The Keep (1983 film)

Discussion in 'Entertainment and Movie Talk' started by Flecktarn92, Feb 4, 2012.

  1. Flecktarn92

    Flecktarn92 Active Member

    Trophy Points:
    341
    I'm sure many of you have seen it but regardless what did you think. I just watched it, it has been hanging around on my Netflix instant for awhile. Supposedly its a hard movie to find as their are no DVD copies of it so if you have Netflix and haven't seen it I recommend it.

    I thought it was pretty entertaining and overall a pretty good film but towards the end it got a little bit weird. The movie kind of lost itself within the plot. It seemed kind of rushed. The music was good, but mostly didn't really fit in a WWII movie (one or two parts fit were alright).

    After I did a little research and I just seemed to really like it and looked around here if there were any threads or discussions about it but didn't really find anything.

    I think it has a lot of potential and I would love to see a remake of it done right. I may go out and get the book and apparently theirs a short run comic of it as well.

    And also are their any other GOOD films that have a similar theme ie Germans/Nazis getting involved into the occult/magic/ancient forces etc etc (I know Indiana Jones).

    So long story short: discuss ;)
     
  2. Lear60man

    Lear60man Master Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

    Trophy Points:
    2,890
    I dont get starstruck much, but when I met Michael Mann....that was one time. I had no idea why I liked this movie so much as a kid. Then Miami Vice showed up, The insider etc.

    MM films are art to me. And art is totally subjective to the person viewing it. He has a talent for setting a tone that grabs the viewer into his world.

    I am holding off on watching it as I am afraid it wont hold up to my memories.

    But from what I remember, something about it was so cool to watch.
     
  3. Ford W Maverick

    Ford W Maverick Well-Known Member

    Trophy Points:
    567
    Have you seen Hellboy?
     
  4. Flecktarn92

    Flecktarn92 Active Member

    Trophy Points:
    341
    Ah yes, not for awhile though I remember the beginning. I'm gonna have to watch that again. Thanks for reminding me.

    And Lear I kind of know what you mean. I've only seen a few of his newer films and by the way you described his movies I have a feeling that you will enjoy this movie.

    It's a very strange film, I've never really felt this way after watching a movie before. Its very odd, the visuals, the story and the music all kind of make you love this film but at the same time (for a lack of a better term) hate it. Yet after you finish watching it and let it settle in for awhile you want to go back for seconds.

    Tangerine Dream did the soundtrack and as I said in the first post it doesn't fit but its good music.
     
  5. Lear60man

    Lear60man Master Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

    Trophy Points:
    2,890
    Let me reiterate. I did watch it when it came out on VHS in the 80's. I really hope it hols up to the test of time. Other loved flicks from the 80's did for me. But then again Im a MM fan.

    Ever watch Manhunter?
     
  6. Jannix Quinn

    Jannix Quinn Sr Member

    Trophy Points:
    1,981
    See if you can find the novel. It's WAY better.

    I read the book before the movie and this was my face.

    :confused
     
  7. Clutch

    Clutch Master Member

    Trophy Points:
    3,336
    Say what you will, I thought it was a decent movie with a few really cool shots scattered throughout. I loved the music as well.
     
  8. Jet Beetle

    Jet Beetle Sr Member Gone but not forgotten.

    Trophy Points:
    2,147
    The best shot in the movie is when that guy
    Sticks his head in the wall and they do
    That forever pullback to where he's just
    A tiny dot.
     
  9. Kerr Avon

    Kerr Avon Master Member

    Trophy Points:
    2,841
  10. dbuck

    dbuck Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

    Trophy Points:
    2,011

    Me too.
     
  11. Flecktarn92

    Flecktarn92 Active Member

    Trophy Points:
    341
    At $4.00 shipping included I am probably gonna order the book.

    And Kerr Avon when you say real do you mean there are actually movies with real elements of nazis and the occult?
     
  12. MooCriket

    MooCriket Master Member

    Trophy Points:
    3,366
    That was a great scene!:thumbsup. I think I was in middle school when my older Brother was watching this and I caught a glimpse of that scene. Not a bad 80's film at all.
     
  13. Kerr Avon

    Kerr Avon Master Member

    Trophy Points:
    2,841
    Yes, "The Outpost" is based on some actual experimentation on something called "The Bell" which involved some odd mangling of science and possible occult ties.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bell_(German)

    How much of it is true? Hard to say, but we know the Nazis were involved in some real oddball things.
     
  14. Lutso

    Lutso Sr Member

    Trophy Points:
    1,307
    I will definitely take this recommendation to heart. I'm a rather big Michael Mann fan and had always sort of wondered about this film.

    Tangerine Dream also did the music for Risky Business.
     
  15. Flagg

    Flagg Sr Member

    Trophy Points:
    1,681
    I "Loved" this book and then I saw the movie and was a little let down. If you do get the book and like it you should check out some of the others written by F. Paul Wilson as they kind of tie together with some characters etc.
     
  16. Ford W Maverick

    Ford W Maverick Well-Known Member

    Trophy Points:
    567
    I'm glad you reminded me of this movie and the fact that it's on Netflix. I wanted to see it back in the 80's when I saw it featured on an FX show. I think it was 'Movie Magic' on the Discovery Channel.
     
  17. Wes R

    Wes R Legendary Member

    Trophy Points:
    6,750
    I remember catching this on a late night movie showing on some channel in the early 90s and it always stuck with me for some reason. Hard to believe it isn't on dvd yet.
     
  18. D48thRonin

    D48thRonin Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

    Trophy Points:
    1,610
    I first saw this on cable back in the '80s and remember liking it - there were definitely some cool shots in it (and I was a fan of MM's work).

    Many years later I read the book and found it to be far superior to the film - particularly the concept of the talisman/weapon (it was much cooler and made a lot more sense in the book). Afterwards I went back and watched the film again - it didn't hold up very well (for me). Again, the weapon that they came up with for the film was pretty cheesy in comparison to the original concept (not sure why they felt the need to change it).

    I'd be almost afraid to watch it again now - I have a feeling that I'd find it horrifically bad :unsure
     
  19. Clutch

    Clutch Master Member

    Trophy Points:
    3,336
    I started watching it again last night. There are just so many cool moments in this movie. The slo-mo of the soldier bathed in light running toward the silver cross. The cool pull-back of the soldier looking through the opening in the wall. The incorporeal body of Molasar that looks like smoke going in reverse with the glowing eyes/brain.
     
  20. adamata

    adamata Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

    Trophy Points:
    1,341
    Yup, agree. I am a huge fan of F. Paul Wilson and have read all of his stuff. This story is actually the first book in a long series. Although it can stand alone, the characters continue into other books, and also cross over into his other characters books as well.

    I would love to see this redone right, its a great story.
     
  21. adamata

    adamata Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

    Trophy Points:
    1,341
    Oh, and I got to meet the FX guy who created Molasar for the film. It was Nick Maley, the same guy who helped create Yoda. he has a studio on the island of St Thomas. Great guy, who spoke about SW and stuff for half an hour.
     
  22. Mola Rob

    Mola Rob Sr Member

    Trophy Points:
    1,685
    I was one of the dozen or so people who saw The Keep in the theater back in '83 (I helped support a lot of flops in the '80's). It's a mess of a movie on so many levels but I still like it. I love the mood created by the mix of cinematography and the music by Tangerine Dream. The oppressive doom filled atmosphere is right down my alley.

    The Keep is one of the movies I would love to see restored to the directors original vision with all the footage that ended up on the cutting room floor added back in. I know Michael Mann has pretty much disowned the movie for various reasons so I doubt we will ever see it.
     
    Last edited: Feb 8, 2012
  23. BrotherWilliam

    BrotherWilliam Well-Known Member

    Trophy Points:
    567
    Yeah, me three.

    In the book, the crosses all over the walls and the beastie within are all supposed to be the origins of the vampire myth. Nothing was mentioned about having a Darkseid clone camped in Transylvania. :facepalm

    The movie itself left me feeling very disappointed.
     
  24. Indys brother

    Indys brother Active Member

    Trophy Points:
    331
    This thread got me curious, (nazis and the occult are a good mix of creepy) so I fired up the netflix and here is my opinion. I have to agree with the overall sentiment that the movie is pretty flawed, but there are some really great shots in it. Is it for everybody? definitely not. If you are into 80's film, it's a guilty pleasure. The soundtrack, Mann's cameras perpetually in slo-mo, matte paintings for backgrounds, unexplained plot devices (i.e., the glowing eyes thing), the artsy sex scene that makes me wonder if anyone involved in its creation has ever had sex with another human being before....I could go on. Anyway. I enjoyed it (as best I could) by viewing it as what it was: a clunky film version of what was probably a good book, and an 80's film time capsule.
     
  25. Flecktarn92

    Flecktarn92 Active Member

    Trophy Points:
    341
    Just suggesting some other movies that I've seen that are based on Nazis and the occult/mysticism and all things conspiracy:
    The Boys from Brazil

    Ones that look interesting:
    The Bunker (2001)
    Iron Sky
    The Outpost (already suggested by Kerr Avon)
     

Share This Page