The Marvels (2023)

[pengbuzz]

I'm not playing gatekeeper, but someone who continuously comes into a forum to post negative comments that have nothing to do with the content of the film and also as I said allegedly don't even watch the films or apparently even care for them add nothing to the conversation.

That's not for you to decide; his comments pertain to the topic at hand. If you don't like the nature of them, you always have the option to use the ignore feature here. Simply hover over his name on his profile next to his post, and it should appear as an option under his avatar pic.

But by you telling him he cannot post his opinion about The Marvels, you are indeed trying to play gatekeeper. Seriously; are you more concerned about having what you consider an appropriate discussion, or simply not hearing what you do not like?

How is coming here to keep posting things like and I'm paraphrasing here "this will bomb" "Marvel suck" etc.

If it's his opinion that he dislikes the movie based on what he has heard and read, he has a right to it and to share it. Once again; you are under no obligation to read his posts.

You say I'm attacking but then look back at what Cephus himself put, implying that anyone who likes a film is "so busy fellating the mouse that they've lost all contact with reality".View attachment 1760899
Now tell me who is attacking people.
It's this kind of nasty rhetoric that is polluting the board.
I'm sure it probably violates some board rules.
Certain members here just continuously post negative things in threads they again allegedly have no interest which is really odd.

You know where the report button is; you do not need me to tell you to use it if you feel the rules have been broken. But unless you can prove he was directly commenting on you, you haven't much to report other than "he made a generalized nasty comment" (Cephus mentioned anyone, which is not specifying you and is his opinion in general).

YOUR comment, on the other hand, was a direct comment aimed solely at Cephus. It wasn't a generalized statement but a directed comment about something specific to him alone.

I'm glad you at least went to see the film and if you didn't like it that's fine, but at least you can make an informed decision based on actually seeing the film.

Yes, I can; but whether one sees the film or not is not a requirement of this topic in order to make a post. Unless the OP changes that (or the moderators do), whoever wants to comment can do so.
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As to the Film:

The reasons I did not care for the film are that Larson just seemed flat and plain unlikable, nothing they do or don't do has any real consequences, and I keep getting the feeling from it that this particular universe seems to think all men are morons who can't do anything right. Nick Fury in particular comes across as a joke/ parody of his appearances in the regular MCU.

As to the story:

Spoiler

1) it seems like a gigantic game of intergalactic Hopscotch with the main characters. 2) Seriously, the "big plan" is a space cat eating the bad guys?! REALY??!! 3) Dar-ben steals the Quantum Bands so she can steal Earth's Sun to replace Hala's, but Captain Marvel reignites Hala's Sun by flying through it; Why couldn't Dar-Bann just do the same?!

The ending also felt pretty forced to me, and just tacked on to appeal to other films/ shows in the MCU. It didn't come across to me as earned or genuine.

 

[JPH]

Kamala is a mutant. That was revealed in the show's finale. Even played a musical cue from the X-Men animated show. I believe the bangle just unlocked her mutation.

Thanks!

Maybe I can force myself to watch that final episode.

 

[renaissance_man]

Tickets booked for a second viewing today.
Making a day of it with my girlfriend.

I really enjoyed Laura Karpman's score. I was listening to the album on Spotify yesterday.
I was hoping we would get the return of Pinar Toprak's excellent theme for Carol but given this is a team up there was inevitably going to be a change in themes, it's happened with most of the other films with the exception of the Avengers, they kept their main theme.

 

[Usagi Pilgrim]

Does anyone have a wife from Minnesota?
If you do, she's fat & ugly.

Anyone have a house built before 1985?
If you do, your carpet is hideous & the layout is stupid.

Anyone have ancestors from a non-English speaking country?
If you do, you're ignorant & uneducated.

EVERY COMMENT I JUST MADE IS IGNORANT, STUPID, & PROBABLY COMPLETELY FALSE, ALL BECAUSE I'VE NEVER SEEN NOR MET ANY OF YOU, BUT THEY'RE STILL NOT AS IGNORANT, STUPID, & PROBABLY COMPLETELY FALSE AS 'OPINIONS' SHARED BY THOSE WHO HAVEN'T SEEN OR EXPERIENCED THE TOPIC OF A THREAD.

You don't like it, tough. That's my OPINION so it's completely valid & irrefutable.

I do appreciate all the erudite scholars, Shakespearian apostles, & industry Titans that post here to keep us Special Ed kids from eating the quarters because we like the taste, because it enables me to determine who wants to discuss the topic at hand & who wants to share a self fellating 'opinion'. LOL

.. & just to be clear, this isn't just a Disney/Marvel/SW feeling, nor is it directed at any particular member, but if it makes you feel some kind of way... Oh well.

 

[dascoyne]

How do you know my wife?

 

[renaissance_man]

Just got back from the 2nd viewing.

Spoiler: Spoiler

I only noticed on repeat viewing that Maria/Binary was wearing both of the Quantum Bands in the mod-credits scene.
Interesting, that's obviously how she got her powers rather than being a copy of Carol's method of being powered up by the destruction of Mar-vell's Tesseract/Infinity stone powered light speed engine

When the film comes to Blu-ray and Disney+ I will definitely be getting reference screengrabs to make a replica of Fury's SABRE comm/PDA device.
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[blewis17]

Haven't seen it, but sounds like some here had a good time with the film! And that's the most important part of "Entertainment" correct?

But... I think we all know where this is going...

The comic book film landed the second-lowest opening day gross ever across the 32 features in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, earning $21.5 million from 4,030 venues. That includes $6.6 million in previews. It barely surpassed 2008’s “The Incredible Hulk,” which holds the record for the MCU’s lowest domestic opening day at $21.46 million, and falls behind series-starter “Ant-Man” ($22.6 million), not adjusted for inflation. If “The Marvels” doesn’t pick up the pace, it will trail behind the opening weekend grosses of both those films ($55.4 million and $55.7 million, respectively) to secure a franchise-worst debut.

 

[Cephus]

I'm not saying anything directly about anyone. I haven't either. I will say i've seen lots of disdain for Brie Larson and Capt. Marvel (the first movie) and i think a there's a lot of carryover of that into reviews even by so-called professionals. Some of whom, in general looking to find things to take shots at instead of giving honest impressions of what they saw. I don't go to anything marvel looking for best picture candidates. I look to have fun, which I did. Were there things i'd probably have done different? Probably. To me it seemed they went more of the buddy movie, comedy route - which is fine. It's a departure to an extent, of what they've done in the past and it seemed to work well enough for me.

The problem is, Brie Larson is a jerk. If people hate her, it's because she's made people hate her with her attitude. Secondly, Marvel just inserted her out of the blue as the strongest, most powerful character in the universe, right at the beginning of Kevin Feige's "girl-power" phase. She didn't earn anything and she was a complete Mary Sue. The only reason anyone saw the first movie was because they put it just before Endgame and they strongly implied that everyone had to see it. So people are entirely justified in not liking Captain Marvel or Brie Larson. It has nothing to do with her being female, it has to do with her being an insufferable idiot.

That said, people are entitled to their own opinions but they cannot push those opinions on others or insist that only their opinion is worthy or correct. We see a lot of that out there, on both sides, which is why no quality conversations ever take place, because this has become like a religion to a lot of people.

I find it funny people want to call other Disney fans and attribute positive things to them because they're fans or worshippers and not because they liked something. I think it's more accurate to say there are those out there who hate disney and are more likely to take shots at anything they do, earned or not. Say what you want, it works both ways and you generally here much more from those on the hate side that the pro side. It's how it works, especially online.

I entirely object to that. You get some people who accuse detractors of "listening to the hate mob", but let's be honest, the actual, demonstrable performance of this movie sucks and you can't say that millions and millions of people worldwide are all "hate-filled bigots" and still command any respect. The fact is, people don't care about this movie. They don't care about Captain Marvel or any of the others. They don't care about Brie Larson. She isn't enough to put paying butts in seats and there are people out there looking for an excuse, other than "it's not a good movie". When a movie opens with as low a critic's score as this one did, something is wrong, especially given the tendency of "professional reviewers" to pander to the studios so they keep getting invitations to screenings and other perks. Big outlets that typically praise Disney are calling this a bomb out of the gate. That's kind of the way that it is.

Best advice i can give anyone, would be ignore articles, trailers, posts, etc if you plan on seeing something. Go in as blank as possible, you're virtually guaranteed to have a better time.

Anyone who is interested in seeing the movie, this one or any other, should go see it. I'm not. Apparently, based on the viewership numbers, most people aren't. When Marvel used to be able to put almost anything on screen and make a billion dollars, those days are long gone. People need to deal with that. It's why they're reducing their output, and hopefully the amount of money they're wasting. It's why there's only one Marvel movie coming out next year... maybe, I wouldn't be surprised to see that delayed too. It's why they're almost totally reshooting the next Captain America movie, because test audience hated it. People need to stop making excuses and just accept that's what's going on. Whatever Marvel is doing, it isn't working. Time to deal with it.

If you like it great. If you don't that's fine, too. But people need to stop taking it so damned personally when someone says the opposite of what they think.

I agree, but people need to stop making excuses for why it really isn't Marvel's fault. It is. Every single time they fail at the box office, it is their fault. They failed to appeal to a paying audience. Hollywood spends a lot of time pointing fingers and blaming everyone around them, when it is their own fault. They failed to understand what their potential paying audience wants. Marvel has been doing that since the end of phase 3 and they haven't learned their lesson yet. It's why we're seeing what we're seeing. All of the excuses in the world won't change that.

 

[firesprite]

Haven't seen it, but sounds like some here had a good time with the film! And that's the most important part of "Entertainment" correct?

But... I think we all know where this is going...

The comic book film landed the second-lowest opening day gross ever across the 32 features in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, earning $21.5 million from 4,030 venues. That includes $6.6 million in previews. It barely surpassed 2008’s “The Incredible Hulk,” which holds the record for the MCU’s lowest domestic opening day at $21.46 million, and falls behind series-starter “Ant-Man” ($22.6 million), not adjusted for inflation. If “The Marvels” doesn’t pick up the pace, it will trail behind the opening weekend grosses of both those films ($55.4 million and $55.7 million, respectively) to secure a franchise-worst debut.

As someone who doesn't go to the movies anymore (thanks, COVID, my asthmatic lungs really appreciate you screwing up my ability to enjoy my favorite characters on the big screen), I wish Disney would do what they did with Black Widow and give the option of streaming new movies for a fee. I gladly dropped the $20 for Black Widow and would do so again for The Marvels in a hot second.

 

[Captain Dunsel]

Haven't seen it, but sounds like some here had a good time with the film! And that's the most important part of "Entertainment" correct?

But... I think we all know where this is going...

The comic book film landed the second-lowest opening day gross ever across the 32 features in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, earning $21.5 million from 4,030 venues. That includes $6.6 million in previews. It barely surpassed 2008’s “The Incredible Hulk,” which holds the record for the MCU’s lowest domestic opening day at $21.46 million, and falls behind series-starter “Ant-Man” ($22.6 million), not adjusted for inflation. If “The Marvels” doesn’t pick up the pace, it will trail behind the opening weekend grosses of both those films ($55.4 million and $55.7 million, respectively) to secure a franchise-worst debut.

Facts.

 

[pengbuzz]

I think with Captain Marvel (the MCU version), they need to do two things:

1) Write better stories where she earns her place in the MCU, just as the other characters have. Let her be human, make mistakes, and be relatable to the audience. Don't make her a woke sandwich board of "I'm a woman and you suck".

2) Recast the character. At this point, Brie Larson is just toxicity with a mouth; retaining her in the role is not going to do anyone any favors. They could save the character by having the recast character undergo some serious trials that take the vinegar out of her and teach her how to be a human being again. But regardless, the Brie Larson version of Captain Marvel isn't "strong"; she's just arrogant, bland and utterly unlikable.

 

[pengbuzz]

Does anyone have a wife from Minnesota?
If you do, she's fat & ugly.

Anyone have a house built before 1985?
If you do, your carpet is hideous & the layout is stupid.

Anyone have ancestors from a non-English speaking country?
If you do, you're ignorant & uneducated.

EVERY COMMENT I JUST MADE IS IGNORANT, STUPID, & PROBABLY COMPLETELY FALSE, ALL BECAUSE I'VE NEVER SEEN NOR MET ANY OF YOU, BUT THEY'RE STILL NOT AS IGNORANT, STUPID, & PROBABLY COMPLETELY FALSE AS 'OPINIONS' SHARED BY THOSE WHO HAVEN'T SEEN OR EXPERIENCED THE TOPIC OF A THREAD.

You don't like it, tough. That's my OPINION so it's completely valid & irrefutable.

I do appreciate all the erudite scholars, Shakespearian apostles, & industry Titans that post here to keep us Special Ed kids from eating the quarters because we like the taste, because it enables me to determine who wants to discuss the topic at hand & who wants to share a self fellating 'opinion'. LOL

.. & just to be clear, this isn't just a Disney/Marvel/SW feeling, nor is it directed at any particular member, but if it makes you feel some kind of way... Oh well.

And you wonder why I don't play with you at recess anymore. That and in 3rd grade, you ruined my Batman lunchbox.

 

[Cephus]

I think with Captain Marvel (the MCU version), they need to do two things:

1) Write better stories where she earns her place in the MCU, just as the other characters have. Let her be human, make mistakes, and be relatable to the audience. Don't make her a woke sandwich board of "I'm a woman and you suck".

2) Recast the character. At this point, Brie Larson is just toxicity with a mouth; retaining her in the role is not going to do anyone any favors. They could save the character by having the recast character undergo some serious trials that take the vinegar out of her and teach her how to be a human being again. But regardless, the Brie Larson version of Captain Marvel isn't "strong"; she's just arrogant, bland and utterly unlikable.

1. They need to do that with ALL MCU projects. Heck, Hollywood in general needs to do that. Most things coming out these days are garbage.

2. I don't think that is enough though. If I'm honest, they need to reboot the entire MCU after giving it a good 5 years to rest. Recast absolutely everyone, even the good actors they still have like Chris Hemsworth. Get rid of Kevin Feige. If you want toxic, that's the worst of them, and go back to the drawing board. Recapture Marvel when it was good, say anything before 1990, and use the classic comic book stories that will work on the big screen. Get rid of the agenda, then try again.

I just don't think Disney has it in them to do any of that anymore.

 

[pengbuzz]

1. They need to do that with ALL MCU projects. Heck, Hollywood in general needs to do that. Most things coming out these days are garbage.

Agreed; much is just dreck, and the rest gets buried under the dreck.

2. I don't think that is enough though. If I'm honest, they need to reboot the entire MCU after giving it a good 5 years to rest. Recast absolutely everyone, even the good actors they still have like Chris Hemsworth. Get rid of Kevin Feige. If you want toxic, that's the worst of them, and go back to the drawing board. Recapture Marvel when it was good, say anything before 1990, and use the classic comic book stories that will work on the big screen. Get rid of the agenda, then try again.

Sadly, that may be necessary.

I just don't think Disney has it in them to do any of that anymore.

I think Disney as a whole needs to clean out their departments then wait 5 years to try again. Maybe ten.

 

[Cephus]

I think Disney as a whole needs to clean out their departments then wait 5 years to try again. Maybe ten.

Agreed. Sadly, Disney filled their offices with woke idiots and then we're supposed to be surprised that's all that they make. Now it looks like 5 Nights at Freddy's, a movie that cost $20 million to make, is going to outperform The Marvels, which cost more than $300 million to make.

I wonder what excuses people are going to make for that?

 

[pengbuzz]

Agreed. Sadly, Disney filled their offices with woke idiots and then we're supposed to be surprised that's all that they make. Now it looks like 5 Nights at Freddy's, a movie that cost $20 million to make, is going to outperform The Marvels, which cost more than $300 million to make.

I wonder what excuses people are going to make for that?

Just wait a couple of hours and I'm sure of the the denizens here that dislike either one of us will be happy to explain in very derogatory terms to us.

 

[Cephus]

Just wait a couple of hours and I'm sure of the the denizens here that dislike either one of us will be happy to explain in very derogatory terms to us.

Oh, I'm sure. These are the simple facts, folks. All the excuses in the world won't make them go away.

 

[dascoyne]

TLDR

Cephus: According to YouTube, The Marvels will bomb, big time.

Renaissance_man: That doesn’t mean anything. It’s just become fashionable to bash MCU on YouTube.

Cephus: It’s not just YouTube. I lost interest in MCU even before that. They were better in the early days.

Renaissance_man: If you haven’t seen anything since Endgame then you aren’t qualified to have an opinion.

(The Marvels opens)

Cephus: It’s flopping in the box office.

Renaissance_man: I just watched it and enjoyed it. Maybe people aren’t ready for something different from Marvel.

Cephus: Marvel knows they suck. That's why they're delaying future releases, etc.

Renaissance_man: You just enjoy being hateful and have nothing to contribute to a fan thread about this film.

Cephus: Disney is in crisis for the performance of all their franchises. They made bad creative decisions. My negativity is not unfounded and my opinion reflects the general public sentiment. You can't reasonably deny this.

Renaissance_man: Disney’s financial crisis is multifactorial. You are just here to fuel hate over a film you don’t even plan to watch. You are just wasting everyone's time now. You should move on.
Now, if you don't mind I'm going to actually talk about this movie.

Usagi Pilgrim: Yeah.

Cephus: The critics agree it’s bad, and the box office shows that people aren’t interested either. I am just stating facts here. People should stop making excuses for Marvel’s downfall. Until Disney owns up to their own contribution to this mess, they will continue to fail. But it might be too late anyway since they’re full of woke idiots and yes-men.... and Brie Larson is terrible.

pengbuzz: Yeah.

 

[renaissance_man]

As someone who doesn't go to the movies anymore (thanks, COVID, my asthmatic lungs really appreciate you screwing up my ability to enjoy my favorite characters on the big screen), I wish Disney would do what they did with Black Widow and give the option of streaming new movies for a fee. I gladly dropped the $20 for Black Widow and would do so again for The Marvels in a hot second.

That is very frustrating and I sympathise, it isn't quite the same not being able to see a film at home the first time compared to seeing it on the big screen.
I have a feeling Disney didn't go that route again because of the problem the home digital premiere creates with piracy.
Could you wear a mask and try and get into a quieter screening?

 

[firesprite]

That is very frustrating and I sympathise, it isn't quite the same not being able to see a film at home the first time compared to seeing it on the big screen.
I have a feeling Disney didn't go that route again because of the problem the home digital premiere creates with piracy.
Could you wear a mask and try and get into a quieter screening?

I might, but it would mean going solo as my husband is not mobile enough for that sort of thing at this time. He also really wants to see the movie and I would feel bad going without him.