Terminator Eyes

Conqueror_Worm

Well-Known Member
I'm working on a design for a T-800 terminator eye with a motorized diaphragm and LED light. I'm still very early in the brainstorming stage, so if anyone has suggestions or critiques I would love to hear them. I'm still trying to figure out how many gadgets I can cram in a 25 mm sphere. I would love to stick a camera in there, but it seems like the light from the LEDs would make it impossible to get a decent image. (stupid impractical glowing eyes...)
Here is a video of my first design.
I used the GM15 motor from solarbotics. It's small enough, and should be strong enough for the job, but it has too many RPMs. The diaphragm only has to rotate 45 degrees to fully open and close the iris, but the motor does 920 RPMs, so it could open or close the diaphram in .008 seconds. It would be like a camera shutter. A motor around 480 RPMs would be better. On second thought, a stepper motor would be best.
Anyway, the motor mounts to the back half of the eye. Inside, the motor shaft is connected to a cup shaped piece that acts as a circuit board mount. The circuit board has six SMD LEDs size 0603. The circuit board mount has several pins that connect it to the back of the diaphragm. On the back of the diaphragm is a red translucent piece that helps to diffuse the light and make it appear more uniform. The diaphragm is a sandwich of overlapping blades between a front and back piece. The back piece has slots that the blade pins travel through when the back is rotated. The front of the diaphragm is secured to the front half of the eye, along with the lens.
In a nutshell, when the motor turns, it turns the circuit board mount, circuit board, diffuser, and the back of the diaphragm, causing the diaphragm blades to move.

Side View: with and without the covering
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Sectional Views: (the motor shows up as solid brass)
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Diaphragm:
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A few items that need to be sorted out:

Fasteners:
Right now there is nothing holding the two halves together. I could glue it but I would prefer to be able to take it apart. I'll probably make the eye halves a mm thicker at the equator and add a couple of tiny set screws.

Motor:
I need a small, slow, precise motor. Something like this would probably be great. It may even be TOO small.

LEDs/Circuit Board:
I was trying to decide between etching my own boards or having custom boards made when I found these. A 24 color RGB LED board in a package slightly smaller than the one I have in my model. More elbow room and multiple colors for only $2 a pop? You could have Arnie's red eyes one day and Cameron's blue eyes the next! (or green or orange or purple or white or...)
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I just need to make sure the FLORA platform isn't required. I also wonder if I could get away without having a diffuser. Multiple colors would mean having a white diffuser, that might look a little weird.

Mounting points:
Need to figure out a way to attach the eye to the skull. I could just have an attachment point at the back of the eye, but that doesn't seem like it would be very suitable for animatronics. Maybe I can make the equatorial set screws a little long and attach tie rods that connect to servos in the skull.

Making the diaphragm:
I think the diaphragm blades are going to be the hardest part of this project. I think I read somewhere that they are typically made from .1 mm spring steel. Really thin, hard material, with delicate curves, and tiny pins that need to be securely attached. My first thought was that I could cut out the blades by acid etching, then spot weld the pins on, but that sounds like a headache with lots of room for error, using tools I don't have. If I could make them from plastic it would be a lot easier. I could laser cut them at the local hackerspace, then just plastic cement the pins in place. I just have to find a plastic with the right material properties. The top and bottom of the diaphragm could also be laser cut or 3d printed (I may eventually make the top of the diaphragm and the front of the eye one piece).

Making the rest of it:
The assorted pins shouldn't be a problem. The two halves of the eye and the circuit board mount could be 3d printed or machined. I haven't looked at lenses yet.

Controlling it:
I bought an MSP430 launchpad about a year ago, but I haven't done much with it. I'm just starting to learn C and C++.
 

Sean

Sr Member
I don't even have a terminator head and i want two of them. LOL that is just absolutely awesome.please keep the updates coming....
Oh and wouldn't the stops and starts of the little blu ray motor be a problem?
 

gyoung2993

Sr Member
I am a huge terminator fan , I have an endoskull from Timeless collectibles and a Blu-ray endoskull that I was hoping one day to modify to have eyes come out for availability one day, I cant wait to see what your going to make, very excited to this being attempted, will be watching this very closely, cant wait to see more.....
 

Conqueror_Worm

Well-Known Member
Thanks guys!

Oh and wouldn't the stops and starts of the little blu ray motor be a problem?
Lets see, 20 steps per revolution, so 360/20 = 18 degrees per step. If it only takes 45 degrees to open or close the diaphragm, then 45/18 = only 2.5 steps to open or close the diaphragm. You're right, I'm going to need a motor with many more steps (or a different type of motor).
I would also like to increase the amount of rotation required to operate the diaphragm, 90 degrees or more would be great, but I'm not quite sure how to do that. There is some really interesting math going on that I don't fully grasp. I could reduce the number of blades. That would allow me to lengthen the slots that the blades travel through, thus requiring more rotation to make the blades travel the extra distance.
The original eye, used for closeups, had around twice as many blades as the one I designed (but it was also several times larger). So I don't want the blade count to get too low.
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TimePsycle

New Member
Brilliant project!!

Hope you see it through to the end.
Only thing I could maybe suggest is if the motor actuating the iris
was supported by the eye housing what we in the U.K call a
swash gear (used to alter the pitch on helicopter blades) could
be used off of the eye gimbals. You might find an off the shelf
R.C helicopter unit of just the right size. This would give great
animation to the eye ball.

Best of luck, looking forward to updates!!

Steve
 

Crimson13

Active Member
"I just need to make sure the FLORA platform isn't required."

Flora isn't required, but some sort of microcontroller is. The easiest would be something in the arduino family, since they already have code for that on the site.
 

Conqueror_Worm

Well-Known Member
Thanks guys! TimePsycle, that's a really cool mechanism, I'll have to keep it in mind. Looks like it's also called a swashplate. Crimson13, is it more than just an LED and a couple resistors? I found a copy of the schematic, I just haven't installed eaglecad so I can look at it.


I decided to try 3D printing the outside casing of the eye, mostly so I could get a better sense of the size of this thing. I'm not sure 3D printing is the best way to make this, but as a 'rapid prototype' it works great.

Printer: Makerbot Replicator 2X
Material: ABS plastic
Layer Height: .1 mm [.004 in]
Infill: 75%
Scale: 1:1
Size: 25 mm [1 in] diameter
Print time: 51 min

Screenshot of software
Side View
Front View
Back View
Inside View

I colored part of it with a sharpy to help the texture and detail stand out. Looks like I need to make the detail a little deeper. I've heard that ABS prints can be polished by exposing them to acetone vapors, I may try that to get rid of the print lines.
Overall I was surprised at how well it turned out. It seems much smoother than most 3D prints I've seen. The scaffold it was supposed to print to support the back half collapsed, so the inside is pretty rough looking. There was also some warping near the beginning, so it took some time to clean up the mating surfaces so the two halves would fit together.
 

Crimson13

Active Member
Yes. They are "smart" LEDs which pretty much means they use a digitally addressable driver chip and can be chained together with only the same three lines (but you still control each separately). So it's more than applying power to one pin or another to get a certain color.
 

Conqueror_Worm

Well-Known Member
Here is a small update:
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I picked up a couple of these for initial testing. I'm going to try using the MSP430 because they are cheap (free samples from TI), and I already have the programmer.
 

Conqueror_Worm

Well-Known Member
Yeah, I picked up one of the MSP430 Launchpads back when they were only $4.30. At that price I couldn't afford not to! Even if I don't know how to use it...
 

Conqueror_Worm

Well-Known Member
Not really, I haven't had much time to work on it. I'm currently researching methods for producing the parts; I'm not used to working with such small pieces that require such precision.
 

AndysMachines

New Member
I know this was 8 years ago, but did you ever get any further with this?

I've just made eyes with operating irises for the terminator I am building (I only found this thread afterwards). It's interesting how you identified many of the same problems I did, but came up with different solutions.

I used super-micro RC servo motors to operate the irises (1.7g). Used 0.1mm thick stainless steel sheet (shim stock) for the iris blades and to get around the problems of attaching pins to the blades I put a hole in one end and attached the pin to the stationary part where there is more material to drill a hole to press the pin into, on the other end of the blade I bent the end 90° to make a small tab that fits into a slot in the rotating part.

I made the whole eye a co-axial design so the LED can be simply inserted in the back and the mechanism driven via a tube with the servo motor mounted behind the eye socket (the whole eye can also move in all directions).

 

Too Much Garlic

Master Member
In the movies they used film camera shutters, so could be an idea to check how those were made, and the Japanese endoskeleton enthusiast T-Studio made irised eyes for his endo busts, but sadly, his site is in Japanese, so hard to follow sometimes.

Just saw your video earlier today. The new concept is good, but either it needs more blades to keep the iris circular, or the blades should be more curved. Also, might need to be put much closer to the actual lens, so they are always centered in the eye no matter from what angle you see the eye. Great job, though.
 

AndysMachines

New Member
In the movies they used film camera shutters, so could be an idea to check how those were made, and the Japanese endoskeleton enthusiast T-Studio made irised eyes for his endo busts, but sadly, his site is in Japanese, so hard to follow sometimes.

Just saw your video earlier today. The new concept is good, but either it needs more blades to keep the iris circular, or the blades should be more curved. Also, might need to be put much closer to the actual lens, so they are always centered in the eye no matter from what angle you see the eye. Great job, though.
I'm pretty sure I remember seeing years ago, a black and white photo of either Cameron or Stan Winston sitting next to a giant terminator head, maybe 2-4x size, which was the one with a camera lens in they used for the close up shots of the iris in the first movie. I've searched since but have been unable to find it. Does anybody know?

I've looked at T-studios site, but I couldn't see any eyes with irises, only the statement (in english): "T-STUDIO’s future goal is to squeeze this feature into the Animatronic Bust" Nothing on his youtube channel either (AnimatronicsWorks). Maybe he's made more progress since then, or maybe I just couldn't find it.

There are small iris modules you can buy cheaply in a range of sizes, just a flat circular unit, no lens. They are usually actuated with a small lever on the side but it shouldn't be hard to fit one within a 25mm eyeball and alter it to be operated in a more convenient way from the back. They have more blades than my design and do look more screen accurate, but I usually prefer the challenge of making things myself.
 

Too Much Garlic

Master Member
This seems to be the T2 one.

Strange. I think I came across a T-Studio page recently where he showed the iris work. Could misremember it and it was someone else doing it. I definitely know there's a thread here on the RPF that shows someone making a functional iris terminator eye. I think it was Tazman or something similar, but haven't been able to find it. It's old, so i may no longer have pictures.

I need to check out the iris modules.

And looking forward to more of your builds. It's fascinating to watch your videos.
 

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