The Dark Knight Rises (Post-release)

The whole ending makes it pretty clear that Bruce Wayne survived. You have Fox discovering that Bruce had fixed the autopilot months earlier.
Then you had Gordon seeing the repaired bat signal and smiling, looking around to see if batman was around.
Then seeing bruce alive with selena kyle at the end makes it clear.
My dad wondered if perhaps this was what Alfred wanted to see, but this the first time I've seen it suggested that Alfred's bit in the ending is a flashback rather than epilogue.
The ending scene is clearly an epilogue; showing us what becomes of bruce's friends and legacy.
Wayne Manor will be used to help orphans. Gordon will continue what they started while Blake will carry on as the new batman. Alfred will be able to live comfortably and happily knowing that bruce made it. Selena Kyle cleared her record and started over with bruce.
 
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The most obvious proof that Alfred was not having another hallucination is that he saw Bruce with Selina. Alfred had no idea who Selina was. If it was indeed Nolan's intent to make the ending ambiguous (which it wasn't, he clearly wanted the audience to know that Bruce had survived), he would have sat a random girl next to Bruce, not a character WE know exists, but Alfred doesn't.
 
He did know who she was, he talked to her at the beginning of the movie when he gave her the plate for Bruce, and then later he saw her picture on the bat-computer.
But it wasn't very ambiguous that Bruce is alive and well...
I really don't see how the movie was confusing, some detail are harder to catch but come on, I saw it only in English, which isn't my primary language, and I understood it just fine !
Shoot away what you didn't understand, I'm sure many if us can answer them easily ...
 
The way I took it was that Blake will be his own hero aka Robin and not need the bat suit. How this movie is confusing is beyond me. Everything was so clearly spelled out especially Bruce Wayne surviving at the end and passing on his legacy. Everything from the autopilot being fixed and him lying that it had no autopilot when he carted the bomb,the pearl necklace missing off the inventory list on his will, the way Selina kept asking for him to leave with her,Bruce leaving a bag of goodies and directions to get Blake into the batcave,the bat signal being fixed etc etc...

Ben
 
This thread has become confusing. :lol

Jawafive said:
The longer I am away from it the less I like the movie. I didn't think it was confusing, but it certainly was boring. My main gripe more than anything is that we spend so much time on Bruce Wayne there is almost no time with Batman. While I love character development in a film, I paid the money at a midnight premier to see Batman character development. The movie was very much like a poorly written comic book, laughable plot, bad villains, and you couldn't wait til it was over so you could be done with it. It's the only Batman film I don't own. I understand Nolan's vision but I hope we get something a little closer to Avengers next time and not this.
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I can totally understand and respect how someone might have found it drawn out and boring. And Batman certainly did take a back seat in the last 2 films of the series. No doubt. But I really really want Justice League and the new take on Batman to be as far away as The Avengers as possible.
 
coofunkcurly said:
This thread has become confusing. :lol



I can totally understand and respect how someone might have found it drawn out and boring. And Batman certainly did take a back seat in the last 2 films of the series. No doubt. But I really really want Justice League and the new take on Batman to be as far away as The Avengers as possible.
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Yes and Yes! Way too much over thinking in this thread lol. And I totally agree with you, Kev. Really hope Justice League is nothing like Avengers. I'm digging the tone of Man of Steel. Whatever comes next after this I hope it keep its serious tone... But that's just me. :D
 
teragon said:
He did know who she was, he talked to her at the beginning of the movie when he gave her the plate for Bruce, and then later he saw her picture on the bat-computer.
But it wasn't very ambiguous that Bruce is alive and well...
I really don't see how the movie was confusing, some detail are harder to catch but come on, I saw it only in English, which isn't my primary language, and I understood it just fine !
Shoot away what you didn't understand, I'm sure many if us can answer them easily ...
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True, but what I meant was that Alfred didn't know who she was in terms of her association / relationship with Bruce. So, had Alfred made it all up, it is highly unlikely that he would have imagined Bruce with a random face he saw a couple of times over the last few months, who by chance just happens to be someone Bruce actually had a secret relationship with.

I really just used it as another example of why people need to stop looking at this film as some sort of superhero version of Inception. As you say, there was nothing confusing about the movie, and all the so called ambiguous points can be easily explained in context of the trilogy. The main point being that Bruce is quite obviously alive, and there was never any intention by Nolan to make us question this.
 
gizmo said:
The way I took it was that Blake will be his own hero aka Robin and not need the bat suit..........the bat signal being fixed etc etc...
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Why would they have a new Bat signal yet he will be Robin? That doesn't make sense. I hate to fight my wife on this issue as well.

Blake is taking up the role of Batman and not Robin, they only made his middle name Robin because if it was Dick, Grayson, Jason, Todd, Tim, or Drake most people wouldn't get the reference to him being Batman's understudy except comic book readers.
 
iMan said:
Why would they have a new Bat signal yet he will be Robin? That doesn't make sense. I hate to fight my wife on this issue as well.

Blake is taking up the role of Batman and not Robin, they only made his middle name Robin because if it was Dick, Grayson, Jason, Todd, Tim, or Drake most people wouldn't get the reference to him being Batman's understudy except comic book readers.
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I guess your right there.

Ben
 
gizmo said:
I guess your right there.

Ben
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I hope I didn't sound like a ****** because I wasn't trying to. Sorry if it came across like that. That's what I hate about text, you never know how the person writing it sounds.

So who all bought the non-cowl trilogy Blu-Ray pack with the little Making of book just for the book, even though they already owned one or two of the other movies on Blu-Ray?
 
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All this ********?! Really?! Hey you guuuuuys, the answer to every question and complaint is simple. Why?! Because he's the ******* Batman, that's why.



You do of course realize that the films are all based off of a COMIC character, yes?
 
coofunkcurly said:
This thread has become confusing. :lol



I can totally understand and respect how someone might have found it drawn out and boring. And Batman certainly did take a back seat in the last 2 films of the series. No doubt. But I really really want Justice League and the new take on Batman to be as far away as The Avengers as possible.
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Let me clarify, if I can. I don't want some sort of carbon copy of the avengers (I didn't like the movie) but I want a film that is much more ground in the comic book universe than the real world. Avengers was not afraid to put them in more comic-inspired outfits and use plots that were obviously not as "real world possible". That's all I want is a comic book batman that looks like it could be in one of the books. Same for the villains!
 
MooCriket said:
You do of course realize that the films are all based off of a COMIC character, yes?
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No dude, it's all super realistic. That's the best part of the movies, is that they are all so feasible and based off real life things. That's why you don't like the Nolan movies, it's because you don't get it. It's just all so dark and realistic.


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Lutso said:
No dude, it's all super realistic. That's the best part of the movies, is that they are all so feasible and based off real life things. That's why you don't like the Nolan movies, it's because you don't get it. It's just all so dark and realistic.


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:lol :lol :lol
 
Lutso said:
No dude, it's all super realistic. That's the best part of the movies, is that they are all so feasible and based off real life things. That's why you don't like the Nolan movies, it's because you don't get it. It's just all so dark and realistic.


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What?! Unless my sarcasm detector is broken, my point was clearly that it is just a film based off of a comic so stop bitching about how nothing is perfectly tied together for those who keep complaining about Nolan's version. sleep

I've only ever disliked one Batman film, if you want to call Batman and Robin a film.
 
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