The Batman
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Mottrex
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Maybe you need to watch The Lighthouse...
Paul Giamatti is a great actor. He's wrong for Batman.
I'm trying to reserve judgment on RP. He doesn't match the ideal checklist for the role. But there is wiggle room on that list depending on exactly what kind of movie it is. Michael Keaton didn't meet the ideal Batman checklist but they made it work in the Burton universe. Keaton would not have been right for the role in a Batfleck-type movie.
Either way, the rumored drama about RP behind the scenes is probably enough to keep his Batman tenure short. Unless this movie makes 'Joker' money they probably won't hire him back for a second one.
I'm trying to reserve judgment on RP. He doesn't match the ideal checklist for the role. But there is wiggle room on that list depending on exactly what kind of movie it is. Michael Keaton didn't meet the ideal Batman checklist but they made it work in the Burton universe. Keaton would not have been right for the role in a Batfleck-type movie.
Either way, the rumored drama about RP behind the scenes is probably enough to keep his Batman tenure short. Unless this movie makes 'Joker' money they probably won't hire him back for a second one.
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Batman is one franchise where I've been consistantly surprise by when it comes to casting. I remember Keaton being an odd pick and I had my hesitation about Heath Ledger. As much as I loathe Batman V Superman, Affleck was much better than I expected too. So I'm willing to give Pattinson a chance. In fact I rolled my eyes when I heard they were doing yet another version of the character, but honestly that teaser impressed me, which says a lot for someone who is pretty jaded about movies. It could still be a total mess, but the footage I've seen shows a lot of promise. Plus Jeffrey Wright as Gordon is SUPERB choice! I was stoked when I heard he was cast and if the script is good I think he'll be an iconic Gordon. And Paul Dano is just amazing too. His voice over as Riddler sounds creepy as all get out.
I'll reserve judgment for the time being but so far I'm very curious to see this.
I'll reserve judgment for the time being but so far I'm very curious to see this.
The Goon
Sr Member
I wanted to see that while it was still in the theaters, but didn't make it before it played out.
Mottrex
Sr Member
It's certainly an interesting watch and hard in places but the lighting and direction is striking to say the least.
HeartBlade
Sr Member
I do think studios get it mixed up with the draw of big name stars though.
Studios hire big name stars because they think audiences will say “oh wow, so-and-so is in this movie, I have to go watch.” I think this tactic worked in earlier eras (Arnold Swaznegger, Stallone, etc) where big name actors were the main draw but that has honestly faded imo.
thats not to say that many of these big names arnt talented (hence why they became big names in the first place). I dont remember people being hyped about Ledger being Joker since his notable roles were mostly romantic comedies at the time but he knocked it out of the park due to his own talent. People praise Ledger not because its Ledger but because he gave a genuinely amazing performance.
Studios may still be conflating the two (like Disney now trying to hire every big name to star in their marvel films when they were kicked off by previously no-names except RDJ) but that doesnt mean its true. I dont think audiences are going to go see Batman just because Ferrell is in as penguin but the dude is talented so He could knock it out of the park with a unique spin.
Studios hire big name stars because they think audiences will say “oh wow, so-and-so is in this movie, I have to go watch.” I think this tactic worked in earlier eras (Arnold Swaznegger, Stallone, etc) where big name actors were the main draw but that has honestly faded imo.
thats not to say that many of these big names arnt talented (hence why they became big names in the first place). I dont remember people being hyped about Ledger being Joker since his notable roles were mostly romantic comedies at the time but he knocked it out of the park due to his own talent. People praise Ledger not because its Ledger but because he gave a genuinely amazing performance.
Studios may still be conflating the two (like Disney now trying to hire every big name to star in their marvel films when they were kicked off by previously no-names except RDJ) but that doesnt mean its true. I dont think audiences are going to go see Batman just because Ferrell is in as penguin but the dude is talented so He could knock it out of the park with a unique spin.
Yeah this was a big phenomenon back in the day. You weren't going to see the movie so much as you were going to see the star in it. It didn't really matter the movie. That doesn't play the same way anymore. I've posted this before but it bears repeating because it's so dead on to what you're talking about.
Axlotl
Master Member
Not crazy about the trailer, to be honest.
I was hoping for RP from "Lost City of Z" - he hardly spoke a word, but oozed calm confidence. He was a guy you took one look at and knew not to mess with. If a jaguar attacked him in the jungle, he was strolling into the village wearing a brand new jaguar cape.
He looks like an angsty teenager here.
I kind of hate it. I guess I'll have to wait and see what they're going for here, but I'm getting Spiderman 3 vibes, and it's bringing me down, man.
I was hoping for RP from "Lost City of Z" - he hardly spoke a word, but oozed calm confidence. He was a guy you took one look at and knew not to mess with. If a jaguar attacked him in the jungle, he was strolling into the village wearing a brand new jaguar cape.
He looks like an angsty teenager here.
I kind of hate it. I guess I'll have to wait and see what they're going for here, but I'm getting Spiderman 3 vibes, and it's bringing me down, man.
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CT1138
Sr Member
It's an incredibly visually strong movie. I especially love the use of high contrast and the 4:3 ratio to imitate a 1930s low budget movie. But I'd also argue that the acting and the foiling between Dafoe and Paterson is phenomenal. First time I watched it, the impression I was left with was, "Wow, that guy can act!"
The Goon
Sr Member
I do like Willem Dafoe, so whenever I finally have an opportunity to watch it I'm sure it'll be worth it for that alone. I'm hoping Robert Pattinson surprises me, both in The Lighthouse and The Batman.
JLeezy23
Sr Member
He read about the role, was told to act just as awkward as it was written and did exactly that. If you watch him in interviews and on talk shows, he is nothing like the character from Twilight. He's briefly in the movie titled The King, that was a great performace too
Mottrex
Sr Member
Oh it's not a new thing.. Valentino was a Massive draw in the Silent era. That was a reason Old guard Hollywood had their stars under tight contracts with them. I believe that was the case until the 60s when Huge flops started to happen with a slew of stars attached.. Cleopatra, Dr Doolittle( apt title)
But it's like everything they All have a time to shine. Buddy/Cop movies, Romantic Movies, Slasher, Space, Horror and Courtroom drama to name a few go round and around. You get to a certain age and notice the pattern even if your not a movie person.. Actors sell tickets, big Actors or Stars sell more and add a Spielberg or Nolan in or a Quentin and you have an Event/Summer blockbuster..
Mottrex
Sr Member
For different reasons I think he just might.. I could say more but won't ruin it for you.
Mottrex
Sr Member
Westworld wouldn't be half as good without Jeffery Wright, I really enjoyed his Barnard.
Mottrex
Sr Member
He certainly comes across as a grizzled Gordon in the trailer especially when he hands the Bat the note.. I think the Skinny Goth black eyed make up looks great on R pat.. He holds Tennet together as a Movie too..
Paul Andrew
Master Member
New trailer?
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