The Ark in the museum..I don't think so Indy..

[DarkHelmet]

My one complaint from Raiders..

Indy thinking that by finding the greatest Biblical discovery of all time, he'd get to keep it for his museum. Possession of that thing would have caused WWII and III.

Was he that naive?

 

[BoozeBeGood]

Pssst....it's a movie

 

[Contec]

If it did not have magic power, people would still debating if it was the "real" one.

 

[phase pistol]

MY one complaint from Raiders is that he rides on the outside of a U-Boat. :rolleyes

 

[Jeyl]

I'm still not convinced how Indy all of a sudden figured out that not looking at the Ark would save his and Marian's life. This was a payoff to something that was never set up or established!

 

[Bullitt]

I'm still not convinced how Indy all of a sudden figured out that not looking at the Ark would save his and Marian's life. This was a payoff to something that was never set up or established!

He could've read that in some ancient text beforehand. Besides, he is frickin' Indiana Jones.

 

[tcsmit29]

MY one complaint from Raiders is that he rides on the outside of a U-Boat. :rolleyes

I know it sounds ridiculous but it really is feasible. U-boats would usually cruise on the surface unless they were under attack or stalking prey. Neither was the case in 1936. They could only travel underwater on battery power which equals limited speed and limited time submerged. I can't remember if the movie showed the boat submerging while he was on it. I also read somewhere, I think it was the novelization of the movie, that he lashed himself to the periscope with his whip.

Anyhoo, I hear what you are saying, but it isn't impossible in a real life situation.

 

[Dave Ward]

There really needs to be a full-length Indy Mythbusters. The UBoat, and the fridge would be great candidates.

 

[Jeyl]

He could've read that in some ancient text beforehand.

Than why wasn't it in the movie? You don't just have a good guy confront the bad guy and have the good guy magically pull a shotgun out of his coat that we never saw him obtain it.

Besides, he is frickin' Indiana Jones.

And Indy is best when he's confronted with a mystery he doesn't understand and works to figure it out to save the day. That climax he didn't figure anything out. He just pulled it out of thin air with no reason or explanation given.

Especially when he responds to the beams of light coming out of the Ark in the bible.

Indy: Lightning. Fire.... Power of god, or something

He has no clue! If it's the almighty power of god that we're not supposed to look at, why didn't he bring that up? Why didn't the film? EXPLAIN MOVIE!

 

[Dave Ward]

Than why wasn't it in the movie? You don't just have a good guy confront the bad guy and have the good guy magically pull a shotgun out of his coat that we never saw him obtain it.



And Indy is best when he's confronted with a mystery he doesn't understand and works to figure it out to save the day. That climax he didn't figure anything out. He just pulled it out of thin air with no reason or explanation given.

Especially when he responds to the beams of light coming out of the Ark in the bible.

Indy: Lightning. Fire.... Power of god, or something

He has no clue! If it's the almighty power of god that we're not supposed to look at, why didn't he bring that up? Why didn't the film? EXPLAIN MOVIE!

It's made explicit that Indy is an expert on the Ark. It's also made explicit that the Ark is supposed to be a font of terrible powers. At the end of the movie, it shows these powers, and Indy knows not to look at it. No "magic shotgun" there.


"when they approach unto the most holy things: Aaron and his sons shall go in, and appoint them every one to his service and to his burden;but they shall not go in to see the holy things as they are being covered, lest they die."

 

[Bullitt]

It's made explicit that Indy is an expert on the Ark. It's also made explicit that the Ark is supposed to be a font of terrible powers. At the end of the movie, it shows these powers, and Indy knows not to look at it. No "magic shotgun" there.


"when they approach unto the most holy things: Aaron and his sons shall go in, and appoint them every one to his service and to his burden;but they shall not go in to see the holy things as they are being covered, lest they die."

This sounds good to me. Indy knows things, because he had an education and he was raised as a Christian, as we later learn from LC. We don't know what information is in his head, nor do we need to, most of the time.

 

[Apollo]

:lol Now THAT would be must-see-T.V.!! :lol

There really needs to be a full-length Indy Mythbusters. The UBoat, and the fridge would be great candidates.

 

[SpyderDan]

I'm still not convinced how Indy all of a sudden figured out that not looking at the Ark would save his and Marian's life. This was a payoff to something that was never set up or established!

I recently went to see "An Evening with Leonard Nimoy", and he spoke about this during his story about the origin of the Vulcan salute.

From "I am Spock": "The special moment when the Kohanim blessed the assembly moved me deeply, for it possessed a great sense of magic and theatricality... I had heard that this indwelling Spirit of God was too powerful, too beautiful, too awesome for any mortal to look upon and survive, and so I obediently covered my face with my hands. But of course, I had to peek."

The inspiration for the Vulcan salute was the hand gestures made by the Jewish priests that he saw when he peeked, and he claimed that the superstition about dying if one looked was Spielberg's inspiration for the scene in Raiders.

Indy, being a scholar of religion, would know this, while the nazis (of course!) would not.

 

[Too Much Garlic]

The u-boat submerged to periscope depth - it's stated as so in the movie.

The "Do not look" is ancient and in many religions, so isn't just regarding Christianity. And you don't have to be a scholar to know not to look at deity's/gods/items of gods. Also, many Nazi's were Catholics, so they would know that, but as most people, they'd be curious to see - and in that instance... we all know what curiosity did to the cat.

For the most part the indoctrination is just to shield people from realizing they've been deceived + it adds importance to a piece. If people really saw, they wouldn't die, they'd just be disappointed, as seeing is not always believing.

Putting the Ark in Indy's museum would undoubtedly have altered things, made the war happen earlier and the blitz-krieg would have been aimed at the US first to obtain the Ark, if it was displayed out in the open like that.

 

[SSgt Burton]

U-boats would usually cruise on the surface unless they were under attack or stalking prey. Neither was the case in 1936. They could only travel underwater on battery power which equals limited speed and limited time submerged. I can't remember if the movie showed the boat submerging while he was on it. I also read somewhere, I think it was the novelization of the movie, that he lashed himself to the periscope with his whip.

This is my understanding too- the U-boat didn't submerge because 1) it is more time/energy consuming to do so and 2) it didn't have to.

Indy lashing himself to the periscope was depicted in the comic adaptation.


Kevin

 

[joker-scar]

This is my understanding too- the U-boat didn't submerge because 1) it is more time/energy consuming to do so and 2) it didn't have to.

Indy lashing himself to the periscope was depicted in the comic adaptation.

I agree. It never bothered me how he survived the U-Boat trip...the movie already established that if Indy can hang onto the front grill of a moving truck, go beneath it, up and around and back to the passenger window...well, the dude is resourceful and it could happen given some great luck and positive thinking.
And I could swear when i first saw the movie I saw a shot of Indy riding the periscope...I highly doubt there were any alternate prints out there of Raiders... but most likely my imagination either filled that part in or it was a memory sliver from the comic book, which i completely forgot about and haven't looked at since I bought it in 1981. Still sitting on my shelf in plastic bag....
As has been pointed out by others above, the story of Lots wife looking back and turning to a pillar of salt is a pretty common theme in myth, etc... so Indy would immediately know (after seeing the spirits rise from the ark) ..."Just shut your eyes Marion"...
What bugged me was how 7,000 snakes stayed alive in the Well of Souls for 3,000 years?????

 

[Too Much Garlic]

What bugged me was how 7,000 snakes stayed alive in the Well of Souls for 3,000 years?????

As you could see in other parts of the enclosure was that they came in through holes and cracks in the walls.

 

[tripoli]

The U-boat scene was an editing mix up. Originally filmed, he took the con officer knocked him out, took his clothes and and threw him off the deck. Before the announcement going to periscope level, you see him descending the ladder, adjusting the hat brim low and walking across the control room of the u-boat. At which times it was going to be assumed he hid in the boat.

I believe the issue of a missing man and him successfully hiding in a very cramp u-boat presented its own story line issues so they cut the film to what it was.

 

[DarkHelmet]

I'm still not convinced how Indy all of a sudden figured out that not looking at the Ark would save his and Marian's life. This was a payoff to something that was never set up or established!

I understood it only because of what I heard about not being able to look at the face of God. Not to push this into a religious discussion, but Moses turned his look away from the Burning bush when he was receiving the Ten Commandments.

 

[DarkHelmet]

What bugged me was how 7,000 snakes stayed alive in the Well of Souls for 3,000 years?????

Funny how the set up to a movie makes you assume certain things. I just figured that the snakes, being snakes came and went through crevices..AND possibly put there supernaturally by God to protect the Ark.

Also, all that digging and speculating and all Indy had to do was find that area where the stone bricks were..

Anyone else notice that after Indy takes the Idol and is trying to pull himself out of the hole, there is an opening just above him...I guess he could have gotten out there.