still need info on early and unusual BR blasters

androidandy

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I need help constructing a history of the different Blade Runner Deckard gun replicas made. I started collecting pictures of different blasters off of Ebay, Rich Coyles site and off of the many prop forums around. It got me thinking about the evolution of the prop replicas and the many variations of them out there. My hope is to first create a Timeline and ID guide of the different replicas. I am also working on a history of the replicas themselves. I have been talking to both Rich Coyle and Rick Ross about their guns and versions they created. They have encouraged me to possibly publish the outcome of my research. I would gladly share any information I can come up with, with other collectors. I am looking mostly for history of all the significant Blasters and their production times and maybe even quantities. I would like to talk with the creators themselves when possible. I am also in need of pictures I could use for reference that i could perhaps get permission to publish. I personally own several guns but they are not enough to make any good pictoral reference from :). Anybody who just wants to give me interesting stories about their guns and what they have seen in the past would also be apreciated and welcome. It is my intention to make this information available to everybody in a downloadable file format or weblog version or both.

I guess any information is good information at this time, and very much apreciated,

Thank you,
Andy
 
Hi Andy, That sound like a very interresting project you are doing.One thing to keep in mind is that there are more then Rich's or Rick's work out there but these guys are what I believe are the pioneers of the whole BR Blaster prop mania that has happened over the last two or three years.I've myself have read about 8 or 9 different kits from various sources on the web not to mention the appearance of the metal versions of this prop from Japan, England and Italy. I wish you luck on this projdct of you and I hope I can get a hard copy of the final product.Thanks :cheers :thumbsup
 
I Know I especially need help finding Information on the Oz Shop and Marco Enterprize guns. I also have pics of a lot of other Guns that I have yet to ID. I would also love to talk to Adam Savage about the gun he has on his website that he made. I also recently got info on the guy who created the Hartford Guns. Nick the saber guy might hopefully have information regarding M2019 diecast (and maybe earlier resin versions). Any help and info at all is appreciated.
 
I have two different resin kits. One is a standard Rick Ross model that I'm sure most of us have seen and/or own. I even have the box for it still.

The other one I have is an ancient solid hunk of resin I picked up at a GenCon about 13 years ago. I've held onto it for comedic value alone. I have no idea who sculpted it, but it's obvious they were just going by blurry screen captures. Everything is oversized, and there is hardly any detail on it at all.

I'd be happy to provide you with photos, but unfortunately, all I have is a crappy camera phone.
 
andy,

great idea.


if i can suggest, i would start a thread on each photo/version you have, (one every week or so) and ask everyone to look at the photo and identify the model and post any info they have on it. there are so many versions and so much info out there.

i run brprops.com, which just went down last week(server issues).but please pm your email address and we can chat offline, as im working on getting the site back up, which is just an archive of any br prop type items that i'e stumble across in my collecting and surfing. and i've got tons of images of unidentifiable guns as well. a bunch more than whats posted on my site i haven't had time to update.

you can still see the site here...
http://web.archive.org/web/20060207050433/....com/index.html


anyways, talk soon.

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shawn
 
I hope to shortly have images of all my BR guns. I have the Marco, several of the Dopplegangers and Coyles, some nice customs, plus an assortment of convention kit recasts 9, 10 years old.

I'd like to ID as many as possible so hopefully I can get this done soon.
 
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I have two different resin kits. One is a standard Rick Ross model that I'm sure most of us have seen and/or own. I even have the box for it still.

The other one I have is an ancient solid hunk of resin I picked up at a GenCon about 13 years ago. I've held onto it for comedic value alone. I have no idea who sculpted it, but it's obvious they were just going by blurry screen captures. Everything is oversized, and there is hardly any detail on it at all.

I'd be happy to provide you with photos, but unfortunately, all I have is a crappy camera phone.
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Sounds great Shawn, I will PM you my email addy. Your site was a big help to me and Have some things for your site if interested.

andy
 
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I hope to shortly have images of all my BR guns. I have the Marco, several of the Dopplegangers and Coyles, some nice customs, plus an assortment of convention kit recasts 9, 10 years old.

I'd like to ID as many as possible so hopefully I can get this done soon.
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Very cool. I am glad you guys have come on board for this. I will post more pics soon. In the meantime I am looking for more free picture hosting sites that I can use.

andy
 
Some specific questions to hopefully bring this thread to life again...
1-Does any body have any information on when the Oz Shop and Marco Guns were made?... and....
2-Does anybody know how I can contact someone from there?
3-Any information or pics about the Reshape gun advertized on Comet Miniatures site?
Thank you all in advance..andy
 
I purchased a Marco Ent. BR pistol back around 1991, but I assume it was created before then.
But atleast that's a stepping stone towards it's date of creation?
 
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I purchased a Marco Ent. BR pistol back around 1991, but I assume it was created before then.
But atleast that's a stepping stone towards it's date of creation?
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Most of the Marco information I have is from late 80s to early 90s...but that information is very sparse and unconfirmed. I was hoping someone might have some of their old catalogs.

andy
 
I just wanted to bump this up because I am working on my rough drafts for this and still have way to many holes yet. Still need better info on the Marco and Oz kits...also looking for info on the Jupiter model. It appears to me to be based off of a stunt casting with a .223 clip. Don't know if all the 200 run were made or not or where they were made, or who made them...

BTW this is also an opportunity for anybody with an unusual version to show it off. I don't care how bad it looks or how inaccurate it is. I also want stories about where you bought them, from who, and when. Really good info and I will send you an origional red snake pit bar match book.
 
As for the Marco BR pistol, have you thought about contacting the creator himself? Someone posted his address not long ago.
 
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The conception of the C&S blaster and it's history is outlined here.

http://props.steinschneider.com/blade_runner/bldrunbl.htm

Next year will be the 10th anniversary of this model. Time flies...

Phil
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Thanks Phil, I have talked both to you and Rich personally about it and got some really good info already. The problem with your sites is that are are no dates. ;)


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As for the Marco BR pistol, have you thought about contacting the creator himself? Someone posted his address not long ago.
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I did a general search for "marco" and didn't find it. I will have to try again tonight and see what I can come up with.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(dropshipbob @ Jan 16 2007, 02:29 PM) [snapback]1398377[/snapback]</div>
As for the Marco BR pistol, have you thought about contacting the creator himself? Someone posted his address not long ago.
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I looked at over 20 threads page by page and could not find his address. Any Idea what the thread was about? I may have skimmed past it. Thank you,

Andy
 
Here is my current draft of the timeline. As you can see it still has a lot of holes and possible inaccuracies. I am welcome to all feedback and hope more discussion of the guns will come as a result. I tried not to include "obvious" "recasts" unless they did something to "improve" or "update" a gun...this might also include its marketing. I also tried to stick to the ones based on the movie gun. An expanded version of this timeline is also being worked on with Pictures to use as an identification guide. Thank you to all that have helped me so far with this.

andy


Blade Runner: DeckardÂ’s Gun and its Replicas Timeline

EARLY 80Â’s
1980-1982; The film was in production and after several rejected ideas (including a Syd Mead design that was mistaken for a phone and a conversion of a Cop derringer designed by Stephen Dane) the “Hero” gun was built from a combination of an Austrian Steyr sniper rifle and Charter Arms Bulldog pistol by an unaccredited gun smith. After an early version of this “Hero” was made, a mold was made from it to make “Stunt dummy” versions of the gun that were used in some action scenes and by police extras in the film. The Hero was then modified additionally to fit Harrison Ford’s hand and to make it more “weathered”. After the movie was finished the “Hero” gun disappeared from the public eye but a number of different “stunt” castings made it into the hands of the crew and later into private hands.

The first reproductions of this gun were made from the stunt castings and a few “one-ups” were made by fans that sat through the movie multiple times and by obtaining available press material.

????; One of the “one-up” guns may have become the Oz Shop Gun from Japan. It was a multi-piece kit that also came with light up LEDs. It also became one of the most “recasted” kits of all time.

Mid 80Â’s
1985-early 90s; Richard Coyle obtains castings off of a stunt version was able to make upgraded versions with lights (including a red light in the top Steyr barrel) and then in the Early 90’s he added sound effect electronics. Others did similar things at a later date such as the Jupiter Production Model, but Richard’s versions helped begin his career as “Mr. Blade Runner”.
Late 80Â’s
1987(?); The Japanese Company Adventure Make (or AdVen) made a very simplified kit of the gun that could also have electronics.
1989-early 90Â’s; John Marco of Marco Enterprises made one of the most successful versions of the gun by using an Oz Shop Gun and adding new sound and light features and putting in a clear acrylic rod in the barrel to help create a flash effect. He also made a leather holster. To those who had only seen the movie on TV, this gun still looked accurate.

Early 90Â’s
1992; Rick Ross is inspired by a publicity photo of the gun in DeckardÂ’s holster to create a gun with clear amber grips, but it will be several years before his first version is finished.
1993; a Japanese Fan creates a one-up version that incorporates the Steyr barrel and a Pistol inside, He talks about the pistol being a charter arms gun, but instead uses another style airsoft gun for the basis. He also has a holster made that incorporates the inner spring from the idea of a “clam” style or “cross draw” holster.
1993; Shawn Morgan is asked by a replica prop seller for Universal Amour to fix or rebuild a multi-generational recast off of a “Stunt” gun and he builds a fairly accurate but smaller replica from scratch that will be taken apart and turned into hundreds of kits that are still “recast” today. The Gun was also used as a prop for the advertising artwork for the Westwood video game.

Mid 90Â’s
1996; Rick Ross is almost finished with his first version of the gun but after being able to compare it side by side with a Richard Coyle early version he decides to go in a different direction and make his own “reinterpretation” of the gun.
1997; Rick Ross as Doppelganger Studios finishes his first Version and coins the term “PKD” (for Phillip K. Dick author of the novel that was the inspiration for BR) as the name for the gun. The name PKD will later become synonymous with all versions of the gun. He also almost simultaneously with Richard Coyle make the first replica BR guns with the clear amber grips. His kit also features the light up LED electronics in the clip. This model and Rick’s later model the PKD2 also become the most “recasted” of the BR gun kits. The PKD1 is also used as a model for the Japanese made Android Hunter action figure that is clearly meant to be Rick Deckard.
1997; Richard Coyle teams up with Phil Steinschneider to make the most accurate and most functional BR gun ever made. Using actual gun parts to make a master, they make the C&S 1. The gun has working bolt mechanism, Working and opening cylinder, Working Hammer and trigger, and of course light up LED electronics in the clip. Guns will be mostly made as built up which also helps to prevent “recasts” from being made to some degree.

Late 90Â’s
1998-1999; Richard Coyle makes C&S v2 with rubber grips. Originally 12 were made, but 8 were recalled and made into version 3s with resin grips.
1999-2003; Richard Coyle C&S v3 made with minor variations in grips, screws and paint job throughout its run. It is probably the most common of the C&S versions.

Early 2000
2000; A fire in Rick RossÂ’s studio destroys molds and damages master of PDK1 so rick develops PDK2 a design closer in size and look to the authentic prop.
2001; Rick Ross uses leftover PKD1 kits and new parts to create 5 PKD Magnum built-ups. He also creates the snub blaster, metal upgrade parts for the PKD2, A special edition PKD2 built-up with metal grip frames, Takes off the Shimago Dominguez Corp and puts back the Pflager Katsumata series D to remove any movie connotation, and also makes a PKD3 which combines the PKD2 with the Snub grip.
2002; after 9/11 Rick Ross takes a break from making kits and sells his molds and masters of the PKD2 to EDC studios.
2003; Conety Kato working for Hartford Japan creates working airsoft and cap firing totally machined, production made guns influenced by the 1993 Japanese one-up and Richard Coyle’s C&S v3. Monsters in Motion later sells two “recast” all resin kit versions of this gun under the name M2019 before the Off-World version is made.
2003; Richard Coyle, after a thread on the RPF (Replica Prop Forum) using screen caps and group input, creates the more accurate C&S v4 in May. It includes black grip frame, black bottom grip butt plate with pinky notch, a 5th red LED under clip, and green LED on the “sight rod”. The version 4 is updated again in July into the C&S.4.5, with LED holders in the clip, and again later with more accurate screws.

Mid 2000Â’s
2004/2005?; SID Kit in Italy makes a mixed metal and resin copy of the C&S v3 with more metal parts and in kit form instead of a build up. It also updates the C&S design somewhat with a working thumb release for the cylinder. He also adds on a totally non-cannon working laser sight and later offers black rubber grips. 2006; In April Richard Coyle announces an all metal Version of the C&S with Electronic lights and sound effects (32 were made). In May he announces a PatrolmanÂ’s Special Version of the C&S v4 with black grips.
2006; SID Kit Italy offers an all metal Kit with even more updated parts including new grips. This kit is limited to a quantity of 250.
2006; In August during the Worldcon Science Fiction convention in Los Angeles the original “hero” gun is displayed and then photographed in detail by Karl Tate. It is the first public appearance known since the movie was finished.
2006; Off-World Mfg. makes a machined and production manufactured version of the gun. It contains die-cast and molded ABS plastic parts. It is sold Primarily through Monsters in Motion. It combines the functions and style of the C&S guns and the Hartford Japanese guns. It also takes off the Steyr markings to put on its own non-cannon, but movie inspired text.
2006; Rick Ross comes out of prop maker retirement to produce limited and updated versions of the PKD Snub kit and PKD Magnum.
2007; In February Richard Coyle announces the CS&T version of the gun that is even more accurate using the Worldcon photos. The “T” in the name is for Karl Tate, who first published the photos of the “Hero” and called Richard Coyle, who was able to come to see it for himself. Two versions of the gun are to be made including a mixed metal and resin and an almost all metal version that is essentially metal part for metal part, and plastic part for plastic part matching the “Hero” gun.

RESOURCES
Rick Ross, Richard A. Coyle and www.RACProps.com, Phil Steinschneider and www.Steinschneider.com, Shawn Pucknell and www.BRProps.com, Gary Willoughby and www.bladezone.com, www.BRMovie.com, www.theRPF.com, Shawn Morgan, www.hartford.co.jp,
 
Interesting. I am guessing either there is some sort of Blade Runner Backlash going on or BR mafia has quieted everybody? I thought for sure I would at least get some critics to chime in. Yeah I am taunting I guess :). And I thought you guys knew it all ;)

Thank you to all of you who have helped me so far. I will continue on this project slowly but surely and updates will be posted at propsummit and bladezone, and maybe here if anybody here cares anymore :p
 
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