The Anovos Kylo Ren Costume

Discussion in 'Star Wars Costumes and Props' started by kalkamel, Feb 22, 2016.

  1. kalkamel

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  2. Diadem

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    You got that right :eek
     
  3. joshvanrad

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    * that looks good! I'd love to put the money down for that thing, but that's not likely, unfortunately.
     
  4. Vandark

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    loving the boots!
     
  5. TheAutoTech

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    Some of the stuff looks decent but some of it looks like **** too. That neck seal is faux leather and the shape seems quite a bit off. Where are the gloves picture? They are faux leather as well. Also, no boots? And what's with the pants and the suspenders? Also, as far as the pricing goes I'm going to have probably 2000 into mine total with all the pieces which is far far less than what they want that doesn't include boots or lightsaber.
     
  6. Vandark

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    the price is just crazy for fabric clothing. but then, in no expert.
     
  7. event

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    That neck seal...
     
  8. Uncontested

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    They're crazy for asking that much IMO... 2,635 for Tier 1.... 3,100 'MSRP'... Soft goods costing more than any of their full armors cost? God this is making me dread the F/O Trooper cost already..
     
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    That price is with the helmet too. Tier 1 for outfit without the helmet is 2k which is still a lot.
     
  10. Kevin Gossett

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    You're looking at an accurate reproduction of the production made costume. The fabrics are custom made, coated in the same way they were done for the film (which, by the way, no one has figured out yet how to do properly). The pants have suspenders, just like the film costume did. The base layer has a mesh panel to allow for cooling, and to prevent the wearer from suffering heat stroke. Many film production costumes comprised of multiple layers do this (See: Captain America: Civil War).

    Also keep in mind, this is a prototype on a mannequin. Some of the pieces won't look right. The neck seal seems to be the piece everyone is pointing out the most, but that is how the neck seal was constructed.

    You will not be able to make a more screen accurate costume using materials as accurate as these for less.
     
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    I agree with this, it's incredible, at an incredible price.

    I've never shopped with anovos, but I ordered the Kylo helmet and I trust it will be perfect.

    it just amazes me that a fabric costume can cost more to make than the helmet alone. amazing!
     
  12. jesseadam

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    The sizing options are interesting, they're keeping the inseam & lengths 1:1 with the movie costume and adjusting the waist.

    I'm surprised he's more $350 more than Vader -- Also, worth noting that getting Tier 1 of the Helmet a few months back and getting Tier 1 of the costume ensemble is cheaper than Tier 1 of the helmet + ensemble.
     
  13. third3ye

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    If this were a villain I actually like, I'd have no problem putting down that kind of cash. This is a VERY reasonable price for an incredible replica costume based on the SU originals.
     
  14. Cry-Lo Ren

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    I think they did a great job and it seems that they even sold out on the kylo helmet which says a lot as I think its their first star wars item to actually be sold out. Im glad i was able to snag one
     
  15. lmgill

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    Like I posted in another thread, I've been involved with prototyping this, I can tell you the costume is really nicely made, far better than any replica costume I have seen before. The fabric was custom made to match screen used Ren costumes.
     
  16. Mados

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    The big question is if this will actually ship in a reasonable time? Still waiting on my Bespin Luke in ordered in 2014. Price is great for the quality I'm sure.
     
  17. TheAutoTech

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    Neck seal still looks like crap to me, plus faux leather. Gloves aren't pictured, plus faux leather. No boots? Lightsaber clip not functional? I'm also wondering what time frame you would even get it as the helmet itself is still a ways out. Also don't get why it's cheaper to buy the helmet and costume separate compared to getting them together. Also, they don't allow custom measurements? I would hope for that kind of money they do.
     
  18. Leeway

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    Anyone here thinking of just getting the costume parts and using their (modified?) Black Series helmet? I've frankly never comfortable walking around in a fiberglass helmet anyway. A bit pricey for just soft goods but none of the cheaper eBay or Etsy options seem to come close.
     
  19. Slasher X

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    So I wonder why they aren't including the mid-coat?

    Seems like a pretty big costume detail to leave off, especially considering it's what he wears in the final duel.
     
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  20. Kevin Gossett

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    They've stated that he doesn't wear the midcoat and surcoat together in the film, which is why they left it out.
     
  21. Slasher X

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    Really? Do you have a link for that?

    it really seemed like he had both on in the gif from the Vanity Fair shots.

    Not that I'm doubting, and I would love for this to be true.

    I haven't researched the costume since just after the film premiere, so last I knew it was always there.
     
  22. andsuor

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    I understood it as they said that he doesn't wear it together at all times during the film, but that he does at some points. I don't have the exact quote here, but it's on their fb page
     
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    I agree, my materials alone have cost me over 1k at this point and that doesn't include all the time spent assembling.

    I DO think the neck seal looks wrong, though as you said is obviously just not sitting right on the mannequin, but here's the problem I'm having with it: a few people I've seen in the community are seeing Anovos as the end-all-be-all of accuracy. So now they want to sew their neck seal to look exactly like that, as in exactly like that when it's worn. Which would actually be inaccurate. And it's frustrating to show them a handful of screenshots where the neck seal is on Adam Driver and the pleats are pretty uniform against his neck and have them go "But this is how Anovos did it!"

    But I am so happy about the mesh. I'm actually putting mesh into the bottom layer of my v2 and I've been worried that people will go "OOOH NOT ACCURATE!!" But I knew that mesh was a common thing for cooling, and being in the south with most troops happening in the summer I really needed to be able to put that on my costume. Now I can do it without worry which is nice.

    As for the coating, I can tell you two ways to do it and both will look nice and accurate to the screen, but I guarantee it's not how Anovos did it. They probably had it done to entire bolts of fabric at once and that's just not something easily accomplished in a house or apartment.

    I'm interested in the missing midcoat, from what I've read Anovos is saying he doesn't wear his midcoat with the top coat ever in the movie. (Which I don't entirely doubt) Yet his midcoat appears under his top coat in Vanity Fair, the Visual Dictionary, and on display. Honestly, I WANT Anovos to be right because as I mentioned earlier about being in the south, I'd rather not have to pile a midcoat on as well. But if they are right then that means the 501st CRLs need to be adjusted.
     
  24. Kevin Gossett

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    The CRLs need to be completely overhauled anyway. Dawn did a fantastic job during the initial stages with very little resource, and she continues to improve her costume. At this point though, I wouldn't count on seeing a rewrite until well after the blu-ray is released and we get actual in-movie HD footage that can be dissected.

    In regards to the Vanity Fair shot, that is likely from the scene that was cut from the film involving the snow speeders. So it very well still could be that the two coats weren't worn together in the final version of the film we saw.
     
  25. deserthunter

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    I have seen multiple home made ones here that look better. Right now I am at around $600 that is fabric, pants, inner tunic, gloves, boots, and helmet. Plus the $199 for the lightsaber. I will be sewing the tunics myself, I am figuring that I will be in under $2000 for once completed. And have it be movie accurate. Think $3000 is a bit excessive for it.
     
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  26. joshvanrad

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    I loved all of the people that were like "The Black Series expensive-toy is more accurate than the Anovos 3D scanned helmet", so all of the people saying the Anovos costume isn't accurate enough are just making me giggle, because I'm pretty sure they are the same people.

    A lot of homemade Kylo costumes out there may look great, but if you're going to discuss what is most accurate... it's going to be the thing that is made by people who digitally scanned the screen-used costume, and have dealt with the screen used costume IN PERSON.
     
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  27. Kevin Gossett

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    I'm sure your costume will turn out looking fantastic, and you should be very proud of it. But it will not be movie accurate.
     
  28. deserthunter

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    How do you figure? As more information is put out it is easy to make necessary changes to make it more accurate. When I made my snow trooper I went as far as matching all the webbing down to the way the back pack was secured. The only people that will truly know what is the most accurate is the production crew and actors wearing the stuff.
     
  29. Kevin Gossett

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    The biggest factor is fabric. The original fabric doesn't exist anymore. There have been a few that have come close, including Luke's, but they still aren't right. The tunic and sleeve fabric is also incredibly difficult to find. Nobody has gotten it right yet. On top of that (literally) is the way the fabrics are coated. This has been another impossible task where some have come close, but we will likely never be able to recreate what was used on screen.

    Again, in no way am I knocking your (or anyone else's) build. There are just too many unknowns right now (and likely for a very long time) to call anything screen accurate.
     
  30. lmgill

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    I'm not sure the average person or movie fan realizes how "fluid" movie production is. How costumes and props are not what you think they are or not the same for the entire film. I have been involved in hundreds of films and TV shows over the past 35 years and it often comes down to what works on the day. (or for that shot) So the idea of contesting what is more or less accurate is a bit of a impossible thing to achieve. The number of times a costume or prop has been radically altered or quickly fixed after it get's damaged on set, is common. Also, "story line" or "plot" damage or aging on a costume is often meticulously documented with daily photos or in some cases scene by scene reference photos, taken by the wardrobe department. So what the piece looks like in one scene may be not the same in another. Some of these changes are obvious, while others are left to interpretation of the viewer or end up on the cutting room floor. Then there are the "photo shoots" either for a magazine or publicity. These are often done without the original film crew or in some cases not the original costume or prop. So using these as reference is not always a sure thing. (We rent things all the time to photographers who are shooting promo stuff for a movie, even though we didn't work on the film)
    In addition, there have been many times when we have made something for a film, and when I see it in the finished movie in the theater, I am surprise how different it (prop or costume) looks than it looked at our shop.
    Over my career, I have worked at the 3 largest prop houses in Hollywood and worked for the largest costume shop in Hollywood, I have seen hundreds of famous costumes and props, and many times they are complete pieces of crap. But on screen, they looked great. It was very disappointing to see some of my childhood favorites and realize they were completely fake or just a piece of painted wood.
    When I first started making movie props (1981) at "The Hand Prop Room", (Big LA prop house) I was told, "paint it black, the camera will never see it". Well that was the general advice, basically make the prop out of anything because the camera will only pick up so much. Well one day, Jim Cameron (a director I believe...) chewed out my boss for these really crappy looking props that the shop had made for his low budget movie called something like "The Terminator". This director had no idea what our budget had been or the amount of time we had to make these P.O.S. props for his low budget Sci-Fi film. But, I realized something that day, it doesn't make any difference what the camera "can see", because the camera doesn't sign the checks. So from that day forward I always tried to make whatever I did, look great while it was in your hand and never counted on the camera to not see the hot-glue drips or giant seam running down the back of that rubber gun.
    So be careful what you ask for, you may pay hundreds of dollars for a "piece of crap", but it will be screen accurate.... .
     
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  31. Vandark

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    great post, thanks!
     
  32. Cry-Lo Ren

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    im not sure if it was here on the RPF or another forum but remember seeing someone start a thread of their kylo build and showing where they got all their pieces and showed that there is a seller on etsy who does 501st LV 3 kylo outfits for $1000 so that might be a option right there.
     
  33. Vandark

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    just wondering, do 501 have inside information on the accuracy of the Kylo Ren costume or are they just going from the movie like everybody else?

    if 501 are just using their eyes, why does everybody seem to think they need 501 approval?

    Can't we just use our own eyes?
     
  34. Cry-Lo Ren

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    I am guessing that they are using their eyes but then again people in the 501st have numerous connections with Lucas films even as far as some 501st members working for Lucas films so its anyone guess.

    But yea I mean if you are not going for 501st approval then who cares just be a outfit that is within your budget and that you can be happy with.
     
  35. Vandark

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    ah, thanks for the info.

    so, Anovos is probably more in the know than 501 when it comes to this particular costumes accuracy?

    im not really into costuming anyway...dont have the right body shape for many characters, but as long as it looks good displayed in my room, I'm fine.
     
  36. Kevin Gossett

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    The 501st CRL was a bit rushed to get completed before the film's release. It was based on research compiled by people like you and me, no insider information. You'll likely see it completely overhauled in the coming months
     
  37. Cry-Lo Ren

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    From what I heard the 2 main guys from anovos (forgot their names) are actual 501st member so im sure they are trying to get as much detail as possible and of course have to jack the price up a bit due to overhead so when you think about the 501st member spending almost $1800 on their kylo outfit and sewing it themselves $2k for a company with overhead is not bad at all.

    And same here man I always wanted to be a OT stormtrooper but I am 5"4 and weigh 105 but finally said **** it and picked up a anovos trooper kit and no matter how long it take im going to make it work with my body structure and join 501st. only thing im worried about is looking like a bobble head hahah
     
  38. Vandark

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    I think we need a 502...for people who don't 'fit' haha!

    502 will be the fun group...
     
  39. Cry-Lo Ren

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    hahaha that never stopped this guy



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  40. deserthunter

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    Imgill,
    Excellent write up. Could not agree with you more. It's is about artist interpretation of what they have seen. The fabric I have is pretty close 2x2 weave. Almost dear on. I think a lot of people would rather take pride in something they have done there self than paying a large some of money. Granted some people are not creative and just buy it. No big deal, it is all about the fun of doing it.
     
  41. kalkamel

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    I agree it's very nice and accurate but its gonna hard justifying spending that much to my wife. :p Oh well, I'll just have to make do with my own custom built (501st approved) Kylo costume. ;)

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  42. Kroenen77

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    I bet the Hasbrohelmet is also from Scans of the Original.And if you have the skills to update it,why the hell you wanna pay 800$ for the anovos?
    For the extramoney you can buy a lot of other great props.
    And I would never pay 3000$ for a Kylo Ren costume.1500$ would be the maximum.This costume has no great fiberglassarmorparts like a Vaderarmor.
    Not worth so much money.But thats only my personal taste.;)
     
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  43. Vandark

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    for me, it about the authenticity, quality, feel and weight of a prop replica, as well as what it looks like. the hasbro helmet doesn't have that and can't.

    all this stuff is expensive and probably IS slightly over priced, but there's just no other official options at the moment.
     
  44. Kroenen77

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    From the propreplica side your right.But will be the Anovos so good at the end?
    Nobody has ever seen the Anovos in Hand.You have no idea how heavy it is and no idea how good the paintjob is.You have only this high price.
    It´s better from the details as the Hasbro one...ok...but is that really worth this price for a solid fiberglasscast?Not for me.
    But I bet it will never has the quality like the old MR or EFX helmets...never seen shots of the padding,no papers,stand and plaques but the same price like MR/EFX.
    And in this thread we talk about a costume..and a costume must only look like Kylo Ren.And if you wanna troop in the helmet you don´t want a heavy fiberglass one!;)

    I think the BS one is a great base for people with modding skills...because I bet its also from the Originalmolds:

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  45. RINZLERTRON

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    This was a very interesting thread to read through….

    First of all, I completely and totally agree that the ANOVOS is 100% screen accurate (well, maybe 98%). These people do in fact know what they're doing.

    BUT. I do completely disagree with The idea that a fan cannot make a screen accurate costume, just as accurate as the ANOVOS. The only difference is, these people you're calling "fans" are not exactly just fans…. A lot of them also have access to screen used props (at least picture wise) in all-mighty HD. Trust me, I would know.

    The Anovos costume is right on point price wise. You absolutely are getting what you pay for.

    IF, you want to build a costume just as accurate as the ANOVOS, it is very very possible, but much more expensive than the Anovos, and takes a lot more time.

    As for Luke's fabric being inaccurate, again, I disagree. I've seen comparison after comparison after comparison. Rather or not "size" wise the weave is off, or whatever, it's spot on in comparison pictures. Coating is a different story, and I've seen a lot of people really miss the target when doing theirs.

    So, it comes down to three things:

    Do you want a semi accurate costume for a cheaper price?

    Do you want a screen accurate pre-made costume for a medium price?

    Do you want a screen accurate costume made by you (and of course many others, including seamstresses, vendors, etc) for a very high price?

    All of those are options, you just have to decide.
     
  46. lmgill

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    Nobody? I have seen it, and I have seen the 100's of reference photos of the film helmet that it is matched to. I have also seen the meticulous pouring over every detail in regards to scratches, nicks, dents, texture....
    Also, as I stated earlier, to make it 100% screen accurate, you would not be happy with the quality of the product. Movie props and costumes are not that well built. In fact there have been a few times where the retail, commercially made product was used in a sequel film. (Power Ranger Morphers, Unobtainium's Pumpkin bomb, and there are others....)
    But I don't want to be the one to ruin a good debate, please carry on. ;)
     
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  47. RINZLERTRON

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    Something I've been really confused about since Day 1 working on a helmet that I consider to (eventually) be screen accurate is rather or not Kylo Ren's dents and dings on his helmet actually change during the film. I've seen the film now (and a few insider pics) 6 times, and I could swear that there are scratches he has on his helmet in some scenes that he does not have in others.
     
  48. lmgill

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    They very well could change. When we make a prop or costume for a film, we almost never make just one. You almost alway make multiples and not always all at the same time.
    For Escape from LA we started out making only 4 suits for Kurt Russel, by the end we made nearly 30. Because of this, the first ones were hand masked with pinstripe tape and painted, by the end we had them silk screened in bulk. Many of "Snake's" jumpsuits and eye patches had different features depending on the scenes requirements. Example: We made one set of suits that were tailored differently and had spandex gussets so he could shoot basketball.
    The mask for the movie "The Mask", we made 24 or 26 masks. The early ones had a depressed area on the Nasal with an engraved "L" (for Loki), it didn't film well, you couldn't see what it was, so we made a glue in disc with a bolder raised "L" that was added to the first masks we made, and was added to the others. Some were rubber, some were plastic, a couple had to float, one was super light weight so the little dog could carry it.
    This is why I say it's fruitless to try to perfectly match the screen used item, because you cant really. Nor would you really want to. Just about every prop or costume we have made has something we would do differently to make it better or more durable if we had time or knew what was going to happen to it. In some cases we do change it, on set, in the dark, just to make it work. Many of these fixes are very ugly and temporary at best. (You would not believe what some of these costumes look like after the film)
     
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  49. JJ Griffin

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    I see your points on this. But I really do feel that Luke's is as close as you can get to screen accurate-- and yes, even more accurate than ANOVOS'.

    Both fabrics would be fine for Centurion level and all but the most * of close analysis. But something is off about the ANOVOS one (which may just be the coating, or the studio lighting, etc).
     
  50. Kroenen77

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    That will give you a extra bonus from anovos!:D;)
     

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