The Batman

Characters? Great...

Plot/Runtime/Tone...

Meh.

Can't wait for the SUPER EXTRA GRITTY DARK Batman trilogy after this one.... maybe that one will be so DARK AND EDGY I'll finally cave and love what Batman has become - a miserable character who by then will have parents that weren't just murdered, but he'll learn that his dad actually got his money from robbing people every night as the Joker and his mom just straight up murdered babies in hospitals.

The whole movie will entirely shot in a rainstorm, to hide Batman's incessant sobbing from mental illness...

Nanananananananana BAT... sigh.

I was waiting for him to yell "WHAT'S IN THE BOX!?!?!?" while interrogating Riddler.

But glad y'all liked it.

And I did like Pattinson... I just wish Batman didn't have to be a misery fest. 89 Batman got me into this whole crazy world of capes.
 
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Robin -
The character & backstory works. That's it.

The entire image (name, outfit, colors, etc) are hopeless for modern live action. Absolutely hopeless. Criminals don't have nightmares about robins. Nor about teenage boys in bright red & yellow & green outfits.

Even Joel Schumacher picked a much older actor and scrapped Robin's traditional outfit. That's pretty telling.
 
batguy said:
Robin -
The character & backstory works. That's it.

The entire image (name, outfit, colors, etc) are hopeless for modern live action. Absolutely hopeless. Criminals don't have nightmares about robins. Nor about teenage boys in bright red & yellow & green outfits.

Even Joel Schumacher picked a much older actor and scrapped Robin's traditional outfit. That's pretty telling.
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Maybe, maybe not. You can play with the costume and color scheme, but Robin works because he gives Batman a younger version of himself to look out for and partner with. To a degree, all the bat family fulfill some ideal that Bruce lacks, which is what makes him more than a brooding figure of vengeance. Sadly, the recent films haven't seen fit to do more with Bruce in this way. Getting him to a place where he can trust other people and be less broken is just as important to the character as his origin, in fact it completes his character arc in a way that punching the joker in the nose for the millionth time can never do.
 
Some of the very poor reactions I've seen to this movie elsewhere are absolutely hilarious lol. I'm tempted to post them here but I don't want to give them any kind of boost and some have crass language/content. When people don't like something (which is entirely fine) they sometimes attempt to justify that with extreme exaggerations or flat out invent things to make points that would otherwise fall completely flat lol.
 
Paul Andrew said:
Maybe, maybe not. You can play with the costume and color scheme, but Robin works because he gives Batman a younger version of himself to look out for and partner with. To a degree, all the bat family fulfill some ideal that Bruce lacks, which is what makes him more than a brooding figure of vengeance. Sadly, the recent films haven't seen fit to do more with Bruce in this way. Getting him to a place where he can trust other people and be less broken is just as important to the character as his origin, in fact it completes his character arc in a way that punching the joker in the nose for the millionth time can never do.
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It's 2 years into Bruce being Batman though perhaps a bit early for Robin? At this point Alfred is his entire family but there are many indications in in the film that it won't stay that way. This is the beginning of his humanization and coming to terms with who he is vs. who he wants/needs to be.

A good story really isn't a checklist of things that need to happen, images, tropes or characters that need to appear. I get what you mean about trust and agree to an extent but not at this point in the story.
 
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ScourgiousJinx said:
It's 2 years into Bruce being Batman though perhaps a bit early for Robin? At this point Alfred is his entire family but there are many indications in in the film that it won't stay that way. This story is the beginning of his humanization and coming to terms with who he is vs. who he wants/needs to be.

A good story really isn't a checklist of things that need to happen, images, tropes or characters that need to appear.
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To be clear I'm not suggesting Robin needed to be in this movie, I'm saying the films in general need to quit focusing on Batman as a solo act and move into the larger mythos because that's when you get to see him react to the family he draws to himself rather than the spectre of the one that was taken from him.
 
ScourgiousJinx said:
Some of the very poor reactions I've seen to this movie elsewhere are absolutely hilarious lol. I'm tempted to post them here but I don't want to give them any kind of boost and some have crass language/content. When people don't like something (which is entirely fine) they sometimes attempt to justify that with extreme exaggerations or flat out invent things to make points that would otherwise fall completely flat lol.
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Sounds like about 38% of the 'Entertainment & Movie Talk' section of the RPF.

LOL

JK.

... it's more like 71%.
 
I could see Robin working in the modern Batman movies if he suited up as 'Nightwing' right out of the gate. He could still be an orphaned teenage acrobat named Dick Grayson at the time.

I cannot imagine him strutting the 'Robin' superhero name and the traditional outfit while they are out fighting crime. It's too ridiculous. It takes a big dump on all the efforts to make Batman seem mysterious & scary.
 
batguy said:
I could see Robin working in the modern Batman movies if he suited up as 'Nightwing' right out of the gate. He could still be an orphaned teenage acrobat named Dick Grayson at the time.

I cannot imagine him strutting the 'Robin' superhero name and the traditional outfit while they are out fighting crime. It's too ridiculous. It takes a big dump on all the efforts to make Batman seem mysterious & scary.
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The public gave the vigilante "The Batman" name so maybe the same goes for Robin or maybe Red Robin
 
Sundowner said:
The public gave the vigilante "The Batman" name so maybe the same goes for Robin or maybe Red Robin
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The original name and costume were inspired by Robin Hood, so perhaps you could have Dick taking up the name and doing the rob from the rich/give to the poor thing (he's a kid and not super creative), then they tweak the name and costume when Bruce takes him in.
 
Saw it last night and it's my second favorite Batman movie now. 89 being #1. Probably the first movie in decades I would pay to go see again.
Really hope they do another and that they absolutely do not do Robin.

My wife thought it was boring and Bruce looked awful lol.
 
I'm surprised people are surprised that people didn't like this...

It's like when "The dark Knight" ended and my MOM said "He didn't even save anyone.... what a loser."

"What?"

"the people saved themselves... he didn't save his GF... he didn't save the DA guy... what did he do?"

"haha. Point taken"

In this flick he didn't stop the Riddler... Didn't even catch him... Kyle didn't kill her mom's killer...

Batman solved some pretty easy riddles faster than I could have given a minute...

He did some walking and punching at bad guys... but I mean, he's not really a martial artist. It looked bad ass, but he's not exactly "holy crap, John Wick!" fighting...

None of my Batman friends liked this... I don't think the "haters" are all just guys yelling at clouds.

However those first 20 minutes (OF 180) had me thinking I was seeing the best Batman movie....

But it's just my fave take on the characters, casting of characters, in a movie where I couldn't stop thinking "I wanna watch 'The Dark Knight' when I get home..."

I do think it's a problem they tried to ape "SE7EN" - cuz in seven the bad guy won. In this the Bad Guy also won, only they try to tag on the end "Nooo, BATMAN won because he beat up some guys introduced in the final 20 mins.... and learned a lesson... that may not quite play..."
 
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Sundowner said:
The public gave the vigilante "The Batman" name so maybe the same goes for Robin or maybe Red Robin
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Just call him decoy! Someone to wear bright clothes and catch all the gun fire - errr attention!

the-adventures-of-bat-duck-decoy-felecia-batari.jpg
 
NeoRutty said:
Characters? Great...

Plot/Runtime/Tone...

Meh.

Can't wait for the SUPER EXTRA GRITTY DARK Batman trilogy after this one.... maybe that one will be so DARK AND EDGY I'll finally cave and love what Batman has become - a miserable character who by then will have parents that weren't just murdered, but he'll learn that his dad actually got his money from robbing people every night as the Joker and his mom just straight up murdered babies in hospitals.

The whole movie will entirely shot in a rainstorm, to hide Batman's incessant sobbing from mental illness...

Nanananananananana BAT... sigh.

I was waiting for him to yell "WHAT'S IN THE BOX!?!?!?" while interrogating Riddler.

But glad y'all liked it.

And I did like Pattinson... I just wish Batman didn't have to be a misery fest. 89 Batman got me into this whole crazy world of capes.
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Return to The Animated Series brother and cleanse thyself. ;)
 
Obviously they didn't like it or they wouldn't say so.

When one says that they didn't like something because there's constant rabbits in it when in fact there's 30 seconds of rabbits in a 3 hour movie, that's where the issue comes in. Or a character dresses as a guinea pig and someone complains about the rabbit costume. Or this film was too dark to have rats in it when in fact rats are mostly nocturnal. Or I hated that squirrel when there were none to be found.

Along with that there's "I don't like this version of Batman because he didn't display characteristics of Batman and it's wrong," when in fact it should be "I don't like this version of Batman because he didn't display the particular characteristics I like to see in Batman."

Batman doesn't always have to save the day to be Batman and there are many different versions of him. For evidence of this read the comics. In fact for evidence that The Batman was how Batman is often portrayed (especially over the last 30 years) go to the comics. Unfortunately many have been saying "it's wrong" instead of "I didn't like it."
 
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