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[Michael Bergeron]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

How could JJ have been a SW fan and never watched Trek? Sounds suspect to me. Just saying.

I know plenty of folks like that. Nothing odd about it, they're very different franchises.

 

[jme3]

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No disrespect intended, but this is an example of "fan perspective", something many of us are guilty of (myself included) from time to time. We each have our own particular fascinations with some aspects, characters, devices, or whatever, from the Star Wars universe, and we sometimes tend to exhibit obsessive behavior by studying the minutia of these things endlessly. And because we're fascinated by these things, we project this mindset onto George Lucas and expect him to know them as well as we do. The problem is that some fans expect Lucas to know everything about everything within the Star Wars universe, a task that is virtually impossible even for the most hardcore Star Wars fan. And Lucas isn't necessarily a fan--to him items such as lightsaber hilts are merely objects that help to tell the story in some way, and he really couldn't care less about what they're made from or how they work as long as they serve their intended purpose within the story he wants to tell.

Now, J.J. is probably more likely to pay attention to the little details than Lucas because a) he is a self-proclaimed Star Wars fan, and b) he hasn't been directly involved with anything and everything that has to do with Star Wars for more than four decades like Lucas has. To J.J. Episode VII will be new and exciting; to Lucas it would be just another day at the office.

None taken.

And you're right; I'm as hard on GL as anyone I guess, perhaps harder. It's bothered me greatly at times, his disregard for certain aspects of his own film "facts", and it's because of those forty years involvement with this franchise that I've given him less slack maybe than I should've done, and because I've considered him really even a bigger "geek" in this stuff than the rest of us. Just think about it: the Lucasfilm Archives is the BIGGEST repository of fan paraphernalia on the planet, and it was all his! Because he's a prop geek just like the rest of us! So no, he doesn't get a free pass. :lol

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I'm guessing Kevin Smith could as well, but I wouldn't want him doing anything with the actual films.

How could JJ have been a SW fan and never watched Trek? Sounds suspect to me. Just saying.

I honestly couldn't say much about Kevin Smith; I don't know if he's a SW fan or not.

As to JJ's SW fandom being in question because he never watched Trek...? I don't see how that compares, really. They're two different properties that appeal, for the most part anyway, to two different sets of fans.

 

[Father]

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I know plenty of folks like that. Nothing odd about it, they're very different franchises.

Madness!! Maybe it's an age thing. I would figure people that grew up when at least both were coming out with movies they would have been fans of both. I can understand the younger generation that came into Str Wars after it was on video or the prequel folks.

 

[rodneyfaile]

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Madness!! Maybe it's an age thing. I would figure people that grew up when at least both were coming out with movies they would have been fans of both. I can understand the younger generation that came into Str Wars after it was on video or the prequel folks.

I always considered Star Trek to be like the old box of saltines in the back of the cabinet. On a rainy day you'll take 'em out and snack on them because there isn't anything else in the house, but they aren't what you really want.

Star Wars is a steak dinner!

The prequels are tofu, I'd just rather be hungry.

I like the JJ Trek much more, probably because I was only a casual fan of the originals.

 

[Michael Bergeron]

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Madness!! Maybe it's an age thing. I would figure people that grew up when at least both were coming out with movies they would have been fans of both. I can understand the younger generation that came into Str Wars after it was on video or the prequel folks.

I have friends of all ages that are fans of one or the other but not both. How else do you explain the deep rooted rivalry?

In fact I think I could count the number of friends I have that are fans of both on one hand. As I said, they're VERY different. That's why so many Trek fans are upset at the "Star Wars" style JJ is taking with the new Star Trek movies.

 

[Solo4114]

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I appreciate both, but they are VERY different styles, at least if you're comparing ST: TOS/TNG and Star Wars. The films are different too, but are a bit closer simply due to format. The JJ stuff, though, is very very similar to Star Wars.

 

[Michael Bergeron]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

I always considered Star Trek to be like the old box of saltines in the back of the cabinet. On a rainy day you'll take 'em out and snack on them because there isn't anything else in the house, but they aren't what you really want.

Star Wars is a steak dinner!

The prequels are tofu, I'd just rather be hungry.

I like the JJ Trek much more, probably because I was only a casual fan of the originals.

:lol

I see Trek as a nice rack of ribs, when I'm in the mood there's nothing I want more and it's full of delicious substance.

Star Wars is a good pizza, full of flavour and goodness and again, when I'm in the mood there's nothing I want more. Less substance though.

The PT is mushy peas. I'll pass thanks.

JJ Trek is McDonalds, enjoyable but no substance and the thought of it is better than the actual product.

 

[Father]

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I think of the sequels like bottle of champagne. It seems like a good idea at the time but after you're done you just want to be sick.

Or a veggie burger. It looks good until you bite ino it and realize its not the real thing and the you want to commit and lunch the ass that served it to you for getting your hopes up for the taste you expect.

 

[Zombie_61]

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...How could JJ have been a SW fan and never watched Trek? Sounds suspect to me. Just saying.

I've read at least one interview in which Abrams said he watched Star Trek, but just didn't "get it" the way many of his friends did.

...In fact I think I could count the number of friends I have that are fans of both on one hand...

I stand with them. I watched Star Trek when it premiered in 1966 and liked it immediately. I was only five years old at the time, so I simply thought it was "cool"; I gained a much deeper appreciation for it watching the reruns as I grew older. Likewise, I saw Star Wars on opening day in May of 1977 and was simply awestruck. As such, I've never understood the fan rivalry between the two franchises and/or why some people are adamant that anyone has to choose one over the other.

On the other hand, in the "Ginger or Mary Ann?" debate I'm firmly in Mary Ann's camp, so you figure it out.

 

[Michael Bergeron]

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I stand with them. I watched Star Trek when it premiered in 1966 and liked it immediately. I was only five years old at the time, so I simply thought it was "cool"; I gained a much deeper appreciation for it watching the reruns as I grew older. Likewise, I saw Star Wars on opening day in May of 1977 and was simply awestruck. As such, I've never understood the fan rivalry between the two franchises and/or why some people are adamant that anyone has to choose one over the other.

I stand with them as well. D

On the other hand, in the "Ginger or Mary Ann?" debate I'm firmly in Mary Ann's camp, so you figure it out.

I too am strong on the Mary Ann side... But I wouldn't exactly kick Ginger out of bed... :lol

 

[Solo]

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I too am a fan of Star Trek (mostly TOS) AND Star Wars. I thoroughly enjoy both. But, I became even more of Star Trek fan as my interest in Star Wars waned with the release of each of the SW prequels.

 

[rodneyfaile]

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I too am a fan of Star Trek (mostly TOS) AND Star Wars. I thoroughly enjoy both. But, I became even more of Star Trek fan as my interest in Star Wars waned with the release of each of the SW prequels.

At one time, Star Wars was everything for me, but the gold has lost it's luster, and jewels ceased to sparkle after the special editions and prequels. Somehow I dont even find the unaltered originals as appealing as I once did. The Lucas magic just died. Indy IV was the nail in the coffin.

Instead of Star Trek though, Blade Runner took over as tops for me a long time ago. Despite the damage done by the SW prequels, I'd still be up for Blade Runner 2. Star Trek is still just a side dish.

I'm still very much looking forward to Episode VII, and I still like Star Wars, but I don't think it could ever get back to as high as it once was. It would take a miracle from JJ.

 

[aeonpulse]

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I'm a huge fan of Fringe, and a huge fan of John Noble. I'd love to see him cast in Episode VII.

 

[Solo4114]

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At one time, Star Wars was everything for me, but the gold has lost it's luster, and jewels ceased to sparkle after the special editions and prequels. Somehow I dont even find the unaltered originals as appealing as I once did. The Lucas magic just died. Indy IV was the nail in the coffin.

Instead of Star Trek though, Blade Runner took over as tops for me a long time ago. Despite the damage done by the SW prequels, I'd still be up for Blade Runner 2. Star Trek is still just a side dish.

I'm still very much looking forward to Episode VII, and I still like Star Wars, but I don't think it could ever get back to as high as it once was. It would take a miracle from JJ.

Have you tried watching them in HD on a big screen, with surround sound?

 

[rodneyfaile]

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Have you tried watching them in HD on a big screen, with surround sound?

That could be contributing. I have a 65" LCD and surround, but the only unaltered originals I have are the non-HD versions that came in that one DVD set. But that is another story.

I think the main factor is the frustration surrounding the SW franchise, the overwhelming bewilderment as to how the same guy who had talent to create Star Wars and Raiders, could not only fail with his later movies, but go back and spread that failure all over his original masterpiece. It's just saddening. It's like a family member passing away. Seriously.

 

[Bigdaddy]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Have you tried watching them in HD on a big screen, with surround sound?

Even on a 40" screen its glorious! :thumbsup :cool

 

[jme3]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Even on a 40" screen its glorious! :thumbsup :cool

:thumbsup High Def Star Wars is stellar cinema, special editions or not. The boxed set of Star Trek TMP-VI is an extremely good set of transfers, but it just doesn't light the same fires as Star Wars... I like them both, but Star Wars always just feels like home.

 

[Jedi-72]

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I have difficulty even watching the OT thanks to the SE treatment. I only own the DVDs and will not invest in the BD set unless Disney winds up giving us a true original trilogy, sans SE treatment, somewhere down the road. Not only do they SE "improvements" take me out of the experience, but the films simply look dramatically different. Star Wars was not this god-awful gaudy in terms of color palette when each film was originally released. They had much more muted, natural looking color palettes to each film. Now, every color is so over-saturated and jumping off the screen that I find it difficult to look at it. I know I'm in the minority on that, but I can't help it. Star Wars did not look like this then, and it should not look like it NOW. So let it be written.

 

[Bigdaddy]

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:thumbsup High Def Star Wars is stellar cinema, special editions or not. The boxed set of Star Trek TMP-VI is an extremely good set of transfers, but it just doesn't light the same fires as Star Wars... I like them both, but Star Wars always just feels like home.

To be clear I was speaking of the NON-SE OT

 

[Father]

Re: Star Wars Episode VII

Maybe this is beyond the capability of Bluray but why can they have an option to add and omit scenes from the movie so you essentially can customize the movie to your liking?

I figured as interactive as Bluray was supposed to be you could do something like this. You can select the audio

How could would it be to have a disk with EVERY version and variation to the movie and pick "Han shoots first" or "Ewok song during the final celebration montage" or get rid of the Jabba's barge dance/song sequence?