SSRN Seaview
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Studio Scale ALIEN & ALIENS Narcissus Retooled, redetailed
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DARKSIDE72
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It should also be noted that this is a casting of the ALIENS narc and not the ALIEN. Two VERY different models in details and dimensions. I agree with you Paul, this is a very poor rendering of the model.
DARKSIDE72
Sr Member
I didn't pass judgment. I didn't need to. The pictures spoke for themselves. I just agreed with Paul's statements.
First the nose of this model is horrendously wrong. It is offset and far to small. Details are missing. The engine nozzles are incorrectly installed/back wards. The original casting off of the stolen Narc had a cockpit interior, as did the original. The landing gear pods seem incomplete/broken or they have been added incorrectly. The sides seem warped from your pictures.
Your casting may kick ass but the master you used was pretty much crap, there is no way it was an original pull, someone was blowing a lot of smoke up your ass man, sorry but these are just the facts. I hope you didn't pay to much for it.
Here is how the ALIENS Narc should look.
As far as reference all I have collected other than the model pictured ,is of the original ALIEN Narc.
First the nose of this model is horrendously wrong. It is offset and far to small. Details are missing. The engine nozzles are incorrectly installed/back wards. The original casting off of the stolen Narc had a cockpit interior, as did the original. The landing gear pods seem incomplete/broken or they have been added incorrectly. The sides seem warped from your pictures.
Your casting may kick ass but the master you used was pretty much crap, there is no way it was an original pull, someone was blowing a lot of smoke up your ass man, sorry but these are just the facts. I hope you didn't pay to much for it.
Here is how the ALIENS Narc should look.
As far as reference all I have collected other than the model pictured ,is of the original ALIEN Narc.
DARKSIDE72
Sr Member
I don't require a lecture on my standards son. I am not ashamed to call them as I see them. Why should an individuals standards be anything other than HIGH when shelling out a lot of money for a product? Your ******** right I have high standards.
aliensarchive
Sr Member
Wow, that is amazing. Nice ship!
Rogue Studios
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I think what Darkside72 is saying/expecting is with all of the build up and hoopla and then the curtain finally drops it wasn't what he expected and since it's a WIP maybe you can post pics of the completed one later..when all of the clean up and rescribing is done.
Lee
Lee
Dymerski
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Darkside, step aside please. Honestly, what makes you the king of all that is grand and holy? This is a HOBBY for ****** sakes. Lighten it up.
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MAN...I agree, I owned a pull from the actual model that I got from Paul F. himself...and built 3 of them with full interiors, this version looks rather nice just a little soft. Just be happy thay Chaucer44 is offering it! although the engines are reversed and need fixed. The nose being too small?, mine looked like that also.
Dean
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Darkside, step aside please. Honestly, what makes you the king of all that is grand and holy? This is a HOBBY for ****** sakes. Lighten it up.
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MAN...I agree, I owned a pull from the actual model that I got from Paul F. himself...and built 3 of them with full interiors, this version looks rather nice just a little soft. Just be happy thay Chaucer44 is offering it! although the engines are reversed and need fixed. The nose being too small?, mine looked like that also.
Dean
DARKSIDE72
Sr Member
Yea I know, I'm a rotten ******* for pointing out the obvious. So be it...
Well what I told Chaucer is this:
I bought the original in 96", the photos above that Darkside posted look like they wre take on my desk at Anubis the day it came in.
I re-molded the piece and made several replicas.
I assumed that the one that Chaucer received was a recast that someone else had produced on one of mine.
There is a thing called tells, I put them into every replica I produce. Why do I do it, in case one of my replicas is sold as an original or is recast.
Just ask the Mantis how my tells helped him determine a prop that he bought as an original was indeed one I produced.
Honestly I like Chaucer and have nothing but god dealings, but this casting is horrible to say the least.
It's one thing to get recast, but poorly only hurts the next guy.
So the tells that I put into the ship are all over Chaucers piece, how do I know, I personally put them there.
I really don't care I don't own the rights. I just wanted to know who recast it first.
I will post some pictures of my version soon.
The ones that MIM were selling and the one in their store were from my molds.
Paul
sales@lucasfrancisstudio.com
I bought the original in 96", the photos above that Darkside posted look like they wre take on my desk at Anubis the day it came in.
I re-molded the piece and made several replicas.
I assumed that the one that Chaucer received was a recast that someone else had produced on one of mine.
There is a thing called tells, I put them into every replica I produce. Why do I do it, in case one of my replicas is sold as an original or is recast.
Just ask the Mantis how my tells helped him determine a prop that he bought as an original was indeed one I produced.
Honestly I like Chaucer and have nothing but god dealings, but this casting is horrible to say the least.
It's one thing to get recast, but poorly only hurts the next guy.
So the tells that I put into the ship are all over Chaucers piece, how do I know, I personally put them there.
I really don't care I don't own the rights. I just wanted to know who recast it first.
I will post some pictures of my version soon.
The ones that MIM were selling and the one in their store were from my molds.
Paul
sales@lucasfrancisstudio.com
Spellbinder99
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Paul, will these pictures actually point out some of these "tells" so that the casting could definitely be identified as a later generation casting of the one that passed through your hands? Surely now, when you are pointing out the lineage of the model would be the time to do so?
I am sure that Cris obtained it legitimately but it would be nice to nail down the heritage of such a piece. I only ask this as Moderator of the Aliens Prop Replica Board as I like to have such information available in case the members are interested in purchasing.
I noticed a large casting of the Narcissus sold recently on e-bay to Rcrobert, so it will definitely be on the re-cast production line soon as he recasts EVERYTHING he buys, but I think that was a smaller version.
Cris, I know you are a busy man, but it does you no favours when such an obvious thing as having the engine nozzles on backwards is shown on your first casting. I would suggest that even if it was cast that way on the version you got, you cut them off and reverse them. As for the rest, I don't know much about the detailing, but that blares out.
Cheers
Tony
I am sure that Cris obtained it legitimately but it would be nice to nail down the heritage of such a piece. I only ask this as Moderator of the Aliens Prop Replica Board as I like to have such information available in case the members are interested in purchasing.
I noticed a large casting of the Narcissus sold recently on e-bay to Rcrobert, so it will definitely be on the re-cast production line soon as he recasts EVERYTHING he buys, but I think that was a smaller version.
Cris, I know you are a busy man, but it does you no favours when such an obvious thing as having the engine nozzles on backwards is shown on your first casting. I would suggest that even if it was cast that way on the version you got, you cut them off and reverse them. As for the rest, I don't know much about the detailing, but that blares out.
Cheers
Tony
I only let my Tells be known to people that get duped.
But the ship that Chaucer has is definitely re-cast from my piece.
Paul
sales@lucasfrancisstudio.com
But the ship that Chaucer has is definitely re-cast from my piece.
Paul
sales@lucasfrancisstudio.com
Spellbinder99
Well-Known Member
OK Paul, thank you for responding.
Cheers
Tony
Cheers
Tony
Let me follow up by saying, Chris is a stand up guy and I like him and his stuff a lot.
I have zero rights to that ship and if he wanted to knock off one of my early castings, not only could I do nothing about it, but I wouldn't care.
I only wanted to give the lineage to that piece so some didn't thing it was cast from a studio original.
I support Chris's attempt at making that beast, I know I would never tackle that thing again and never want to build another as long as I live!
If you want what I think is a decent replica, see him and he should be able to hook you up.
I am also sending him some detailed shots so he can fix some of the problems his boat has. But the pictures will be of the cast piece, I want my little tells to remain!
Paul
sales@lucasfrancisstudio.com
I have zero rights to that ship and if he wanted to knock off one of my early castings, not only could I do nothing about it, but I wouldn't care.
I only wanted to give the lineage to that piece so some didn't thing it was cast from a studio original.
I support Chris's attempt at making that beast, I know I would never tackle that thing again and never want to build another as long as I live!
If you want what I think is a decent replica, see him and he should be able to hook you up.
I am also sending him some detailed shots so he can fix some of the problems his boat has. But the pictures will be of the cast piece, I want my little tells to remain!
Paul
sales@lucasfrancisstudio.com
Utinni
Sr Member
Excuse me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that ship stolen right after it was on display? And if it was stolen, weren't you worried about owning a stolen piece of studio Property....and then recasting it?????? Or is it a complete fan made replica? Wasn't sure when you say "Original" if it was the original screen used one, or the "original replica that was molded".... Just curious about it...
Also, just wondering... since you put "tells" into the piece, it's no longer screen accurate... that kinda sucks for collectors if you told them it was.
Also, just wondering... since you put "tells" into the piece, it's no longer screen accurate... that kinda sucks for collectors if you told them it was.
Ah once again an uninformed rumor posted about the Narcissus.
Let me spell it out for you one more time.
Back when they were doing Alien war they wanted to use some of the original props from the film. Just so happens that a container at Heathrow airport was storing most of the hero costumes and props from the film. These pieces were liberated by the Alien War people and some pieces were taken that they weren't allowed to take.
Regardless, Fox nor Jim Cameron never filled a police report and the container was later emptied and the contents shipped to Fox.
So you see the Narcissus was taken and is used in some of the video shots in Alien War, so it was on the allowed to be taken list.
After it was used, someone did liberate the piece and most of the props in private hands. In other words if the studio doesn't know you have that original prop, most likely it was liberated (stolen) by someone that worked on the film or dug it out of the trash.
Some have heard that it was stolen from Bob Burns. That is an outright lie and Bob burns will tell you that himself. He was promised the piece by Jim Cameron. When the piece was taken from the container, it never resurfaced.
So being promised something and actually owning it were two different things.
It was offered to Bob Burns before I even considered buying the piece, but he didn't have the cash to pay for such a high priced piece.
Once I bought the Narc I offered the piece to Bob Burns, but after paying $5000 for the piece, he didn't want to reimburse me for the prop.
Instead he wanted to give me some props in trade, which would have been fine, but what he wanted to give me was no where near what the Narc was worth or even what I paid for it.
Anyway, I bought the Narc way after the limitations had run out of the liberation of the Narc. Believe me I checked and even notified Fox and Bob Burns when I bought this piece.
And as for putting tells onto something, if I didn't do it some of the replicas I was making back in 95' would be passed off as originals.
Archive this thread, it's the last time I will tell the Narc story.
You can believe what you want, you can ask Bob Burns, but the piece was legitimate and was never stolen, unless you consider that original prop you got from a buddy under the table as stolen.
Paul
sales@lucasfrancisstudio.com
Let me spell it out for you one more time.
Back when they were doing Alien war they wanted to use some of the original props from the film. Just so happens that a container at Heathrow airport was storing most of the hero costumes and props from the film. These pieces were liberated by the Alien War people and some pieces were taken that they weren't allowed to take.
Regardless, Fox nor Jim Cameron never filled a police report and the container was later emptied and the contents shipped to Fox.
So you see the Narcissus was taken and is used in some of the video shots in Alien War, so it was on the allowed to be taken list.
After it was used, someone did liberate the piece and most of the props in private hands. In other words if the studio doesn't know you have that original prop, most likely it was liberated (stolen) by someone that worked on the film or dug it out of the trash.
Some have heard that it was stolen from Bob Burns. That is an outright lie and Bob burns will tell you that himself. He was promised the piece by Jim Cameron. When the piece was taken from the container, it never resurfaced.
So being promised something and actually owning it were two different things.
It was offered to Bob Burns before I even considered buying the piece, but he didn't have the cash to pay for such a high priced piece.
Once I bought the Narc I offered the piece to Bob Burns, but after paying $5000 for the piece, he didn't want to reimburse me for the prop.
Instead he wanted to give me some props in trade, which would have been fine, but what he wanted to give me was no where near what the Narc was worth or even what I paid for it.
Anyway, I bought the Narc way after the limitations had run out of the liberation of the Narc. Believe me I checked and even notified Fox and Bob Burns when I bought this piece.
And as for putting tells onto something, if I didn't do it some of the replicas I was making back in 95' would be passed off as originals.
Archive this thread, it's the last time I will tell the Narc story.
You can believe what you want, you can ask Bob Burns, but the piece was legitimate and was never stolen, unless you consider that original prop you got from a buddy under the table as stolen.
Paul
sales@lucasfrancisstudio.com
