Too Much Garlic
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Do anyone here own or know anyone who owns an ICONS endoskeleton?
T1 and T2 Endoskeleton Research Thread
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Timeless endskull, which is identical to ICONS.
Too Much Garlic
Master Member
I'm asking about the full endoskeleton. And no, the Timeless is not the same skull as the ICONS.
ghostman
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ghostman
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In making the clay prototype of the Skull, the clay melted by heat was poured into the negative mold of Schwarzenegger's Life Mask.
It was supposed to have been made by scraping it from his clay statue that had cooled and hardened.
Basically, it couldn't have been bigger than the size of his head.
During the sculpting process, some parts of the mask would have protruded from his head because of the shaving and heaping process.
Too Much Garlic
Master Member
Concerning the claim that the ICONS is a recast of the M1, then I have forwarded the notion earlier, that that may not be the case. The reason the ICONS have the M1 temple inserts is because SWS added it to all their T2:3D style skulls. So ICONS may not even have known that they were copying the M1 temples - they were simply copying the T2:3D style skull they were sent from SWS or wherever they got their master casting or mold from. It is not a new sculpt. It has direct ties to the T2:3D style skulls, so what T-Studio is stating on his site is incorrect.
It seems he is talking about both the ICONS and Timeless, not realizing that they are two separate castings. I also used to lump those two together and it wasn't actually until this thread I was told that they were separate.
Reposted from earlier:
Here's the Timeless page:
"Icons - Timeless Collectibles" Terminator 2 Endoskull, T-1000 Stabbing Finger and T-800 Brain Chip Prototype
Background on Icons / Timeless Collectibles : Though Icons successfully shipped over 40,000 studio licensed, authorized and authenticated ...
theiconsmuseum.blogspot.com
And here's the ICONS page with a few of their skulls:
Icons Terminator 2 Endo Skull Prototype - Rare "Pipe-Neck Version"
Here is the original (and unseen for 29 years) Icons Endo Skull Prototype known as the "Pipe-Neck Version". Back in 1996, Icons was the fir...
theiconsmuseum.blogspot.com
Regarding the size of my foam skull. It would be interesting to see how it compares in size to gizmo's skull.
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killuminati89
Active Member
Why is this little corner straight on the M1 and further down on all the others?
and this point is visible on many t2 or t3 models except for some other models. does anyone know if this is also available on the emp t1 skull? unfortunately I couldn't see it
A link to the last auction of a crew gift skull
www.liveauctioneers.com
And this one a full finished icons Endoskeletons
and this point is visible on many t2 or t3 models except for some other models. does anyone know if this is also available on the emp t1 skull? unfortunately I couldn't see it
A link to the last auction of a crew gift skull
Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991) - Stan Winston Studio Light-up T-800 Endoskull Crew Gift - Aug 15, 2024 | Propstore In Ca
TERMINATOR 2: JUDGMENT DAY (1991) - Stan Winston Studio Light-Up T-800 Endoskull Crew Gift - A light-up T-800 endoskull crew gift from the production of{ellipsis} Item was passed
www.liveauctioneers.com
And this one a full finished icons Endoskeletons
lifesize statue - Terminator 2 - Endoskeleton
I got the triple plated Icons Endoskeleton in a trade with a fellow collector. It was some kind of a kit, meaning we had to screw it together and fabricate the small pistons. Fortunately we found most…
prop-doc.de
T2- icons Endoskeleton
After almost two decades, I decided to give my Icons Endo the finally a proper overhaul and a fitting base. I disassembled the whole thing and replaced some piston extensions and screws and added new…
prop-doc.de
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ghostman
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So what I thought was ICNS was Timeless?Concerning the claim that the ICONS is a recast of the M1, then I have forwarded the notion earlier, that that may not be the case. The reason the ICONS have the M1 temple inserts is because SWS added it to all their T2:3D style skulls. So ICONS may not even have known that they were copying the M1 temples - they were simply copying the T2:3D style skull they were sent from SWS or wherever they got their master casting or mold from. It is not a new sculpt. It has direct ties to the T2:3D style skulls, so what T-Studio is stating on his site is incorrect.
It seems he is talking about both the ICONS and Timeless, not realizing that they are two separate castings. I also used to lump those two together and it wasn't actually until this thread I was told that they were separate.
Reposted from earlier:
Here's the Timeless page:
"Icons - Timeless Collectibles" Terminator 2 Endoskull, T-1000 Stabbing Finger and T-800 Brain Chip Prototype
Background on Icons / Timeless Collectibles : Though Icons successfully shipped over 40,000 studio licensed, authorized and authenticated ...
And here's the ICONS page with a few of their skulls:
Icons Terminator 2 Endo Skull Prototype - Rare "Pipe-Neck Version"
Here is the original (and unseen for 29 years) Icons Endo Skull Prototype known as the "Pipe-Neck Version". Back in 1996, Icons was the fir...
Regarding the size of my foam skull. It would be interesting to see how it compares in size to gizmo's skull.
ghostman
Well-Known Member
Why is this little corner straight on the M1 and further down on all the others?
and this point is visible on many t2 or t3 models except for some other models. does anyone know if this is also available on the emp t1 skull? unfortunately I couldn't see it
A link to the last auction of a crew gift skull
Terminator 2: Judgment Day (1991) - Stan Winston Studio Light-up T-800 Endoskull Crew Gift - Aug 15, 2024 | Propstore In Ca
TERMINATOR 2: JUDGMENT DAY (1991) - Stan Winston Studio Light-Up T-800 Endoskull Crew Gift - A light-up T-800 endoskull crew gift from the production of{ellipsis} Item was passed
And this one a full finished icons Endoskeletons
lifesize statue - Terminator 2 - Endoskeleton
I got the triple plated Icons Endoskeleton in a trade with a fellow collector. It was some kind of a kit, meaning we had to screw it together and fabricate the small pistons. Fortunately we found most…prop-doc.de
T2- icons Endoskeleton
After almost two decades, I decided to give my Icons Endo the finally a proper overhaul and a fitting base. I disassembled the whole thing and replaced some piston extensions and screws and added new…prop-doc.de
In the clay prototype it protrudes downwards.
Is the nose also due to a separate part?
killuminati89
Active Member
I think that with the t1 nose it was separate but then a mold..... DIFFERENT only with the m1.View attachment 1843994View attachment 1843995
In the clay prototype it protrudes downwards.
Is the nose also due to a separate part?
I still don’t understand some of the changes
it's all from t1 the models are all from the t1 skull, they only added or removed a few things, for example the nose was made shorter or more rounded, that's why I make my model like T1 and add everything that was added or what I like better
the skull will be a t1-t4 mix but I want to know a few questions
and is this round dot also available on the emp t1 skull? , Why is this corner under the eye on the M1 straight?
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ghostman
Well-Known Member
The bubble-prone areas of the nose may have holes in the negative shape to remove air bubbles.
This is not seen on other individuals, so
Could it be a point caused by forgetting to erase the mould in that hole?
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Too Much Garlic
Master Member
The M1 is probably straight, because they redid all the grooves and may have considered the square dropping down beneath the groove to be aesthetically displeasing.
killuminati89
Active Member
It could be that this happens to some people, but I don't understand whether that is a reason to change the entire model because everything in the nose area is gone, I just thought that the model might really come from the future because it looks like it was made by computers from the future because everything is straight LOL but it can't be seen in any other model at the moment there is a lot of talk about artificial intelligence which is why I asked something afterwards but didn't get a proper answer.... Steven Spieberg once said in an interview everything is true we tell you through the films LOL
In addition, the Stan Winston Studio is near Roswell Area 51 Oo and they also have a Predator xD sry maybe I should take a little break too
Too Much Garlic
Master Member
The T2:3D storefront endos sport the Timeless style skull (which may also be what the full ICONS endoskeletons have - I will have to check that). It is production style, but warped - too fat.
The ICONS Endoskull display piece is T2:3D style, but more accurately shaped, but has the droop on one side, which all of that style has - most licensed skulls + the SWS gift skulls.
The ICONS Endoskull display piece is T2:3D style, but more accurately shaped, but has the droop on one side, which all of that style has - most licensed skulls + the SWS gift skulls.
Too Much Garlic
Master Member
The M1 nose being different may be a licensing reason.
killuminati89
Active Member
Ok, it's a pity that there is only the M1 kit, because I find it a bit disturbing that the details are not there
killuminati89
Active Member
I think it was easier to get it out of the mold and that's why they removed a lot of details, if the details were in it wouldn't come out without cracks or breaks in the mold or on the m1 kit. the m1 is very good for me for reconstructing the original because I can edit a lot of things details to make it like the original.. the only thing that bothers me is the shrinkage when I compare it with the HCG skull it is 5-10% smaller. The only strange thing is that all Stan Winston models have all the details except the T1 details. Maybe they already did it with 3D printers for the T2.?!?
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Too Much Garlic
Master Member
Nope. 3D printing wasn't that good back then.
ghostman
Well-Known Member
The first replica by XFX Studios, which took over the licence from Stan Winston Studios, was the closest to the original, which was later passed on to Lucasfrancis Studios and then to the Hollywood Collectors Gallery.
Soft vinyl shrinks a lot, so the M1 is quite small.
So is SWS>XFX_S>LFS=HCG>M1? I think.
Have you guys seen the T2 stuff in the latest Prop Store auction?
