Star Wars: questions you've always wanted answers for
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Riceball
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Still not the same thing. Let's use an elephant as an example, a massive animal with an average weight of around 7.5 tons, take that same elephant and put in on the moon it will no longer weigh 7.5 tons but will maintain the exact same mass as it had on Earth.
Vacformedhero
Sr Member
You said I cannot use ton as a measurement of mass , the definition is clear that I can
KrangPrime
Master Member
I love how this thread is now on page 25 and one of the first comments was 'Why can't we let this die with dignity and grace?'
guess the thread had ideas of it's own ;o).
guess the thread had ideas of it's own ;o).
Zombie_61
Master Member
Surely pulling or pushing a person so suddenly and with so much...uh, force...regardless of whether you're using The Force or your own two hands could result in injury, especially if Yoda threw them across the room and inadvertently into a wall. Besides, using The Force against a giant column that weighs who knows how much confirms for the audience that Yoda is indeed a badass Force user and Master Jedi.
That whole scene was ridiculous to me. Yoda had always struck me as the Miyamoto Musashi of the Jedi world. He no longer carried a lightsaber because he didn't need one to defeat you. I was so hoping it would go something like... after Dooku discovers his lightning is useless against Yoda, he says "this contest can only be decided by our skill with a lightsaber", and Yoda rolls his eyes and drops a building on him. If Dooku just had to come at him with his lightsaber, I wanted to see Yoda evade and block with no apparent effort and without moving from where he was standing, and occasionally reach out with his stick and smack Dooku across the shins, distracting him.
And then drop a building on him.
--Jonah
And then drop a building on him.
--Jonah
Dessa
Sr Member
So, since it was the only things Mom and I could agree on to watch while sewing today, we put on the Ewok movies, and I have some theories regarding them and RotJ.
First, regarding language. In Caravan of Courage, the Ewoks pick up a few words of Basic, and are nowhere near fluent. The words that are picked up a) are simple enough words to believe they could be picked up, and b) are often treated as just repeating as a parrot would, not necessarily understanding the meaning behind. In Battle for Endor, on the other hand, Wicket (and only Wicket) is suddenly fluent in Basic after only 6 months. I believe this is an error, which I'll explain later.
Secondly, regarding the Ewoks' reactions to meeting Leia and the others, and seeming to never have met humans before. This is apparently covered in the junior novelization of Return of the Jedi. The Ewoks meeting Cindel and her family were most likely their first encounter with humans. However, in Battle for Endor, they met Charal, who at least looked human (she was later retconned into being a Nightsister, but she still had a human appearance). According to Wookieepedia's article on Charal, the junior novelization of RotJ said that Wicket "remembered his previous encounters with Humans," and that he "shuddered in fear" at the memory of Charal. It was less that they were afraid and had never seen humans, but more that they had no way of knowing if they were good or evil, and were wary for that.
As it stands, Caravan of Courage can stand on its own as a Star Wars movie, with no real continuity problems (as per the above). The only real strangeness is the narration, which I'll chock up to it being a movie made for children, and with so much Ewokese in it, rather than subtitle most of the movie, they used narration. Battle for Endor, on the other hand, doesn't, mainly because of the language thing. According to the old EU, after the events of BfE, Cindel grew up to become a journalist. My theory is, is that while CoC is an out-of-universe movie, BfE is an in-universe movie, telling about Cindel's childhood (because she's apparently quite famous/well known/popular). Since it's a movie meant for children, they simply wrote in the script that Wicket could speak Basic, to avoid narration and/or subtitles.
First, regarding language. In Caravan of Courage, the Ewoks pick up a few words of Basic, and are nowhere near fluent. The words that are picked up a) are simple enough words to believe they could be picked up, and b) are often treated as just repeating as a parrot would, not necessarily understanding the meaning behind. In Battle for Endor, on the other hand, Wicket (and only Wicket) is suddenly fluent in Basic after only 6 months. I believe this is an error, which I'll explain later.
Secondly, regarding the Ewoks' reactions to meeting Leia and the others, and seeming to never have met humans before. This is apparently covered in the junior novelization of Return of the Jedi. The Ewoks meeting Cindel and her family were most likely their first encounter with humans. However, in Battle for Endor, they met Charal, who at least looked human (she was later retconned into being a Nightsister, but she still had a human appearance). According to Wookieepedia's article on Charal, the junior novelization of RotJ said that Wicket "remembered his previous encounters with Humans," and that he "shuddered in fear" at the memory of Charal. It was less that they were afraid and had never seen humans, but more that they had no way of knowing if they were good or evil, and were wary for that.
As it stands, Caravan of Courage can stand on its own as a Star Wars movie, with no real continuity problems (as per the above). The only real strangeness is the narration, which I'll chock up to it being a movie made for children, and with so much Ewokese in it, rather than subtitle most of the movie, they used narration. Battle for Endor, on the other hand, doesn't, mainly because of the language thing. According to the old EU, after the events of BfE, Cindel grew up to become a journalist. My theory is, is that while CoC is an out-of-universe movie, BfE is an in-universe movie, telling about Cindel's childhood (because she's apparently quite famous/well known/popular). Since it's a movie meant for children, they simply wrote in the script that Wicket could speak Basic, to avoid narration and/or subtitles.
So in ANH the Death Star destroys Alderaan, right?
Then Obi Wan feels a disturbance in the force as if "millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced", right?
That beam blows up the world in a split second. How the heck was there time for anybody to actually cry out in terror? There wasn't even enough time for anyone to even think, "WTF".
Then Obi Wan feels a disturbance in the force as if "millions of voices suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced", right?
That beam blows up the world in a split second. How the heck was there time for anybody to actually cry out in terror? There wasn't even enough time for anyone to even think, "WTF".
he felt their souls crying in tears as they made crossed over and became one with the force :wacko
Zombie_61
Master Member
We like to throw phrases around like, "He/She/They never saw it coming," when an explosion, or building collapse, or whatever, kills someone with little or no warning because it makes us feel better about the way they died. But we don't really know what could possibly go through someone's mind in those final moments; it's possible that there is indeed a nanosecond or two of terror, especially on such a grand scale when millions or even billions are killed. And Obi-Wan isn't actually hearing the inhabitants of Alderaan cry out at the same time, he's expressing his interpretation of what he sensed in that moment through The Force; his interpretation just happened to be very accurate.
I thought about that but "suddenly silenced" sounds like actual demise. If it was a natural part of assimilation into the force I would think he'd just say "millions of souls cried out in terror before they became one with the force" or something like that.
I would think he'd more likely say something like, "millions of souls cried out in pain/suffering". "Terror" is the anticipation of malice which suggests there was some actual advance understanding prior to death. It's an actual cognitive interpretation of a sensory stimulus. The split second grants, at best, a perception of adversity - but the actual understanding of terror is a higher brain function, no? I don't think Abraham Lincoln's soul had a chance to feel terror before he was killed because the shot was completely unexpected.
It comes across more that the line was written before they thought of how the effect was going to be portrayed on the screen
Just to be clear, it doesn't ruin the film for me at all. It's just something that occurred to me years ago.
Another possible explanation is that the Empire, just minutes before, broadcast to Alderaan that their planet would have the "privilege" of being the first world destroyed by the Death Star.
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Riceball
Master Member
That, along with the fact that the shot didn't kill him outright, he died much later, probably from blood loss, shock, and possibly infection.
I guess a better example might have been JFK.
Riceball
Master Member
Yeah, JFK probably would have been a better example, I'm fairly certain that he died instantly (or nearly so) from the shot to his head.
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KrangPrime
Master Member
not really a question so much as an observation..
Do you think the Episode 3 soundtrack end credits scene was a little ....dis jointed? the repeated a few of the main tracks and I think that's the first time I've ever heard an end credit sequence do that.
I personally would have loved to have had a few more remixes, like we did at the begining of the movie with the Jedi theme remixed into a battle charge.
It would have been a bit more fun if they had dark and light battling it out musically, with light winning out in the end...
Do you think the Episode 3 soundtrack end credits scene was a little ....dis jointed? the repeated a few of the main tracks and I think that's the first time I've ever heard an end credit sequence do that.
I personally would have loved to have had a few more remixes, like we did at the begining of the movie with the Jedi theme remixed into a battle charge.
It would have been a bit more fun if they had dark and light battling it out musically, with light winning out in the end...
KrangPrime
Master Member
without coming off even dumber than normal....I'm assuming it's a young frankenstein ref. I've never seen that movie... you may groan now if I still don't geti t ;o)
- don't mind me. what's left of my brain cells are running on autopilot.they don't do a whole lot of seeing thinking ;o).
- don't mind me. what's left of my brain cells are running on autopilot.they don't do a whole lot of seeing thinking ;o).
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binkleywalker
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Well, he thought it was the very last soundtrack, so I think he was turning it into a montage of the greatest hits from all 6 films. A final closing piece. Little did he know....
And it was a poorly done medley.
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Well, he thought it was the very last soundtrack, so I think he was turning it into a montage of the greatest hits from all 6 films. A final closing piece. Little did he know....
And it was a poorly done medley.
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