Star Wars Snowspeeder question...

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  1. Ford W Maverick

    Ford W Maverick Well-Known Member

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    Most of the vehicles in Star Wars (Original Trilogy) were seen in more than one movie/environment, but I don't recall seeing the Snowspeeders anywhere but Hoth. I know they weren't designed specifically for Hoth because the Deck Officer says they had to be adapted to the cold. So am I missing something? Were they used anywhere else in film or novels?
     
  2. SSgt Burton

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    I'll start by saying I haven't read any of the novels, however my take on it is that it is a line to-

    -Explain why they didn't use Snowspeeders to go after Luke

    -Hint that Hoth is dangerously cold

    -And possibly give a sense that the speeders have been around a while, are old, used, beat up etc.


    Kevin
     
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  3. Ford W Maverick

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    Good points. I suppose it could be that they were designed for cold, just not THAT cold. Being beat-up is possible too, but when it comes to the Rebels wasn't pretty much EVERYTHING beat up?
     
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  4. yodaman

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    I'm no scientist but isn't the cold vacuum of space worse/colder than any planetary climate? To state a snowspeeder is "adapted to the cold" is interesting, seeing that regular starships are zooming through the cold dark reaches of outer space already. Were snowspeeders mainly land based vehicles or could they be used for space travel? Just a thought (and I know it's just a movie). ;)
     
  5. steveo

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    Well, it is called a "snow" speeder, and Hoth is the only environment that has snow, so that's why they are only seen on Hoth. The fact of them adapting them to the cold, is that most mechanical stuff will fault after reaching a certain degree.
     
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    The Speeders weren't ment to be used in Space, they were planetary vehicles. No reason to seal them for the vacume of space and not many places are as cold as hoth so why over engineer a speeder for those extremes.
     
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  7. Bootlegger137

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    Interesting points, and would explain alot (I particularly like the last point). However, they're SNOW Speeders. They really shouldn't need adapting, right? ;) :)

    Good points as well. However, when the Rebels escape Hoth, they use X-wings as fighter escorts for the transports...not Snow Speeders. Perhaps the lack of an R2 unit is a hinderance in interstellar travel in single or 2 man fighter craft?

    The Snow Speeder always struck me as combination of (in a sense) Luke's landspeeder and a military attack helicopter. That seems to be how they were used, to me, anyway.

    Can't wait to hear other takes on this! :thumbsup
     
  8. Brinn 71

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    Actually, Kenner named them SNOW speeders when they released the toy in 1980. No where in the movie do they say that. They are called "Speeders" only.

    My take on it, is that they were just speeders, or air speeders, or maybe even like Luke's landspeeder, so I always took it that they were adapted for the extreme cold of Hoth, as they were old, beat up, and used in much more normal conditions previous. I wonder if any survived the Hoth battle? I assume Wedge's did?

    I think yodaman makes a great point though. Why didn't they use X-Wings to look for Luke? Was it too bad outside? Were they afraid of getting identified by the Empire? Is this a 30 year old plot hole? :confused
     
  9. IndyBlues

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    Are they officially called snow speeders? I don't recall them saying that in the film, just "speeders".

    Maybe they DID have to change some things to make them adapt to cold weather. Also, it would be cool to see them used in other EU environments, since they've always been a favorite of mine.
    Mike
     
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  11. Brinn 71

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    Forgot to mention... I always wondered if the twin cannons and tow cables were added by the Rebels or not?
     
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  12. Larry Young

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    Used for space travel? YOU COULD SEE THROUGH THE SIDES! :lol
     
  13. Bootlegger137

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    Wow...now that I think about it, you're right.

    Yep. Interesting reading. Thanks for the link. :thumbsup
     
  14. Solo4114

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    The Wookieepedia article covers it, really. Civilian craft modified for combat use, used in multiple environments.


    In the films, though, we only ever saw them in ESB. Unless, of course, Lucas inserts them into some other sequence at a later date, which is certainly possible.
     
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  15. yodaman

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    Are you talking about just the canopy? If so, the Xwing has a similar design.
     
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  16. Larry Young

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    No, I was making a joke about the crappy mattes.
     
  17. Jannix Quinn

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    WTF are you going to tow with that cable anyway?
     
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  18. Treadwell

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    If you're looking for EU usage, in the Marvel comic, they could be seen (alongside earlier "snow"speeder designs) in the base the Rebels used in an issue or three just prior to ESB. It was on a forest planet. When it came to ESB, Marvel dovetailed into the movie plot and designs nicely.
     
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  19. SSgt Burton

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    If any did survive aside from Wedge's, I would assume they left all of them behind in order to high-tail it off Hoth.

    What kills me about that last scene on Hoth...

    The Rebels have been routed. They are frantically scurrying, running from the Imperial Walkers. Everyone is making their escape as the Empire closes in and overruns the base...

    And Luke nonchalantly asks R2 to get his X-Wing ready for takeoff as he strolls up. Somebody (was it Wedge? Or Hobbie?) casually wishes him good luck. These people are walking around as if it is moving day.

    Weren't they just getting their * kicked? Shouldn't they be in a little more of a hurry? It's such a contradiction to the previous battle sequence. :lol


    Kevin
     
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  20. Ford W Maverick

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    Ahh, I should have known to check Wookiepedia first! Good catch! I just asked because I always liked the ship design and the comment about adapting them to the cold. I think it would have been cool to see them on Endor or something, which, thanks to Lucas' constant computerized revisionism we may yet see...
     
  21. Treadwell

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    Yup, that was Wedge, and Denis Lawson went to Norway to be seen walking across the snow for about 3 seconds! :lol

    By the time he's talking, though, we're on Luke climbing into the X-Wing, which was shot against sky behind Elstree. :lol I guess they did bring an X-Wing nose, though, as seen in the previous shot.

    Notice Luke holding his arm as if it's hurt when he's walking? Another bit that escaped continuity before and after.

    Good thing the Empire didn't send any bombers down. "Hey, lookie at the X-Wing staging area!" BOOOM

    As for the transports: there is talk of getting Leia to the "last" transport. Han drags her out of the command center and she tells the staff to "get to your transports". WHAT transports?!
     
  22. Treadwell

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    After a quick glance via Google, it seems the issues I was thinking of took place after ESB. But still...snowspeeders without snow.
     
  23. binkleywalker

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    And Luke and Han can survive in the cold, but the Tauntaun, an animal from the ice planet doesn't make it? What?

    I know, the Tauntaun would usually be in a cave before night fall which brings the really cold weather and the rebels had amazing technology in their coats that kept them super warm. Goretex or something.

    I get it.

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  24. Larry Young

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    The tauntaun died of exhaustion, not exposure.
     
  25. Solo4114

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    When Luke is talking to the 2-1B medical droid, the droid says it'll take a while to evacuate the T-47s (the snowspeeders). Luke -- again, nonchalantly -- says "Well, forget the heavy equipment. There's plenty of time to get the smaller modules on board." (yes, I looked up the scene)

    So, I guess either they figured they could replace them, or they simply recognized that they weren't gonna be able to salvage everything.

    As for the overall "Well, that was fun. Off we go!" attitude at the evacuation, I've always looked at Hoth as the Rebellion's "Battle of France" and the evacuation itself as akin to the Dunkirk evacuation. Basically loading up everything they can, and then bugging out while they could. I guess you could argue that maybe they're far enough behind enemy lines, although that sort of calls into question the layout of everything at the base.
     
  26. Jack T Chance

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    Those Rebels DO love their Transparisteelâ„¢ plating, don't they? :lol
     
  27. Laspector

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    I agree with this statement (even though that one guy did say "your Tauntaun will freeze before you reach the first marker"). If Tauntauns are native to hoth (are they?) I would figure they could take the cold pretty well. I just always assumed that Han literally ran his tauntaun to death. The same thing applies to horses. If spurred on a horse will actually run until his lungs explode. Like what Rooster Cogburn did to Little Blackie in True Grit.

    As for the speeders I have a vague memory of reading somewhere that the speeders were only capable of flying only 50 feet or so off the ground. You never see one flying more than a little higher than the walkers...Hence called 'speeders' and not 'ships'..But that could be a false memory, I cannot confirm that.
     
  28. binkleywalker

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    Now I'm torn. I didn't even consider the exhaustion thing- good point, but the guy did say he would freeze before the first marker- so they both make sense.

    Maybe the spirit of Kenobi killed it when it ran through it. The fallen Jedi provided travel advice and a warm carcass.

    Brian
     
  29. SSgt Burton

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    Why is there any question about the tauntaun freezing to death when all the exposition is about how cold Hoth gets at night?

    "Sir the temperature is dropping too rapidly." "Your tauntaun will freeze..."

    Wasn't this also the reason for closing the shield doors? The base would become too cold if left open?



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  30. jlee562

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    Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Han utter a line about building a shelter? "Sorry about the smell kid, but this will keep you warm until I get the shelter built."

    No?
     
  31. Larry Young

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    Because Han and Luke don't.
     
  32. Purple Dagger

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    If the plan with the speeders was blasters vs. AT-AT, wouldn't an X-wing with missles or torpedos work better? X-wings don't have ion cannons but they do have something heavier then speeder blasters no? And didn't luke say something about harpoons?

    As for the tauntaun. Han ran him to hard AND the cold. They have the mount breathing heavy and mowning before it collapses to the ground...both play a factor I'd say.
     
  33. binkleywalker

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    Yeah, you even see him start to build it. It's just weird that an animal that lives on the planet doesn't survive but the 2 humans do.

    It would be like if Jar Jar got caught in a sandstorm on Tattoine and lived but a Bantha died.

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  34. Larry Young

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    Have you ever seen a Western where the hero rides hard to save his friend and the horse lives? :lol
     
  35. binkleywalker

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    Maybe it was just sleeping really heavy and Han actually killed it with the lightsaber. Didn't have enough time to really study the creature and its' night time habits and it paid the price.
     
  36. Ford W Maverick

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    Could be that cold will only kill them if they're exhausted maybe?
     
  37. wannab

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    Maybe they're for some sort of rebel redneck rodeo Wampa ropin' contest? YeeeHaww!


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  38. matrox75

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    :lol I fell off my chair laughing
     
  39. Solo4114

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    " 'E's not dead, 'e's resting! The Norwegian blue tauntaun prefers kippin' on 'is back." And, since they filmed in Norway, he probably WAS pining for the fjords.

    The harpoons were the magnetic things that allowed them to stick the tow cables to the walkers' legs. Luke says their armor's too strong for blasters, so you'll have to use harpoons and tow cables.


    Any of you guys ever go for a run in the cold? Breathing heavily in the cold really feels like it's ripping the hell out of your throat and chest. If Han pushed the tauntaun too hard, maybe it died of fluid in the lungs or something. It did seem to gurgle a lot.

    Yeah, he did. You see it the next morning when Zev finds them. The speeders fly by, Han waves to them, and he's standing near a tent-like structure.


    No, they closed the shield doors because Gen. Riekan yelled at them and said "SHUT THE DOOR! We aren't trying to heat the whole neighborhood!"
     
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  40. Treadwell

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    I believe the T-47s and the snowpeeders being one and the same was not the original intent, but the result of someone in the EU (perhaps Decipher or West End Games) misinterpreting the scene and sticking the name on a snowspeeder diagram or something...and it stuck. Why would Onebee have any interest or knowledge of the "motorpool" (so to speak)? His realm of responsibility is medical equipment, and that's what I think he was talking about. Plus, why would someone call a speeder "equipment", or infer that they are "modules"?
     
  41. Larry Young

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    The same reason someone measures time in units of distance? :lol
     
  42. Solo4114

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    Yeah, I don't disagree with you. But at this point, it's "canon." I'd bet it was the WEG guys who are responsible for that one. They apparently did a LOT to fill in the backstory. Although I suppose you could always go back and reread the ESB novel to see what they say there. But yeah, it doesn't make a ton of sense.

    Hey! George ALWAYS INTENDED that Han was bragging about how FAR he went in the Kessel Run! There was no mistake! THERE ARE NEVER MISTAKES!!! :behave

    Sorry. Got carried away there for a sec. Anyway, yeah. Parsecs, T-47s, and midichlorians, oh my.
     
  43. Contec

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    They could travel in space......One time a guy named Dax took on the whole empire....

    Dax takes on the empire - YouTube
     
  44. Clutch

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    X-Wings would travel too fast over the planet's surface to make a successful attack or search. ;)
     
  45. terryr

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    The concept started with them using the Head of a Y-Wing for the Speeder. Which would require adaption. So old bits of the script probably got left over.

    Notice that the canopy and 2 seats are very similar.
     
  46. jedi573

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    Well, to be fair, animals on Earth in their natural habitats die all the time from exposure.

    Animals in Africa try to stay cool and get out of the daytime heat. Winter animals like polar bears and foxes burrow to get out of the cold.

    So, yeah. I'd say it's not too unreasonable that the Tauntaun could still die from exposure to cold. I do agree that Han and Luke seemed to be doing okay, oddly enough. I need to get some of those winter jackets.

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  48. jedimaster

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    I can't believe I'm joining in this conversation but ... as mentioned before they were just known as speeders. Nowhere in the film were they ever refered to as "snow speeders". However, on the ILM production blueprints marked 1978 it clearly say's "starwars chapter II revised snowspeeder". So it was not Kenner or hasbro or whoever , who named it so.The same goes for the At-At and At-ST. They were just called "imperial Walkers".

    Bye.
     
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  49. Solo4114

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    Ah! Yes, I forgot that. THANKS! (y)thumbsup

    And I'm sure the shelter that Han built was heated just fine so they could survive the night. :cool Poor Tauntaun didn't make it that long, but at least it carried the shelter on its back.
     

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