The CW's Arrow

[cboath]

They did pretty much the same thing last season didn't they? Everything seemed to be wrapped up in a nice little bow at the end of the season.

They did that pretty much in seasons 1 and 2. The current story line was wrapped up and there was no cheesy cliffhanger at the end of the season. To me, that's how it ought to be done. Throwing in a 4-5 month cliffhanger is just lazy IMO...

I'll admit, this one did have a series finale' feel to it at the end. The others wrapped up current story lines, but this year they seemed to do that and lay out everyone's future to an extent.

I don't think they'll reboot based on time travel in flash as you're asking too much when coupling two shows together, essentially, permanently. I think if they wanna do that with flash, then the crossovers basically end. If they go that route, it will likely be the first few weeks, maybe mid season for season 2 of flash before it's worked back to the concurrent timeline. You know with 3 shows run by the same people on the same network they're going to want to keep crossing over so they can't jack with the overall timeline much.

 

[Treadwell]

I was gonna say "thank goodness all that League of Assassins crap is over with", but GREAT, now Malcolm is Ra's, so it'll still be a thing. SO tired of it. Don't care.

How were they making all of those to-Asia-and-back trips in the blink of an eye? Just flying there itself, much less trekking to whatever secret remote mountain location.

And speaking of which, there is no logical way to explain Oliver's recent Flash appearance. I know they tried, but...no. There's no way to shoehorn him going halfway around the world and back in the middle of his time schmoozing Ra's.

And I know it's a conceit one has to accept when one's hero does not carry firearms, but it's beyond ridiculous how many times they DON'T get shot. Six goons with machine guns, our guys in the open 15 feet away...nothing. They don't even try to sneak or use cover anymore.

All this about "let's not kill people", and yet no one on either side bats an eye about knocking off League minions by the dozen. So much for that "save Thea's soul" nonsense, because a LOT of people died in the process!

I imagine our nocturnal heroes get some shuteye during the day. When does Felicity sleep?

What has Oliver's income been these last couple of years, after he was stripped of everything? Something's gotta pay for the protein powder. Roy, too, come to think of it. I guess Diggle sponges off his wife.

How does Thea keep a nightclub running when she's hardly ever there and apparently has no employees?

Agreed with the comments of everyone being so dour. Maybe that was part of what I was saying in the Flash thread about actor performances during crossovers: the often seem to lose their angst when they're on the other show, Laurel in particular.

Agreed on Laurel, am not convinced she's a badass. Studies and works in law for X years, then gets a few boxing lessons and a few tips from an assassin...no.

More "having characters say or do (or not say or do) things strictly for the convenience of the overall plot, no matter how contrived. Quentin's butthurtness over Oliver not telling him about Sarah? The words "Laurel asked me not to" would put an end to that in two seconds.

I think I might be done.

 

[Vox]

I have to ask this: did anyone else find Felicity in the Atom suit just a tad unbelievable? The suit is designed for a guy 50% broader and about a foot taller than her, and she magically knew how to fly in it? I'm all for willing suspension of disbelief for a lot of things, but when watching a show that has tried to make most things realistic, I found that that stuck out in a bad way.

 

[glunark]

Or maybe he was just remote flying it like Oliver did for him in the fight.

 

[Sundowner]

I have to ask this: did anyone else find Felicity in the Atom suit just a tad unbelievable? The suit is designed for a guy 50% broader and about a foot taller than her, and she magically knew how to fly in it? I'm all for willing suspension of disbelief for a lot of things, but when watching a show that has tried to make most things realistic, I found that that stuck out in a bad way.

I saw it coming and then cringed when she showed up.

 

[Solo4114]

Eh, I gave that a pass, mostly because I was already kinda over this season.

The whole League thing was always kind of vague. It seemed the League was more concerned with internal politics than anything else. What's their mission -- in the show, I mean -- anyway? I don't even remember anymore because it was all about who's the next Ra's an such.

I've also about had my fill of the dark-and-depressing nature of the show, especially in contrast to The Flash. I get that the shows have different vibes, but it's just getting to be a grind at how bleak and sad Arrow is for its characters. I mean, what happened to the fun stuff like when the Suicide Squad was deployed? I think the show needs a little more levity and a little less grimness. I'm hoping Oliver's "I can't do it alone" speech heralds a new direction for the show, and Malcolm's taking over the League will mean that they're more out of the picture for a while. There's plenty to work with in this universe that we don't need to keep going to these bleak storylines. Also, it'd be nice if they could write Laurel and Thea so they aren't so ******* annoying.

 

[Vox]

Or maybe he was just remote flying it like Oliver did for him in the fight.

I thought about that. But during that link, Oliver's attention was completely on manipulating the suit with Ray in it. In the finale, the whole reason Ray couldn't go is because he had to stay focused on dispersing the cure via his nano-tech. I do not think he could have completed that task while trying to safely fly Felicity across the city to save Oliver. It was never addressed, so there is room for the benefit of the doubt, I am just unwilling to give it in this circumstance.

That said, even if that was the case, I still don't know how she fit in it. As a counter example: in Iron Man 3, the Mark 42 ends up on RDJ, Gweneth Paltrow, and Guy Pierce at one point or another. They are all of comparable height and stature, so it seemed more plausible.

 

[Mr Mold Maker]

I have many gripes with this season... Felicity in particular being the main one. She was the most poorly written character through this season and makes it almost unwatchable a second time. The "actress" who plays her always resorts to that one droning voice because she clearly can't act or emote anything other than three shades of happy. You know exactly what voice I'm talking about.:lol

I could write you a thousand word essay on everything wrong with the plot of the show over the course of the season, but I'll spare you.. this time. :lol


If they don't come through with a "lighter tone" for season 4, I honestly don't think I'll be watching. The overly dramatic "edge" they try to put on it has gotten ridiculous.

 

[Solo4114]

As long as they do something akin to the Flashpoint Paradox story, where Barry goes back, saves his mother, and ROYALLY screws the timeline in the process, only to have the heartbreaking realization that he has to go back and stop himself from saving his mother, then I'm good.

Also, I'm saying it now: Temporal Shenanigans is the new catchphrase we should use around here.

I have many gripes with this season... Felicity in particular being the main one. She was the most poorly written character through this season and makes it almost unwatchable a second time. The "actress" who plays her always resorts to that one droning voice because she clearly can't act or emote anything other than three shades of happy. You know exactly what voice I'm talking about.:lol

As is often the case with these shows, I don't think the actress is the problem. She's been perfectly serviceable when they've given her more to do. The problem is that the writers are giving her weak material. You see this same issue with Laurel and Thea, and with Iris on The Flash. These are perfectly fine actresses who are being given irritating material and possibly weak direction. That's not to say they can't still be annoying; of course they can. But I don't think you can blame the actresses.

I could write you a thousand word essay on everything wrong with the plot of the show over the course of the season, but I'll spare you.. this time. :lol


If they don't come through with a "lighter tone" for season 4, I honestly don't think I'll be watching. The overly dramatic "edge" they try to put on it has gotten ridiculous.

I do agree here. The plot for this season seemed...iffy. There were some good individual episodes, but a lot of what went on struck me as pretty weak material. The League thing started out interestingly, but just got so convoluted that it lost focus and became irritating. The League itself seemed hell bent on...uh...forcing Oliver to become Ra's? And that's about it.

I get the sense that there's been a fair bit of criticism and that criticism has been relatively uniform (irritating tone, irritating characters, League story was weak, etc.), so hopefully the showrunners are aware that some stuff needs to change.

THAT SAID:

- I really liked the addition of Ray to the cast this season. I'm glad he's heading to his own show, but I liked him here. He brought a little levity to the whole thing.

- I like that Laurel is finally starting to become useful instead of a drag on the team.

- I like the notion of Dig becoming a masked character.

- I do not for a second believe Oliver is retiring for good, although things with Felicity might continue. I hope they don't arbitrarily split them up.

 

[The Mad Professor]

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Barry: Hey, Wells? What's that place you like to go to in the 23rd century, with all the goofy stuff on the walls and the mozzarella sticks?

Wells: You mean Temporal Shenanigans?

 

[Kevin Gossett]

 

[Treadwell]

Yeah, I'm done. It's okay. Watching too much TV as it is.

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[HyruleInfantry]

Saw it earlier. It's in the Legends of Tomorrow thread.



Looks like she got hit with the Pit. My guess? Nyssa's doing.



I'm digging it.



Definitely digging that part. Let's hope they do the character justice.

I agree with the pit theory. Although why it wasn't done after Ra's was dead and the assassination of Malcolm lifted I don't know.

 

[Solo4114]

I don't really have a problem with introducing magic and mysticism, if it's done right. I think what'll be more important is that the purpose of it within the world stays clear. My big criticism about last season was that the League's focus on Oliver just seemed...doofy. Like, the League is supposed to be about something, but that got completely lost in the whole "Ra's needs an heir" nonsense, all of which shifted focus away from the League's raison d'etre. Without that, they're just random goons.

So, ok, fine, introduce some of the more otherworldly elements we see in comics. Just do so in a way that actually has a purpose beyond "We wanted a real threat for Oliver that we hadn't seen before."

 

[Treadwell]

I can't claim magic and mysticism is a deviation from the comics world, so they're not misstepping in that regard. I simply do not enjoy that stuff (and avoid the comics that deal with it), so it's just a personal preference.

For example, I enjoyed Zatanna in B:TAS, where she was not presented as having any "real" magical powers; she was just a magician in the real-world sense as far as one could tell from those isolated appearances. When she popped up in Justice League chanting spells.... yeah.

(And I realize it isn't any more ludicrous than superpowers, but I yam what I yam!)

 

[HyruleInfantry]

Did anyone see the trailer for the new spin-off Legends of Tomorrow? Sara is alive!... somehow. It looks interesting. And Hawkgirl will be in it

Looks like it is going to be one heck of a ride.
Plus it definitely looks like Sara took a dip in the Lazarus Pit. When and how long after she was buried is a true mystery. I hope they going into depth about that.

 

[Usagi Pilgrim]

WOO-HOOOOoooo...

Constantine is coming!

More excited for the new season than EVER!!!

http://www.superherohype.com/news/349707-matt-ryan-to-guest-star-as-john-constantine-on-arrow

 

[Solo4114]

Interesting, though I'm not gonna hold out hope that this means there could be a series revival.

 

[The Mad Professor]

So apparently, Stephen Amell has been doing some interesting promotional work...

On one hand, I'm a bit disappointed in how he's stooping, but on the other, there's no such thing as bad publicity in Hollywood...

 

[Usagi Pilgrim]

He's a huge WWE fan, & has been teasing doing something with them for several months now.

Plus, not sure I'd consider this 'stooping'.:confused