stuntpeople are the most useless people in the industry, they may have closets full of gold medals, performed martial arts since they could walk, but somehow the stuntmen never quite manage to do it properly and the take with the actor doing their own stunt is always perfect.

    When the Matrix came out I was physically assaulted by fan who could not accept the idea that Keanu and the gang were nothing less that Kung Fu gods and did not require mere mortals to do their stunts for them.

    I understand that people want their favorite actor/actress to be a kickass superhero, and that some actors/actresses are so afraid for their reputation they claim they never use stunt doubles, and Hollywood likes a good story over the truth, but as David Hasslehoff said : "I had stuntmen, everybody uses stuntmen, anybody who says they don't need stuntmen, is a liar."
     
  2. Wes R

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    I was going to say the studio execs where the most useless lol.
     
  3. The Wolf

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    DC put out a comic called Real Facts in the 1940s. They had an issue about how serials were made and said that actors have to train to do their own because doubles are discouraged. Considering that stuntmen wre the most important people in cliffhangers, I just had to laugh.
    Even Harrison Ford gives major props to the stunt people.

    Wolf
     
  4. Michael Bergeron

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  5. firesprite

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    Well, the definition of a 'stunt person' is someone who'll do something an actor won't. If an actor refuses to twirl a pen between his fingers, the person who actually performs the act is considered a stunt man.

    HOWEVER, I agree that the ones who do the dangerous stuff get short shrift in a lot of fan's minds. The actors are expected to do more of their own stunts by the fans these days, but that doesn't mean that they don't use stunt doubles.
     
  6. EyeofSauron

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    michael bay
    period
     
  7. CB2001

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    I actually agree with you on this, because more often than not, they interfere with a production instead of allowing the makers to do their thing.


    Totally agree with you on that, too.
     
  8. CB2001

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    Honestly, this reminds me of the story where one of the studio executives sent a memo to Spielberg and Zemeckis saying that they should change the movie all together and make it the "Spaceman from Pluto." Man, I bet he was glad Spielberg and company thought the memo was a joke.
     
  9. Eopie Herder

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    I was going to say Brett Ratner.
     
  10. CB2001

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    I liked the first two Rush Hour films, After the Sunset wasn't bad, but wasn't great, and I thought his adaptation of Red Dragon was pretty decent. As for his X-Men: The Last Stand film... I still don't know how I feel about that.
     
  11. SSgt Burton

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    I'm going to be dating myself a bit here: one of my favourite Burt Reynolds movies is "Hooper" (in which he plays a Hollywood stuntman). Although it is for the most part a comedy, there are some pretty spectacular stunts in that old school film.

    Ironically Reynolds got his start as a stuntman didn't he?


    Kevin
     
  12. allosaur176

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    His movies brings in hundreds of millions of dollars, hardly useless
     
  13. Solo4114

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    Stunt men are useless, huh? Tell it to Lee Majors.
     
  14. Michael Bergeron

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    Or to any of the actors who played James Bond. How many world records did those stunt guys set over the years?
     
  15. Kerr Avon

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    Beat me to it.
     
  16. terryr

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    Stunt men are used all the time. And body doubles too, for nude scenes. And the actresses/actors often pick the stand-in themselves to make sure they look 'good enough' , when the stand-ins actually are much better looking.
    Have an honest look at almost any actor and you can see they aren't really that good looking. But they have the aura of fame, and a powerful personality.

    Most useless? Execs. Especially modern execs. They have no idea. They don't know art. They would sell toasters if it had the same money.
    Script readers have no special skills. It is an entry level position in the company. They read page 1, page 60 and the last page and write up some 'coverage' of what they think.
    A test was done where famous scripts were re-titled and sent to readers. [ Casablanca was called Ricks Place] They all said all the scripts sucked. So not only can they not recognize a good story, they can't recognize a famous movie.
    Hollywood is based on scripts, and everyone there hates to read.
     
  17. Wes R

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    or the mindless sheep who rush to him movies just to see crap blow up. Guess the american viewing public is the worst part of hollywood.
     
  18. EyeofSauron

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    not a valid point

    the same could be said about stupid phone apps, they dont do anything usefull, still rake in the dollars.
     
  19. crabra comander

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    The people that get the directors their coffee?
     
  20. Jedi2016

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    I think the title of the thread says it all.. Hollywood. The "industry", and anyone involved in the business side of it, they're all useless.

    The only people who are useless on set are the suits visiting from Hollywood (since no movies are actually made there anymore). Everyone who's actually working on the film is probably busting their *, too many hours a day, for too little pay.

    Whoever puts together most of the bonus features on the home video releases doesn't really help, either. The only people they ever talk to are the director and the main actors. From those videos, you'd swear there's only four or five people on set at any given time. And most of the non-savvy audience probably thinks that's the way it is.

    The Michael Bay movies are a good example. I was watching TF3 recently, and there's a scene where Laserbeak is rampaging through an office, making an absolute mess out of everything. And the only thing I can think is "I feel sorry for the poor SOB that had to clean up after that scene..."
     
  21. allosaur176

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    So having him make all these movies are useless? Giving jobs to hundreds of people at a time, between actors, stunt men, fx masters, camera men, etc is useless huh?
     
  22. rodneyfaile

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    Useless? I would say the MPAA goes beyond useless and is actually a detriment!
     
  23. EyeofSauron

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    since when is the director giving jobs?
    afaik its still studios (who for that matter hire the director)
    all of his movies wouldve been better made with other people on the wheel (especially everything after 2000)

    also, its the same with the apps again. do they give people jobs? absolutely? are they usefull? definitely not.

    usefullness is not the same as giving jobs

    i could hire two people, one to dig a hole, and the other to fill the hole again, and let them do this forever. theres still no use in this

    also, this says everything better than i ever could :D
    http://www.theonion.com/articles/michael-bay-signs-50m-deal-to-****-up-thundercats,2702/
     
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  24. allosaur176

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    Ahhh, so you're saying that Directors are useless....got it
     
  25. EyeofSauron

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    no i dont say that. i am just saying directors that behave like dicks, have a ego bigger than the moon, ignore and insult fans, and cant produce anything but lensflare and explosions with horrible stories and directing are useless.
    i will give him the rock, armageddon, and the first bad boys movie, because they were okay, but after that he became useless by doing stupid movies with no quality whatsoever and too much money put in them without quality.

    those movies are useless, and so is he (and several other directors for that matter)
     
  26. CJS

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    Add the Spielberg overseeing and it's even worse. Every movie SS has done he tries to alter and question the afterlife lol.
     
  27. allosaur176

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    Well I'm not gonna argue that he is known to be a ***** towards the people he works with, but, he has made entertaining movies, even if you personally don't like them, all 3 of the Transformers movies have broken records, 2 of which are in the top 20 grossing movies of all time..They may not be story driven, but they do entertain millions, and that's what its all about
     
  28. rodneyfaile

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    Michael Bay? Making a movie that earns a ton of $$$$$ is not useless.

    The MPAA rating movies, like I said, it goes beyond useless and is a detriment!
     
  29. CB2001

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    TOTALLY agree with this one. I mean, you have to see This Film Is Not Yet Rated to get a clear understanding of why they're useless, and that they're nothing more than a glorified form of censorship.
     
  30. Jedi2016

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    Only if you're not mainstream. That film makes it pretty clear that they pander to the studios while slapping down the independent filmmakers.

    Case in point:

    [​IMG]

    This is exactly the kind of thing This Film is Not Yet Rated was talking about. The creators of Bully actually released it unrated, if I recall, and at least one major theater chain ran the film anyway, even though it's normally against policy to show unrated films (so good for them, at any rate).
     
  31. Timmythekid

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    Particularly to the point, I believe (been a couple of years) that TFINYR made the sole offense of actually trying to figure out who is on the board, and what criteria they actually use. No language, violence, or language - just "can we see who makes these descisions?".
     
  32. CB2001

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    Actually, that's more of a subplot, while the main plot deals with filmmakers who have made movies and have dealt with issues with the MPAA over the years, including the director of the documentary who tries to call them out on their decision making.
     
  33. firesprite

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    I heard Bully actually managed to get its PG-13 rating.

    http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1682621/bully-movie-rating-pg-13.jhtml
     
  34. CB2001

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  35. Jack T Chance

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    What about the Fall Guy?:lol
     
  38. MClass

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    The Twilight cast.

    Bring on the hate. :lol
     
  39. Solo4114

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    As I might've mentioned... ;)
     
  40. Warrior Po8

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    I'm a stuntman. This statement is incorrect. There are several levels of specialist, stand in, photo double, who are separate from the various stunt doubles with special abilities and skill sets. We don't just do what an actor doesn't want to do. There are thousands of talented men and women who never ask for the glory. They love what they do just as much as anyone else in any other field, and to diminish what anyone does in any industry, or to perpetuate falsehoods on what they do seems unfair. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I can personally assure you that the stunt men and women in any of your favorite action films didn't just twirl pens and are a large reason that these ARE your favorite action films.
     
  41. aeonpulse

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    Someone who actually knows what they're tallking about. (y)thumbsup(y)thumbsup:thumbsup
     
  42. firesprite

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    I certainly wasn't trying to belittle the profession. That's what I was told by another individual who works as a stuntman as well. I apologize for any offense that was given. I think stuntmen and women are pretty frakking awesome (if not a little crazy sometimes). :)
     
  43. Replicant X

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    Well, going back to where this thread started. If someone states that stuntmen/women are useless because contemporary actor and actresses are in excellent shape and are experts in martial arts, and acrobacies, etc, etc. Of course anybody would agree about their uselessness and senseless existence.
    But then, If anyone is so dumb to believe that all these great Hollywood stars and starlettes perform all their stunts, and do it perfectly and in just one take, and without help from expert stunts and the use of movie tricks.
    So, with such perfect creatures, what are those expendable and futile special effects technicians doing??
    Actors do not need their help either to jump from one building to a running bus, or fly with a motorcycle over an exploding helicopter, etc...
    God, they do not need this geeks and their computers when they can do it all by themselves.
    Then I believe we can conclude that EVERYONE but the actors will become useless with time.

    And who do I think are the most useless people in Hollywood and extend that to the whole movie industry???
    The people who limit creativity, and the process of making new things and take some risks. Not these people who want to make movies following four basic formulas for the last 50 years. Nurturing the lack of imagination and originality, and doing remakes of films that were done 10 years, 20 years ago??!!
    Please!! Do you think we are idiots??!! Of course you do...
    "Oh,my . The remake of ....... is so good becuase it has better special effects!!!! ohhh"
    Well, I don't want to go on and on, so yes for me the most useless people in Hollywood
    and in life are.....
    ..... the EXECUTIVES.
     
  44. Replicant X

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    Sorry, I forgot to say that I have always believed , since i was a kid that the Academy Awards were missing an Oscar to the best stunt in a major film.
    These professionals are the men and women who have made all of us go like "ooohhhh!!!",
    "Wowwww!!!", "God *!!" etc, when watching films, from Ben-Hur, classic cowboy movies, and the original James Bond films, to name few examples.
    So honestly, who are useless in Hollywood my friends???
     
  45. Replicant X

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    Sorry, I forgot to say that I have always believed , since i was a kid that the Academy Awards were missing an Oscar to the best stunt in a major film.
    These professionals are the men and women who have made all of us go like "ooohhhh!!!",
    "Wowwww!!!", "God *!!" etc, when watching films, from Ben-Hur, classic cowboy movies, and the original James Bond films, to name few examples.
    So honestly, who are useless in Hollywood my friends???
     
  46. Warrior Po8

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    That's a nice thing to say. We've been trying to get one for decades, but it's an uphill battle. What we do and what we contribute is just as much of a part of the equation at the talented make up and wardrobe artist, the directors of photography, sound and lighting artists, writes, directors and actors themselves. But again, we are mostly the silent folks who are happy to be working at what we love. Still, it would be nice to be recognized. We do have our own World Taurus Stunt Awards. Always a blast.
     
  47. Jack T Chance

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    Right now, my pick is whoever it is at Paramount that's responsible for taking their big summer tentpole release and pushing it back to March of 2013 just 5 weeks before it was due to hit theaters! :angry
     
  48. firesprite

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    Amen to that, Jack. :p
     
  49. terryr

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    The Oscars themselves are pretty useless.
    It used to be a little dinner where they'd pat themselves on the back.
    Now it's a huge pointless bore. More often the choices are made by what's topical not by what was good. Votes are cast by popularity by people who never saw the picture.
    A few years later it's WTF?
    And certain films are never considered, because they are 'those type'.

    And how many people make their list of favorite movies by whether they won oscars or not?
     
  50. CessnaDriver

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    Agreed.
    Maybe some technical people get some recognition but that's about it.
     

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