Star Wars: The Force Awakens (Pre-release)
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astroboy
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Does this debate have anything to do with our age? I grew up with the original trilogy and never thought they were clones.
Heck, I didn't even think they were talking about the stormtroopers at all. I assumed that the clones were some other enemy
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Heck, I didn't even think they were talking about the stormtroopers at all. I assumed that the clones were some other enemy
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JD
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Despite the birthday on Saturday (same day as JJ - even he's older than me), I'm still not as old you are..well I am almost 47 and JD is as old as dirt.
But, man how time flies.
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Wolfsburg
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Greedo, Jabba, Nien Nunb, Lando, Admiral Ozzel, etc? Lol!
crabra comander
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I can't wait to see those lovable Calamaris
DakGibralter
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Not that ANYONE wants another post about this, but I'm surprised to hear that people have ever assumed that OT STs were clones - personally, I think the idea of using a clone army is much more chilling if it only happens once. That the empire used soldiers before and after, but an entire war was fought with clones and how crazy and messed up that whole thing was. Once the Empire was powerful enough, getting enlistees (even enlistees of a fairly specific height, to Leia's point in ANH) wouldn't be that easy. An army of clones is a desperate measure by a man who will stop at nothing to rise to power. Once he's IN power, why waste time with clones? There are plenty of meaningless lives under his rule to throw around without investing in the technology.
Until the prequel trilogy ignited the conversation about Leia's line in the detention cell, I always assumed that was a throwaway line reminding us that Luke was short because he was still basically a kid, and all STs were big, menacing badguys. Maybe Lucas contradicted that at some point in the future, but keep in mind, it's the guy who claims that Greedo was always supposed to shoot first.
Until the prequel trilogy ignited the conversation about Leia's line in the detention cell, I always assumed that was a throwaway line reminding us that Luke was short because he was still basically a kid, and all STs were big, menacing badguys. Maybe Lucas contradicted that at some point in the future, but keep in mind, it's the guy who claims that Greedo was always supposed to shoot first.
It's because Lucas said so. And no I don't care what Dave Filoni says because he didn't create Stormtroopers. I don't know what the percentage would be, but I'm guessing it would have to be like 90% recruits and conscripts and 10% clones. A very small number of those would be Kamino clones. Jango is dead so they wouldn't have a very fresh DNA source though so I'm guessing they aren't equal to the Prequel clones.
astroboy
Master Member
I also think it would be harder for palpatine to keep his power if he used clones.
A powerful dictator needs a civilian army in order to keep the power. There's no way that the population would allow him this control if he was growing his soldiers in a lab. He needs the population to support his cause
A powerful dictator needs a civilian army in order to keep the power. There's no way that the population would allow him this control if he was growing his soldiers in a lab. He needs the population to support his cause
Father
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I think the whole appeal of a clone army is that people from every system under the "protection" of the empire can rest knowing their fathers, mothers, sons, daughters, won't be the ones dying for their "freedom"... that is done by some soulless clone whose life holds no value to them. You see how ignorant and self-serving most of the races are in the galactic senate. People on Naboo were being killed and they actually had to have a discussion about it. The emperor promised them peace and protection through a military that nobody had to sacrifice anything for. All they had to do is accept being ruled by the empire. Seemed like a good sell at the time.
astroboy
Master Member
I understand how perfect it was for the time. But after the war, people would probably get restless. And they would start to see how tyrannical the empire is. So it makes sense that Palpatine would have to switch over to a civilian population to control the rest of them
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"The idea is that over time, there were new clone strains introduced, and then they even conscripted guys to be Storm Troopers. So it's not just purely clones: It started out as clones, but then it got diluted over the years as they found out they could shanghai guys [more cheaply] than they could build clones."
- George Lucas.
Click (http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1501522/story.jhtml)
- George Lucas.
Click (http://www.mtv.com/movies/news/articles/1501522/story.jhtml)
JD
Master Member
The entire bit...
Those who have seen all six movies now know that there is a direct link between the Clone Troopers of the first three episodes and the Storm Troopers of the three that follow. So are all those soldiers from the original trilogy actually just the same guy? “Yes,” Lucas said. Fair enough, master — but if that’s true, then why do the troopers in the earlier movies possess different voices?
“Well, yeah, some of the voices have been changed, um, to make it more consistent,” he said, raising an eyebrow at the precociousness of the Padawan. Indeed, Lucas has gone back and changed the voices of the Storm Troopers during recent re-edits for the special editions. “Those particular two guys that you’re talking about — which I know about, which is a very good performance — the idea is that over time, there were new clone strains introduced, and then they even conscripted guys to be Storm Troopers. So it’s not just purely clones: It started out as clones, but then it got diluted over the years as they found out they could shanghai guys [more cheaply] than they could build clones.”
-Uncle George
Those who have seen all six movies now know that there is a direct link between the Clone Troopers of the first three episodes and the Storm Troopers of the three that follow. So are all those soldiers from the original trilogy actually just the same guy? “Yes,” Lucas said. Fair enough, master — but if that’s true, then why do the troopers in the earlier movies possess different voices?
“Well, yeah, some of the voices have been changed, um, to make it more consistent,” he said, raising an eyebrow at the precociousness of the Padawan. Indeed, Lucas has gone back and changed the voices of the Storm Troopers during recent re-edits for the special editions. “Those particular two guys that you’re talking about — which I know about, which is a very good performance — the idea is that over time, there were new clone strains introduced, and then they even conscripted guys to be Storm Troopers. So it’s not just purely clones: It started out as clones, but then it got diluted over the years as they found out they could shanghai guys [more cheaply] than they could build clones.”
-Uncle George
He's contradicting himself, which should mean neither side can use that as evidence... He's saying both are correct, which can't be the case. Regardless, we know that Stormtroopers aren't clones definitively, so there's really no use in debating it.
JD
Master Member
The only issue I have with that is that this interview is from 2005, not 1977-1983.
JD
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That's not what I said.
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