The Batman

Obviously they didn't like it or they wouldn't say so.

When one says that they didn't like something because there's constant rabbits in it when in fact there's 30 seconds of rabbits in a 3 hour movie, that's where the issue comes in. Or a character dresses as a guinea pig and someone complains about the rabbit costume. Or this film was too dark to have rats in it when in fact rats are mostly nocturnal. Or I hated that squirrel when there were none to be found.

Along with that there's "I don't like this version of Batman because he didn't display characteristics of Batman and it's wrong," when in fact it should be "I don't like this version of Batman because he didn't display the particular characteristics I like to see in Batman."

Batman doesn't always have to save the day to be Batman and there are many different versions of him. For evidence of this read the comics. In fact for evidence that The Batman was how Batman is often portrayed (especially over the last 30 years) go to the comics. Unfortunately many have been saying "it's wrong" instead of "I didn't like it."

I don't spend a lot of time watching youtube complainers... I'm specifically talking about comic nerds. My friends.

Youtubers will find a way to say this flick is gonna get KK fired from Lucasfilm - those guys are nuts.

The only youtube complainer I'm gonna check out is Mr. Marc Bernardin - hopefully tonight.

- one quickie thing that REALLLLLY bumped for me in this...

I live by a sea wall... If they blew it up, there would be no floods.... Gotham is below sea level? I don't get what happened and there was no setup for it....

At least in "Rises" everything was set up - "oh with a press of this here button we can flood this room!"

cool.

"THEY BLEW UP THE SEA WALL! WE ALL GONNA DROWN!!!"

What? What sea wall? Did I miss something? I live next to a sea wall... literally that would just ruin my running route....
 
It also may be generational as per that Watchmen Meme...

I tapped out of comics around the time Bane broke Batman's back - not out of dissaproval - more out of NO MONEY FOR COMICS.

I've circled back for a few runs and graphic novels (Like White Knight), but with EVERYTHING going on in pop culture I have little time for comics...

So if in the last decade the series has come to Batman being a pretty good stand up fighter, in all body armor, walking into machine gun fire, solving simple riddles, returning to places where he was previously Batman, as Bruce Wayne acting like Batman, scared of heights ninja, who doesn't catch the bad guy and is JUST MISERABLE... then okay... cool.

I do remember reading Court of Owls and liking it... though I thought - same as this flick - there's no need to make his family line corrupt! (is that what happened in Court of Owls? It's been forever....) leave Thomas and Martha Wayne as deaths worth fighting for. The innocent.

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Anyways - remember when Joker walked into the party for Harvey Dent and Bruce Wayne starts walking to his "new cave", beating guys and disarming them? That was dope.

Or maybe I just liked that the lights were turned on.

I always thought Bale Bruce was a pretty big d*ck to Alfred in that flick... to the man who raised him.

That Bruce just held this Bruce's beer.

I'm old.

I'm ready for Bat Cow.

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I can understand the critique...same with EBS...nothing worked for our heroes; MF didn't functioned properly, Han was in "ice" in the end, the Hoth battle wasn't won by the Rebels, etc...Is Batman supposed to always be successful beating the bad guys or solving the riddles in two minutes?
 
I just saw it today and kept from spoilers or advanced outside review influence.

Without spoilers.... I actually REALLY enjoyed this one a lot. I wasn't expecting Pattinson to be as great as I thought, but it all seemed to work out well. I welcomed some of the changes they made about the Waynes and decisions made by characters that were connected to other happenings I won't give away.

Riddler was definitely creepy and is by far the darkest portrayal of him ever, but I always believed he could be a very dangerous villain if he was done in a more real-world style.

The movie went by fairly quick for nearly 3 hours and didn't feel like it.

Not my favorite bat suit, but it was still cool.

I hope they keep going forward with this Batman because it's the first in a long time I've given a crap about since Batman '89 and Dark Knight. They have to stop rebooting this franchise and keep going forward.

Great story overall and felt it was very thoughtfully written. I'll bet there was a bunch left on the cutting room floor if the end cut was nearly 3 hours.
 
I don't spend a lot of time watching youtube complainers... I'm specifically talking about comic nerds. My friends.

Youtubers will find a way to say this flick is gonna get KK fired from Lucasfilm - those guys are nuts.

The only youtube complainer I'm gonna check out is Mr. Marc Bernardin - hopefully tonight.
I don't pay much attention to social media in general either, it's obnoxious. I did for this film after I saw it as some reactions (IRL and online) seemed ridiculously negative and others were flat out bonkers. I was curious to read/hear justifications which mostly turned out to be what I said in my previous post.
 
I don't pay much attention to social media in general either, it's obnoxious. I did for this film after I saw it as some reactions (IRL and online) seemed ridiculously negative and others were flat out bonkers. I was curious to read/hear justifications which mostly turned out to be what I said in my previous post.

Weird, most negative I've seen seem to echo similarly to my feelings... a lot to love in characters, but the tone, length and some story elements dragged it down.

I can't remember who said it, but I agree... I actually felt the same way about this flick as I did "Batman Begins" - and still do. But I Looooooove The Dark Knight - and even Dark Knight Rises (cuz it's so ludicrous). So looking forward to what's down the line.

Actually I have almost all the same complaints about story with this as I do Rises, but Rises was still fun - and this was WAY more serious - so weird story **** stands out (like why no cop thought to press the button on the rat cage with a question mark on it... )

That said, I saw it again last night!

I have a few questions I legit would love if someone knew (I mean I guess I could look it up....but where's the fun discussion?!)

Anyway.... Did Falcone know Selena was his daughter? and if he did, which she said he knew when she was a child, why did she say "Hey dad. I'm Maria Kyles daughter" - like he didn't know that...? Weird line

And what was Riddler trying to do? Did he not say he needed Batman to bring Falcone out? to that specific light? Was bringing him out to the light just be revealing he was the rat... he didn't need Batman to show Falcone was the rat, cuz Batman didn't even do that... he got him arrested for murdering the Russian girl.

If it was about bringing him out to shoot him, he could have done that at the funeral which he was at himself...

But I gotta say. Robert Pattinson is easily my fave take on Batman... I hope the next movie is this trilogy's "The Dark Knight.

Gordon couldn't be better... This Selena Kyle is the best Cat Woman on screen...

All characters were fantastic renditions.

Side nitpick - I can't stand lines like that cop at the end when Batman returned to Riddler's apartment...

"What a way to go.... Killed by a carpet tool..."

"A what?"

"A carpet tool. I come from a long line of carpet installers... my uncle is a carpet expert. Lucky I'm here, eh?"

I would way rather Batman walked in there, and the cop is like "hey put that murder weapon down! that's evidence! "

"No it's a carpet tucker"

"what?"

"It's a tool for installing carpets..."

Batman pushes table aside.

"I'm the goddamn worlds greatest detective and when a tool is used even once on a victim, yet alone twice , I look up what it is..."

Rips up carpet. Reveals map.

"Nice one Batman!"

Batman and the cop high five.
 
Anyway.... Did Falcone know Selena was his daughter? and if he did, which she said he knew when she was a child, why did she say "Hey dad. I'm Maria Kyles daughter" - like he didn't know that...? Weird line

To me, he knows he had a daughter with Maria and may have even known her as a child, but he didn't realize Selena was that kid.
 
That's such a reach for me... There's zero chance I wouldn't know my daughter, if I saw her years later, in the same place she hung as a kid.

Falcone saw little Selena around enough - and he looked her over enough - that Selena asked her mother who he was... so we know he knew back then... Did she even change her name?

Years later she's in the same club, and front and center enough that he's grabbing her face... and doesn't recognize?

I mean... kids don't change THAT much... plus, she probably looks a bit like her mother...

I mean have you seen Lisa bonet? Clone.

He must have known... and her saying that line was just poor writing....
 
Crazy... so everything I look up, Falcone not recognizing his daughter apparently only bumps for me.

If she was just a random kid at the club who's mother he killed, fine. He probably never gave the kid much of a thought. His own kid, who hung out at his club... probably in the 6-8 age bracket... comes back in her 20's... looking like a mix of him and her mom... going by the same name...

Alrighty... *shrug*
 
I didn't catch any reference to Selena having any catburglar experience prior to the events of the film. As we're introduced to her, she works in a bar and that's it. And then there she is putting on a catsuit and repelling from a skylight and using a fancy safecracker thingie. I'm talking information given in the film itself, not requiring prior DC universe knowledge. And if she IS a catburglar, she's an unsuccessful one if she can't pay her bills.
 
I'm thinking that shirtless Batman shot from behind early in the film was a body double, because that guy was way more jacked than the later shirtless scene.
 
I didn't catch any reference to Selena having any catburglar experience prior to the events of the film. As we're introduced to her, she works in a bar and that's it. And then there she is putting on a catsuit and repelling from a skylight and using a fancy safecracker thingie. I'm talking information given in the film itself, not requiring prior DC universe knowledge. And if she IS a catburglar, she's an unsuccessful one if she can't pay her bills.
Didn't they say that the whole her working at the bar was just a way to get close to Falcone's money? And her friend was in on that too? I remember Batman saying something along the lines of "this was just another score." which is where she responds that Falcone owes her that money.
It's a long movie, so I don't remember this perfectly (maybe I'll have to go back and watch it again) but I do think they reveal that she's a thief, and has hit multiple people, through some exposition about at some point
 
Can anyone find any real specs on this 2022 Batmobile (length, weight, HP, etc.)? Doesn't seem to be a lot out there...
 
Oh, I liked it. Little long. 8/10?

So there isn't a bat cave, but a bat....subway? Why would a subway have been built below the Wayne estate (or vice versa)?
edit: oh, I just learned he lives in Wayne Tower (like in the early 70s comics)

The spoilery cameo: can we give that character a rest for a while?
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