The Marvels (2023)

[dascoyne]

So all you guys dissing this already have been to see it, right?
Or are you just jumping on the Brie Larson/Marvel hate wagon?

When people post things like this:
View attachment 1760225It seems like minds are made up before even watching something for themselves and they are just on the anti Brie Larson/Marvel bandwagon.

Everything you said is valid. I wasn't trying to be hateful as much as I just thought it was something funny to post. I do plan to watch this film in the theater with an open mind.

I actually don't hate Brie Larson as Captain Mar-vell, but I do think the writing of her first film was a disservice to her. Marvel's Captain Marvel is a pretty stoic character as written in the comics. Brie's portrayal is actually consistent with that, but people who don't know the comics aren't going to appreciate it. The comic book Captain Marvel is a cosmic figure that was never meant to be relatable. That's not Brie's fault.

Vellani as Ms. Marvel is surprisingly endearing in the television series. I like her even though I never had interest in her character in comics.

Parris as Rambeau. I liked her as a character in WandaVision before she had superpowers. After that she was pure cringe. In most superhero "origin" stories a human acquiring superpowers is supposed to be a platform for character growth. Rambeau getting her powers did nothing for character development. It was just awkward.

I am always looking for evidence of hope that Disney's MCU might be turning the corner because I grew up with these characters.

Anyway, I didn't intend to offend. Sorry if I did.

 

[Cephus]

It's already flopping. They reduced expected opening weekend revenues from 140 million down to 60 at the top end. This thing is going to fail.

 

[Captain Dunsel]

It's already flopping. They reduced expected opening weekend revenues from 140 million down to 60 at the top end. This thing is going to fail.

Go Disney…Go MCU!

 

[renaissance_man]

I just got back from watching this in IMAX and it was a thoroughly enjoyable film. Great to see Carol, Monica and Kamala back and all sharing the screen together using their powers as a team.
There was the usual mix of, humour, heart and action.
This was truly a sequel for everyone with some backstory filled in on what Carol has been doing since the end of her solo film and Monica gets some context as to why Carol didn't return after promising to do so in Captain Marvel.
Nods to the wider universe and some cool comic tie-ins.
The mid-credits scene was very cool too.

Don't listen to those hate channels on Youtube who make money off your views and just thrive on hate and division.
This was a great film that told a concise story without having to follow the current trend of going over the 2.5 to 3 hour mark.
A second viewing this Sunday with my girlfriend is definitely in order.

As the late great Stan Lee would say, "Excelsior!"

 

[Astyanax]

Review from VULTURE:

"The problem with The Marvels is that it lacks so many of the elements it’s reasonable to expect from a movie, like momentum, stakes, and reasons to invest in its characters. Its conflict is just an excuse to get its three main superheroes in the same space, but it can’t come up with anything interesting for them to do once they’re there. It feels inarguably dinky in its scope, which is a real achievement for a movie reported to have cost somewhere around $275 million. The MCU was built on the promise of must-see events, but at this point is delivering what feels like a crossover episode created by dueling writers’ rooms who couldn’t agree on where or on whom to center their story."

When Did the MCU Start Feeling So Small?

The Marvels brings together Brie Larson, Teyonah Parris, and Iman Vellani for far-flung galactic adventures that feel disappointingly dinky.

www.vulture.com

 

[renaissance_man]

People moan when films follow a story adaptation to the letter because it didn't do anything new.
They complain when it strays too far from the source material.
Tired quotes like "_______ (fill with current genre) fatigue" has set in.
They complain when something completely original that is just a standalone story comes along.

I feel like there is so much choice from the bombardment of streaming services all vying for attention, people not even sitting down to watch a film properly without reaching for their phone because they can't resist seeing if the comment they posted on social media two minutes prior has got any likes is having an impact on the modern entertainment landscape.

People don't seem to know what they want they just know they want to complain.

I'll sound like an old man shouting at clouds now, but we live in age where we are so spoilt by all these films that maybe we don't deserve them.

The haters love to quote "box office" but after the pandemic and the quick availability of films on streaming services, the worldwide cost of living and energy crises, cinema going habits have changed.
If the MCU was shifted along a few years and Endgame was released to streaming in 2021 it wouldn't have made 2 billion worldwide.

 

[Cephus]

Marvel just delayed EVERYTHING. They are only releasing one movie in 2024, that being Deadpool 3, which they delayed from May to June to take the Captain America slot, which is now coming out in 2025 because they are going to reshoot almost the entire movie because it got tons of terrible screening reviews. Every movie is moving because they all suck.

Anyone surprised by this?

 

[renaissance_man]

Marvel just delayed EVERYTHING. They are only releasing one movie in 2024, that being Deadpool 3, which they delayed from May to June to take the Captain America slot, which is now coming out in 2025 because they are going to reshoot almost the entire movie because it got tons of terrible screening reviews. Every movie is moving because they all suck.

Anyone surprised by this?

Change the record mate.
All you post is hate fuelled rhetoric. You apparently don't even watch any MCU films or series so why do you care so much?

 

[cboath]

Sad that hate is going to make this look bad. I loved it. I need more iman vellani, she is just so good in that role. All them were great but she stole every scene.

 

[pengbuzz]

Change the record mate.
All you post is hate fuelled rhetoric. You apparently don't even watch any MCU films or series so why do you care so much?

Not simple rhetoric:

‘The Marvels’ superhero movie hit by some critics as contender for 'worst Marvel film yet’

“The Marvels," starring liberal actress Brie Larson, was derided by a variety of critics in multiple countries as yet another sign of the Marvel franchise's decline.

www.foxnews.com

Several critics agree, as do a lot of regular viewers out there; Cephus is on point.

Marvel just delayed EVERYTHING. They are only releasing one movie in 2024, that being Deadpool 3, which they delayed from May to June to take the Captain America slot, which is now coming out in 2025 because they are going to reshoot almost the entire movie because it got tons of terrible screening reviews. Every movie is moving because they all suck.

Anyone surprised by this?

Not a bit; the dumpster fire just got jet fuel dumped on it.

 

[Cephus]

Not simple rhetoric:

‘The Marvels’ superhero movie hit by some critics as contender for 'worst Marvel film yet’

“The Marvels," starring liberal actress Brie Larson, was derided by a variety of critics in multiple countries as yet another sign of the Marvel franchise's decline.

www.foxnews.com

Several critics agree, as do a lot of regular viewers out there; Cephus is on point.

Not only "several critics". The pre-release reviews, after the ridiculously short end of the embargo, make The Marvels one of, if not the worst reviewed Marvel movie of all time. Everything I said was demonstrably, factually correct. Some people are so busy fellating the mouse that they've lost all contact with reality.

Not a bit; the dumpster fire just got jet fuel dumped on it.

Disney has just reached the level of being terrified. Between the Nelson Peltz/Ike Purlmutter stock takeover and their terrible performance, I don't see Bob Iger staying in position for long, unless they can make some massive changes and I don't see that happening. Iger just barely squeaked past on the last earnings call when Disney+ didn't lose any more subscribers, but they still lost more than $400 million in revenue. The only reason they didn't lose more is because, with the actor's strike, they weren't paying to make a lot of shows that nobody watches. The next quarter should show just how bad things actually are.

These are all facts, not opinions. This isn't Internet trolls or fill-in-your-favorite-ists, this is what is actually going on and sadly, some people are too blinded to see actual reality. They'd rather go down with the sinking ship than learn how to be an adult and deal with it.

 

[Cephus]

The Marvels only made $6.6 million Thursday preview, compared to almost $10 million for The Flash. Even things like Black Widow, which was during the pandemic and was day-and-date on Disney+, it made $13 million preview Thursday.

These are verifiable facts, not opinions.

This thing is going to bomb huge.

 

[renaissance_man]

Not only "several critics". The pre-release reviews, after the ridiculously short end of the embargo, make The Marvels one of, if not the worst reviewed Marvel movie of all time. Everything I said was demonstrably, factually correct. Some people are so busy fellating the mouse that they've lost all contact with reality.



Disney has just reached the level of being terrified. Between the Nelson Peltz/Ike Purlmutter stock takeover and their terrible performance, I don't see Bob Iger staying in position for long, unless they can make some massive changes and I don't see that happening. Iger just barely squeaked past on the last earnings call when Disney+ didn't lose any more subscribers, but they still lost more than $400 million in revenue. The only reason they didn't lose more is because, with the actor's strike, they weren't paying to make a lot of shows that nobody watches. The next quarter should show just how bad things actually are.

These are all facts, not opinions. This isn't Internet trolls or fill-in-your-favorite-ists, this is what is actually going on and sadly, some people are too blinded to see actual reality. They'd rather go down with the sinking ship than learn how to be an adult and deal with it.

You've probably been so blinded by your disdain for Marvel that you're unaware there has been a double strike, both writers and actors.
Also it is standard practice to do reshoots, it's built into the schedule.
Would you rather a film that hadn't tested well for whatever reason just be released? Or is it better that things that aren't working for whatever reason, be it flow, pacing, lack of audience understanding just be released.
Actually I can answer that, you probably would because then as you would say "Marvel can crash and burn" or some other such hate filled sentiment.

You come into these threads where people want to talk about the film and just post these articles or comments about something you admitedly hate and allegedly never watch.
Honestly, why do you care about coming here? Do you not have anything more productive to do with your life?

 

[pengbuzz]

You've probably been so blinded by your disdain for Marvel that you're unaware there has been a double strike, both writers and actors.
Also it is standard practice to do reshoots, it's built into the schedule.
Would you rather a film that hadn't tested well for whatever reason just be released? Or is it better that things that aren't working for whatever reason, be it flow, pacing, lack of audience understanding just be released.
Actually I can answer that, you probably would because then as you would say "Marvel can crash and burn" or some other such hate filled sentiment.

You come into these threads where people want to talk about the film and just post these articles or comments about something you admitedly hate and allegedly never watch.
Honestly, why do you care about coming here? Do you not have anything more productive to do with your life?

No, you can't "just answer that", as you're not Cephus and do not get to speak for him.

It isn't "hate" to speak the truth about the situation, nor is it "being blinded" to disagree with someone about a movie. However, you insist that it is in both cases and continue to attack anyone who disagrees with you. The Marvels lost money and is continuing to lose money, despite your feelings about it (and for the record, I actually decided to go see it for myself and was just appalled by it), along with the more recent Disney/ Marvel offerings.

Reality isn't concerned about how much you love a franchise; it is what it is. How you deal with it is on you.

So with that in mind, I need to ask you a question: are the Disney movies something that you're holding so closely to your heart that you feel the need to tear apart anyone who you feel isn't doing likewise?

As for what he's "doing with his life": that's a pretty crass question to ask anyone.

Keep in mind: people who dislike a movie have just as much right to discuss it as those who do. You don't get to play gatekeeper.

The Marvels only made $6.6 million Thursday preview, compared to almost $10 million for The Flash. Even things like Black Widow, which was during the pandemic and was day-and-date on Disney+, it made $13 million preview Thursday.

These are verifiable facts, not opinions.

This thing is going to bomb huge.

Exactly. Numbers aren't "opinions"; they are a metric, a value that denotes information to people about the quantity of a specific category. In this case, it's dollars earned; The Marvels apparently didn't do very well in that category.

 

[renaissance_man]

No, you can't "just answer that", as you're not Cephus and do not get to speak for him.

It isn't "hate" to speak the truth about the situation, nor is it "being blinded" to disagree with someone about a movie. However, you insist that it is in both cases and continue to attack anyone who disagrees with you. The Marvels lost money and is continuing to lose money, despite your feelings about it (and for the record, I actually decided to go see it for myself and was just appalled by it), along with the more recent Disney/ Marvel offerings.

Reality isn't concerned about how much you love a franchise; it is what it is. How you deal with it is on you.

So with that in mind, I need to ask you a question: are the Disney movies something that you're holding so closely to your heart that you feel the need to tear apart anyone who you feel isn't doing likewise?

As for what he's "doing with his life": that's none of your business.


Exactly. Numbers aren't "opinions"; they are a metric, a value that denotes information to people about the quantity of a specific category. In this case, it's dollars earned; The Marvels apparently didn't do very well in that category.

Keep in mind: people who dislike a movie have just as much right to discuss it as those who do. You don't get to play gatekeeper.

I'm not playing gatekeeper, but someone who continuously comes into a forum to post negative comments that have nothing to do with the content of the film and also as I said allegedly don't even watch the films or apparently even care for them add nothing to the conversation.

How is coming here to keep posting things like and I'm paraphrasing here "this will bomb" "Marvel suck" etc.

You say I'm attacking but then look back at what Cephus himself put, implying that anyone who likes a film is "so busy fellating the mouse that they've lost all contact with reality".

Now tell me who is attacking people.
It's this kind of nasty rhetoric that is polluting the board.
I'm sure it probably violates some board rules.
Certain members here just continuously post negative things in threads they again allegedly have no interest which is really odd.

I'm glad you at least went to see the film and if you didn't like it that's fine, but at least you can make an informed decision based on actually seeing the film.

 

[cboath]

I'm not saying anything directly about anyone. I haven't either. I will say i've seen lots of disdain for Brie Larson and Capt. Marvel (the first movie) and i think a there's a lot of carryover of that into reviews even by so-called professionals. Some of whom, in general looking to find things to take shots at instead of giving honest impressions of what they saw. I don't go to anything marvel looking for best picture candidates. I look to have fun, which I did. Were there things i'd probably have done different? Probably. To me it seemed they went more of the buddy movie, comedy route - which is fine. It's a departure to an extent, of what they've done in the past and it seemed to work well enough for me.

I find it funny people want to call other Disney fans and attribute positive things to them because they're fans or worshippers and not because they liked something. I think it's more accurate to say there are those out there who hate disney and are more likely to take shots at anything they do, earned or not. Say what you want, it works both ways and you generally here much more from those on the hate side that the pro side. It's how it works, especially online.

Best advice i can give anyone, would be ignore articles, trailers, posts, etc if you plan on seeing something. Go in as blank as possible, you're virtually guaranteed to have a better time.

Baggage sucks and weighs you down, and without reading 4 pages of stuff, i'd wager there's a fair share of baggage here and i know there's lots out there elsewhere in that regard. And again, that works both ways. There are people who over defend stuff like they have a personal stake, that's absolutely true. There's many more who take shots shots for the sake of doing so as well. Not saying either applies to the thread, but it does apply overall and i think it heavily affects so-called professional reviews, rotten tomatoes, online articles etc.

If you like it great. If you don't that's fine, too. But people need to stop taking it so damned personally when someone says the opposite of what they think.

 

[JPH]

It was Oookayyy.

Not great. Not terible.

****SPOILERS***,

A planet where people sing. Where was Wesley to run into the flower bed?

I could not watch the Ms. Marvel show. After the second episode, I was done. Thank goodness they got throught the hump of her fangrrl excitement and moved on.

...and then she gets a dose of reality. Movie reality.

The stereotypical family is annoying.

****BIG SPOILER, REQUEST FOR EXPLANATION***

I wonder how Kamala was able to use powers after givingup her bangle/bracelet thingy. it seems like a major screw up.

****MORE SPOILERS****

I feel like there is a massive hole in the MCU based on what she did to the Kree. But I dont blame Brie's Marvel for doing it. One day I will wake up and realize that this movie's story wrecked the MCU, like shields in TLJ.

the three training together was cliche' but fun, and necessary.

****SPOILERS DUN***

I don't mind Brie Larson playing a serious person who respects her powers. Most of the MCU are folks competing to get the best zinger/quip/burn. Its like a machine shop filled with people who are all missing fingers, making jokes. She is also missing a finger or two, but doesn't joke around.

Let's see if this movie has legs.

I saw the reports of advanced sales plummeting like a sheep.

ten years from now will we all be talking about the "good ol dayz", when superhero movies were abundant (?) or will we happy we've moved on to the age of Barbie ripoffs? Barbie vs Monarch vs Godzilla!!!

 

[ArtistTheGeek]

Just got back from seeing this, me and my wife thought it was great fun. Although this clearly isn't the site for people who think like that.

 

[Laspector]

You've also got to remember that most people just don't go to the movies anymore. period.

 

[Usagi Pilgrim]

It was Oookayyy.

Not great. Not terible.

****SPOILERS***,

A planet where people sing. Where was Wesley to run into the flower bed?

I could not watch the Ms. Marvel show. After the second episode, I was done. Thank goodness they got throught the hump of her fangrrl excitement and moved on.

...and then she gets a dose of reality. Movie reality.

The stereotypical family is annoying.

****BIG SPOILER, REQUEST FOR EXPLANATION***

I wonder how Kamala was able to use powers after givingup her bangle/bracelet thingy. it seems like a major screw up.

****MORE SPOILERS****

I feel like there is a massive hole in the MCU based on what she did to the Kree. But I dont blame Brie's Marvel for doing it. One day I will wake up and realize that this movie's story wrecked the MCU, like shields in TLJ.

the three training together was cliche' but fun, and necessary.

****SPOILERS DUN***

I don't mind Brie Larson playing a serious person who respects her powers. Most of the MCU are folks competing to get the best zinger/quip/burn. Its like a machine shop filled with people who are all missing fingers, making jokes. She is also missing a finger or two, but doesn't joke around.

Let's see if this movie has legs.

I saw the reports of advanced sales plummeting like a sheep.

ten years from now will we all be talking about the "good ol dayz", when superhero movies were abundant (?) or will we happy we've moved on to the age of Barbie ripoffs? Barbie vs Monarch vs Godzilla!!!

Kamala is a mutant. That was revealed in the show's finale. Even played a musical cue from the X-Men animated show. I believe the bangle just unlocked her mutation.