Statesman from City of Heroes

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  1. Todogut

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    I downloaded the New Blood's free Bagley ultimate Spider-Man dye sub pattern (http://www.therpf.com/f78/free-bagley-usm-spider-man-files-215743/) (which features musculature shading by kenlandrum) and modified it to create a pattern for the bodysuit of a superhero named Statesman (http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Statesman) from the massively multiplayer online roleplaying game City of Heroes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_of_Heroes). I still have to add textures to the red and blue parts; but, here is an image of the work in progress:

    View attachment StatesmanPatternWIP.jpg

    At present, my major concern about the pattern is this: how can I know if the straight lines of Statesman's bodysuit will actually align as intended when the costume is printed via dye sublimation onto Lycra fabric, cut out, and sewn together?

    As shown in these reference images, the red and blue parts of Statesman's bodysuit are divided up the middle of his legs and torso toward the neck. Additionally, there's a red part on his arms, which has a stylized shape at the shoulders.

    Statesman5.jpg Statesman2.jpg Statesman1.jpg StatesmanStatue.jpg StatesmanDefeated.jpg

    I tried my best to draw the costume on the pattern; but, I'm not confident that the lines will be straight particularly in the neck area.

    Can any of the dye sub pattern makers please review my pattern and provide feedback and/or advice? How can I ensure the lines are straight?

    Thank you for your consideration,
    Todo
     
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  2. Todogut

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    Re: Review/Advice Wanted from Dye Sub Pattern Makers

    I added a texture layer to the red and blue parts of the pattern.

    TextureChestEmblem.jpg

    As soon as I finish editing the texture layer, the pattern will be "done". Then, pending any review comments, I suppose it will be ready to send for printing on Lycra.
     
  3. Yrien

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    Re: Review/Advice Wanted from Dye Sub Pattern Makers

    Yay, always excited to see CoH stuff on here. :)
     
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    Re: Review/Advice Wanted from Dye Sub Pattern Makers

    Hi, Yrien. :) It's good to hear from a fellow City of Heroes fan.
     
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    Re: Review/Advice Wanted from Dye Sub Pattern Makers

    I saw your avatar in a different thread and had to go searching to see if you had any CoH thread and wasn't disappointed! I will be following this build with great interest (but unfortunately can't provide any advice because I've never done a dye-sub before).
     
  6. Todogut

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    I received photos from the company that printed and sewed the costume:

    1A2UWFZE}JCVUOXH}AT3W(7.jpg QCTTL6N1D@Y@UR)OT3%~F17.jpg StatesmanSuitAutoCorrected.jpg

    The photos seem to have low lighting and/or low resolution. The close-ups show the texture detail. But, can't see much of the musculature shading. And the printed blue looks much darker than the royal blue used in the pattern.

    Hard to tell how the costume will look when I receive it. Hoping for the best.
     
  7. Yrien

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    It's too bad the pictures are such poor quality. Still, I would suggest emailing them back and letting them know your concerns. I don't really see the muscle shading at all either.
     
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    Re: Review/Advice Wanted from Dye Sub Pattern Makers

    City of Heroes fans,Wowo...
    Very Nice.
     
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    Re: Review/Advice Wanted from Dye Sub Pattern Makers

    Oh, numerous emails have been sent, and I have definitely let them know my concerns. ;)

    Currently, I'm awaiting a reply about how they will address two missing special options (for a detached hood and a u-shape zipper). These special options were specified in the order form, and I paid extra fees for them. I'm asking for corrections or refunds of the extra fees.
     
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    Re: Review/Advice Wanted from Dye Sub Pattern Makers

    Hey, king20000. :) http://www.savecoh.com/
     
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    Good news regarding my Statesman bodysuit: I received a DHL tracking number, which shows my order was handed off on Thursday morning and delivery is scheduled for Monday, April 27. Hooray!


    Now, if only the suit is wearable... I should know early next week.
     
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    As a fellow CoH fan, I'm hoping to see good things here!
     
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    That goes for me as well!
     
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    CoH fan checking in. Can't wait to see the end result.
     
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    Hey, DHGamerMR, SmilingOtter, Xenphest. Lots of CoH fans on the RPF--cool!

    I received delivery of the Statesman bodysuit. It has some issues; but, still, it should be fun to wear at a comic convention.

    Here are photos of the bodysuit.

    ZZFrontSideBack.jpg

    As you can see, the bodysuit has alignment issues, which are my fault. This was my first try at creating a dye sub pattern, and obviously I didn't correctly understand how the parts of the pattern came together.

    However, when I put on Statesman's boots, belt, gloves, cape, and silver Spartan half-helmet, those costume pieces should hide a lot of the bodysuit's flaws. Although, I'll have to make some adjustments to the hood... it's very misshapen and ill-fitting.

    I provided the digital image file of my pattern to Zentai-Zentai.com in Chengdu, Sichuan Province, China. They printed the pattern onto Lycra fabric and sewed the costume together.

    The quality of ZZ's service has pros and cons:

    - The chief reason to choose ZZ is price. They print and sew a dye sub costume for $65.00. Of course, some people might contend, you get what you pay for.

    - I paid an extra fee to upgrade to what ZZ refers to as cycling jersey Lycra, which the customer service rep told me was heavier and more elastic than their regular Lycra. Indeed, I'm pleased with the fabric.

    - I provided my custom measurements to ZZ, and their tailors sewed the costume to fit my body. For sure, the suit is comfortable. However, the fit is a bit baggy in some places. Additionally, while the pattern was perfectly symmetrical, some of the sewn parts appear to be off in terms of symmetry. For example, one shoulder seam is higher than the other.

    - The printing accurately shows the honeycomb texture in the red and blue parts. However, not much of the musculature shading can be seen. Furthermore, the printed blue appears considerably darker than the royal blue that was used in the pattern. In the large white star chest emblem, one edge shows a faint, blurry quarter-inch red line overlapping the white.

    - ZZ's customer service representative, who identified himself as Chuck Johnson, was very difficult to deal with. I ended up filing a PayPal dispute and escalating it to claim status because of some problems with the transaction. Without going into detail, my buying experience was excruciatingly painful. I'm just glad it's ended... my long, international nightmare is over. I cannot disrecommend ZZ strongly enough.

    That said, some customers on ZZ's site and Facebook page have reported good experiences. Others, not so much. I fall into the latter category.
     
  16. Yrien

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    Yeah, the sewing job isn't great at all, yikes. Maybe see if you can find a local tailor that can help fit it to you better? I can't wait to see it with all the accessories, though! I don't think I've ever seen a Statesman cosplay before. :)

    I believe Zentai-Zentai is also known for taking the files sent to them by customers and selling them as their own. I don't think there would be as great of a demand for a Statesman file as (for example) Spider-Man, but just be aware that they may try to profit off your file.
     
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    I cosplayed as Statesman at the Wizard World Cleveland Comic Con in February 2015:

    CostumeContest.jpg

    The bodysuit, cape, and boots were made by Zentai-Fan.com, which has an affiliated site, Herostime.com (and is a different company from Zentai-Zentai.com). I had a much better buying experience with Zentai-Fan.

    Statesman's silver Spartan half-helmet was crafted by a skilled mask maker who goes by angelsrflammabl on the DeviantArt site: http://angelsrflamabl.deviantart.com/

    I bought the belt from an online Army/Navy Surplus store and crafted the belt buckle out of EVA foam.

    I bought the toy torch at Toys'R'Us: http://unclemilton.com/nat_geo/explorers_torch/

    I created the new dye sublimation bodysuit in hopes of making the costume better. But, unfortunately, due to execution errors, not as big of an improvement as I would have liked.

    I guess, it's back to the drawing board... or, in my case, back to Paint.NET.

    Yes, I had read threads about resold patterns. Actually, I had private messaged with Orhadar of Gun Head Design, and he remarked about his situation with Zentai-Zentai.

    Following your advice, I sent email to ZZ noting that my pattern should not be resold and the reasons why. (Not that they would want to sell my error-filled pattern; but, just to be clear.)
     
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    That looks awesome! Thanks for sharing the pic. :)
     
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    And you had the /em holdtorch! (Sorry, another CoX vet here who just found this thread. Pinnacle server.) The suit looks GREAT! I'd have stood up in that audience and held my own imaginary torch along with you.

    I and at least one of my friends (perhaps more) have commissioned a Vanguard dye-sub design for next year's C2E2, with plans to build the armor pieces out of EVA (we had a Vanguard splinter cell themed SG). I'm glad to know that, once I start the build thread, there will be people here who will not only know what I'm talking about, but appreciate it :)
     
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    Hey, Vox. Vanguard cosplay would be cool!

    After reading your post, I took another look at my pattern and compared it to the photos of the costume that Zentai-Zentai delivered... because I was bothered by the nagging thought, "Was my pattern really so misaligned?"

    ZZHeel.jpg

    As the image above shows, my pattern divided the back of Statesman's leg into blue and red parts from the heel straight up the calf. But, ZZ's costume shows the red part twisted around the leg, nowhere near the heel.

    How did such a twisted misalignment occur? The problem wasn't in my pattern. The problem was in ZZ's sewing.

    I had provided to ZZ several reference images of Statesman's costume. Plus, I had drawn the following diagram to show how I wanted the bodysuit to look:

    StatesmanBodysuitDiagram.jpg

    Even if ZZ's tailors did not speak English as their native language, still they should have been able to understand what I wanted from the diagram. It clearly shows how the red and blue parts should be aligned.

    Additionally, the diagram clearly shows the hood is detached from the bodysuit. In my pattern, I drew an extra mask to facilitate making a detached hood. I paid an extra fee for a special option of a detached hood, which is among the standard list on ZZ's site. On the order form that ZZ provided, which was an Excel spreadsheet, the customer service rep typed, "Detached Hood". But, when I received photos of the costume for review, the hood was attached to the bodysuit.

    I pointed out the mistake to the customer service rep and asked for him to make things right by providing a detached hood. But, instead, he offered to refund the additional fee for the special option.

    ZZ just didn't care.
     
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    Wow, I'm really glad I've never dealt with them (and never will, after what I've read on here!). That's pretty terrible service. :( Are you going to work with what you've got, or try to find a better company?

    Someday I might cosplay as my main character (from Paragon City Search and Rescue, on the Infinity server), but it's currently way beyond my sewing skill level!

    Sera Creamsicle.jpg

    A few years ago, at FanExpo in Toronto (it was actually the week before the game was cancelled) I saw this person dressed as her character and got SO excited! I've actually used most of those costume pieces myself and it was amazing to see them in "real life". And then I got home from the con and within days they cancelled the game. :(

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    I love finding more COH fans, though. What a great community - I miss it
     
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    I'm planning to wear the ZZ costume to Wizard World Comic Con in Philadelphia on May 9th. I would like to improve the bodysuit, and I am looking into a few options... one, in particular, looks promising and exciting; but, I don't wanna talk about it until everything lines up.

    Neat looking character. I played almost exclusively on the Infinity server. :)
     
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    I can't wait to see this finished version, and the future improved one! :)

    She's wearing what we affectionately called the "creamsicle" uniform - the "official" uniform of PCSAR. We were a supergroup of Empaths, who would fly around various zones healing, buffing, and rezzing as necessary (when we weren't in missions!). It was actually a lot of fun to patrol and help out. I particularly liked helping the lowbies when they got in over their heads.

    And I had a lot of alts, lol. By the time the game ended, I was over a hundred characters. My PCSAR toon was only one of two 50s because of that!
     
  24. DHGamerMR

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    I'll be there so I'll have to keep an eye out for you!
     
  25. Todogut

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    Cool, see you there! (If you're there on Saturday... I am attending only on Saturday.)

    The programming of events is still being filled in (with lots of "To Be Announced") but what has been announced sounds fun: http://www.wizardworld.com/programming-philadelphia.html
     
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    I'll be there all four days :)
     
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    To get my Statesman costume ready for Wizard World Comic Con in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, which was held this past weekend, I made some alterations to the hood.

    ZZHoodBeforeAfter.jpg

    As shown in the left side of the image, the hood, which was made by Zentai-Zentai.com of Chengdu, Sichuan Province, China, was misshapen and ill-fitting. The right side shows the improved hood. I glued a Halloween eye mask to the inside of the eyes and nose area, which provided support and shape. Additionally, my dear mother assisted by taking in two seams on either side of the head. Thanks, mom!

    Here is a photo from the Wizard World Facebook page showing Statesman at the con:

    WizardWorldPhilly1Cropped.jpg

    For me, one of the highlights was meeting cosplayer Jason Evans (https://www.facebook.com/xmanofsteelx), who attended in his Man of Steel costume. Here's how he looked as Superman along with his companion, Wonder Woman:

    JasonEvans.jpg

    Among the crowd of con-goers, including many people dressed in costume, Jason didn't look like just another guy in a costume... he looked like Superman. Pretty awesome. It helps that he has the handsome looks and muscular build of a movie star. Jason remarked about how he wanted to wear his New 52 Superman costume; but, my understanding is he felt it wasn't quite ready.

    Additionally, I attended a question and answer panel by Hayley Atwell, star of Agent Carter of SHIELD https://youtu.be/HJZaYWeZlYQ a cosplay panel hosted by Soni Aralynn https://www.youtube.com/user/sentaisuperchick and an interview panel with movie director Roger Corman.

    I met several people who were City of Heroes players. A Wizard World staffperson, Damian Beurer (https://www.facebook.com/DamianJBeurer) (who is also host of the Super Power Beat Down videos https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6F730F85FA7C34C2), recognized Statesman. I was standing with the 149 other people who entered the costume contest while Damian shouted instructions to us before we went on stage, and he began to name characters in the crowd... he looked in my direction and announced, "We have Statesman here tonight!"

    Alas, most people at the convention did not know who Statesman was. Several people remarked, they thought I was Magneto (because of the helmet).

    Jason David Frank, who played the green/white ranger on Mighty Morphin Power Rangers, was one of the judges for the costume contest along with two experienced cosplayers. Of course, the winners had really great costumes: https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.875661242507006.1073741933.109848425754962&type=1

    Overall, it was a fun experience; albeit rigorous due to the lengthy driving distance from my home.

    Todo
     
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    The stars have aligned.

    I could have viewed the disappointing costume that Zentai-Zentai printed and sewed for me as a mock-up or prototype, learned from what's wrong with it, and worked to improve my pattern.

    But, there comes a time when a fledgling digital artist must know his limitations... particularly one whose artistic sensibilities and talent are, putting it gently, pedestrian.

    Hence, instead of trying to improve the pattern on my own, I commissioned an expert to make a pattern of the Statesman bodysuit for me... Orhadar of Gun Head Design http://www.gunheaddesign.com/

    Statesman Gun Head Design Cropped.jpg

    After seeing Orhadar's pattern, I knew I made the correct decision. His version is so much better than I could do. I'm excited to see it printed and sewn into a costume... which is in the works. :D

    Todo
     
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    I think your costume turned out really well! Thanks for sharing the pics. Putting the mask inside the hood was genius!

    I am super excited to see your next version. Orhadar does spectacular work.
     
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    Yes, he does. And Orhadar was a pleasure to deal with--very responsive and collaborative.

    Someone uploaded a video on YouTube showing the entire Philly costume contest: [video]https://youtu.be/61fYRD6rna0[/video]

    Statesman appears at the 47:30 mark. Here are some screen captures:

    StatesmanOnStageComposite.jpg
     
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  31. AJRand

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    Hey another COH fan here! I was Ultimus :)
     
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    Totally awesome !!!
     
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    Ditto another COH fan! My main character was Maiko but I also used to run one called the OAP Avenger (Old Aged Pensioner) in the interests of representing some heroes of a more veteran nature.

    That Statesman looks fab!
     
  34. DHGamerMR

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    A shame I didn't get to see you on Saturday. I was in and out of panels all day with my girlfriend though. Looks like you had a good time and certainly had a good look!
     
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    Thanks, AJRand!

    Thanks, Fonque!

    It's cool to hear from more CoH fans!

    Yeah, DHGamerMR, sorry I missed meeting you at Wizard World Philly Con. The venue was like a big maze, so maybe it's not too surprising that we couldn't find each other. Glad to hear you and your girlfriend had a good time. Me, too!

    ZentaiFan.com sent photos of the costume they printed and sewed for me from the pattern by Orhadar of Gun Head Design.

    ZF1.jpg ZF2.jpg ZF3.jpg ZF4.jpg ZF5.jpg ZF6.jpg ZF7.jpg ZF8.jpg ZF9.jpg

    That's how the costume looks on a mannequin. It will be shipped to me in about a week or so.

    Todo
     
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    The FedEx tracking number provided by Zentai-Fan.com shows that my new Statesman bodysuit (featuring a pattern by Orhadar of Gun Head Design) has shipped from:
    - the inland city of Chengdu, Sichuan Province, China to
    - the coastal city of Shenzhen, China near Hong Kong to
    - Sennan Shi, Osaka Prefecture, Japan to
    - Memphis, Tennessee, United States of America to
    - the FedEx sorting facility in my home town, where it is scheduled for delivery to my door on Tuesday morning.

    Now, all I have to do is wait patiently for Tuesday morning....

    Todo
     
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    Today the costume arrived from Zentai-Fan.

    OrhadarZF1.jpg OrhadarZF3.jpg

    I'm thrilled! It looks great! The poor quality of my cell phone photos don't do it justice.

    Hopefully, I'll get better photos when I wear the costume this weekend at Origins Game Fair in Columbus, Ohio.

    The fit is tight, and putting it on or taking it off is like Houdini in a strait jacket. Still, the new suit is a huge improvement over my previous versions. Thanks to Orhadar of Gun Head Design for making the pattern and Zentai-Fan for printing and sewing the costume.

    I've had two positive buying experiences with Zentai-Fan. I would do business with them again and recommend their services to others.

    Todo
     
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    Count me as another CoH fan! The new suit looks great! Definitely cannot wait to see those photos!
     
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    Hey, trackboy186. Your Mass Effect costume looks amazing. CoH fans everywhere, unite!

    At Origins Game Fair this weekend, Statesman was number two!

    CostumeContest1Cropped.jpg CostumeContest3Cropped.jpg

    That is, Statesman was awarded second place in the comic book category of the costume contest. Here is a link to a YouTube video showing the costume contest: https://youtu.be/xJeGN_1EIzE Statesman appears around the 6:30 mark.

    The contest prizes were very generous, awarding cash and other goodies in five categories: fantasy, sci-fi, comic books, TV/movies, and children 12 & under. Statesman received $100 and a pass to next year's Origins convention -- hooray!

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    I searched for about 10 minutes trying to find a simple click-and-play CoH level up sound effect that I could put here, but to no avail. So I guess the only thing left to say is: Grats!

    The costume looks awesome Todogut. Well done.
     
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    Grats! :D
     
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    Statesman participated in the costume parade at Gencon in Indianapolis, Indiana this past Saturday. Here's a video of the parade where Statesman appears at 40-55 seconds.

    Statesman at Gencon 2015croppedAutocorrected.jpg
     
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    On August 22, Statesman attended WV Pop Culture Con in Morgantown, West Virginia. He participated in the Adult Novice Cosplay Contest and received a Judges Choice award from one of the judges, Sam Brooker (also known as BioCosplay). Statesman also received a $25 gift certificate to Comic Paradise Plus in Fairmont/Westover, West Virginia.

    Esteemed cosplay photographer Wes Smith (also known as The Portrait Dude) took the following photos of Statesman:

    WVPopCon2.jpg WVPopCon1.jpg WVPopCon5.jpg WVPopCon3.jpg WVPopCon4.jpg

    All of these photos were taken in a brightly lit convention room with a very high ceiling. Evidently, Wes' photographic technique created the dramatic dark background effect--neat!

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    Statesman attended Cincinnati Comic Expo in Cincinnati, Ohio on Saturday, September 19, 2015. Here are photos/videos of Statesman taken at the Click 360 Degrees booth.

    holdtorch.jpg [video]https://do9xtw27e4uep.cloudfront.net/p/up/5/c-63578266834093[/video]

    flypose3.jpg [video]https://do9xtw27e4uep.cloudfront.net/p/up/5/c-63578278567319[/video]

    Here is a link to the video gallery from CCE2015. You might get a pop-up window requiring you to enter the access code: ComicExpo.

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    Totally jealous! I wish they'd bring that booth to some of the cons I go to. That's super cool!
     
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    One of the leading pattern makers for superhero dye sublimation costumes, Sonjou of 4 NEO Designs (.com and FaceBook), has just released a new Statesman pattern--both male and female versions. Here is a link to a gallery of images showing the pattern.

    You can buy Sonjou's pattern and use it to make your own Statesman costume--just in time for Halloween!
     
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