Ugh, I know CW is sorta-canon, but that was absolutely ridiculous, and I sure hope that event is never confirmed in film canon.
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Ugh, I know CW is sorta-canon, but that was absolutely ridiculous, and I sure hope that event is never confirmed in film canon.
Son of Skywalker
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^^^This. I thought the cyborg Maul story was interesting as a comic book...but beyond absurd when put in the Clone Wars canon.
It's not the greatest of screen shots but here's Obi-Wan wearing his saber after the duel with Maul. He definitely got his lightsaber back and (as someone mentioned before) probably just decided to polish it up. He did go from padawan to Jedi at the end of TPM after all.
It's not the greatest of screen shots but here's Obi-Wan wearing his saber after the duel with Maul. He definitely got his lightsaber back and (as someone mentioned before) probably just decided to polish it up. He did go from padawan to Jedi at the end of TPM after all.
astroboy
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The clone wars is absolute canon.Ugh, I know CW is sorta-canon, but that was absolutely ridiculous, and I sure hope that event is never confirmed in film canon.
BTW, in a galaxy where force ghost exist and sith who can "cheat death", why is it so hard to believe that maul could use the dark side of the force to keep his body barely alive in a trash heap?
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The Prequels messing with the previously-established timeline (Anakin being older, Clone Wars being earlier, descent to Empire taking longer than part of one movie, and Imperial reach only now being felt in the Outer Rim in ANH, etc.), utterly shifting the focus from Obi-Wan onto a supporting character, and spoiling all the OT's reveals has gotten me somewhat inured to "things that are canon that I wish weren't". So Maul surviving was more like gas pain for me than existential rage. Ditto the Mortis arc, the complete jettisoning of Ventress' backstory because Katie couldn't do basic research, the complete jettisoning of Maul's backstory because yadda-yadda, the complete dumbing-down of the Nightsisters because you-get-the-idea, and not to mention the introduction of a character named Savage Opress (never mind the damn pronunciation)...
For all that there were good moments in the Prequels, and good episodes and arcs and moments in Clone Wars, overall I've had to get far too used to far too sub-par writing over the last fifteen years. I'm not heaping blinkered praise on the EU, there, either, I should mention. A whole lot of dropped balls there, too (despite a whole lot of good-to-excellent content, as well).
But it is canon, and thus what all future canon content will have to look to to not contradict.
--Jonah
For all that there were good moments in the Prequels, and good episodes and arcs and moments in Clone Wars, overall I've had to get far too used to far too sub-par writing over the last fifteen years. I'm not heaping blinkered praise on the EU, there, either, I should mention. A whole lot of dropped balls there, too (despite a whole lot of good-to-excellent content, as well).
But it is canon, and thus what all future canon content will have to look to to not contradict.
--Jonah
A lot of that was fan assumption. There was never anything official that says Anakin was older or when the Clone War started. The Empire did take longer than one movie. The Empire wasn't even beginning to have real control until ANH. Up to then they still needed the Senate. So that was 20 years or so. All we saw in ROTS was the first step.
I still haven't seen some of those Netflix TCW episodes, but someone did post "Darth Bane" and it was disappointing. They totally ignored every description and depiction and went with some Samurai looking character. And while none of the Darth Bane stuff is canon other than that, his actual look was way more cool.
I still haven't seen some of those Netflix TCW episodes, but someone did post "Darth Bane" and it was disappointing. They totally ignored every description and depiction and went with some Samurai looking character. And while none of the Darth Bane stuff is canon other than that, his actual look was way more cool.
Zombie_61
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But you're assuming Maul's anatomy is similar to that of humans. For all we know Dathomirians are nothing but excess fat below the chest, and Obi-Wan actually did him a favor by getting rid of it.Because there's cheating and then there's cheating. He was bisected through the abdomen. He would've needed stronger Force powers than have ever been shown possible elsewhere.
(and the spider thing was goofy
Much to the frustration of Mrs. Maul.
sbaxter
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I presume that if you try to fly around/above/below them, they will see you coming and move to intercept.
Good question. I think I recall some of the preproduction sketches showing another smaller gun at the top rear. Also, they do have that rotating gun on the side of the head that would give some aft coverage.
I never understood why this bothered people. Astromechs, to my mind, are like Swiss Army knives built from LEGO pieces. They would have some optional attachments. Artoo used the thrusters in the prequels because he had them. For some reason, they had been removed and replaced with some other component by the time of ANH.
Not sure, but some things come to mind in general regarding the Force and the way the Jedi use it. They show several abilities in the prequels that one might wonder why they don't use much more often -- I'm thinking especially of the "Force dash" we see Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan use to get away from the droidekas in TPM. Why don't they use that in duels, or at least far more often? I presume that there must be a limitation, partly dependent on their skill and experience. I guess the Force dash is too tiring to use for extended periods, or they'd all run around like the Flash much more often. Yoda is about as strong as a Jedi gets because he is so old and experienced, which is why he can duel the way he does. Some think he was faking his slow, limping gait given his dueling style. I think his limitations were real, and he gets around it in a duel because he is mostly using the Force to throw himself hither and yon, the way others use it to throw inanimate objects.
Besides, perhaps Luke threw the rock normally, but used the Force to make sure it hit his target. Maybe that was easier than manipulating the switch directly.
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PaulWrightyThen
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R2'S beeps are 100% different in ROTJ. I also don't think as good. I don't think I've ever heard anyone else mention it.
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PaulWrightyThen
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Ewok movies? Canon. Oh my.
PaulWrightyThen
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Really? Didn't know that. I used to love them as a kid.
Wolfsburg
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Actually reading a little more about it, apparently only the old canon stated these movies took place 3 years ABY but I think that may be up in the air now. Apparently the crew were under the impression the movies took place 150 years later but that was ditched. Also, they may not be canon either, which surprises me a bit, considering they are a LFL product and GL was involved. Only the 6 episodes, TCW, and all content after 2014 are canon so technically that doesn't include these movies.
glunark
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But it does set an interesting precedence.
Bring back Mace Windu!
As for the Ewok movies... For me they're in the category of "canon until they're not" If Hutts and Rodians can speak Basic, why not Ewoks? If you want to say it's a convenience so you don't have to mess with invented languages and subtitles, that's fine, too. But as for Cindel being Phasma? No. Age is wrong. Build is wrong. Temperament is wrong... And besides, I don't want to recast her. I would be perfectly fine with Aubree Miller showing up as part of the Resistance, though...
The cartoons, though, are right out. Too many divergences from the canon material in both. Especially Droids. Unless you want to presume that C-3PO and R2-D2 randomly spent a few years wandering around the Rim and getting bought by backstreet racers before and after being part of the Tantive IV's droid pool.
As for timeline stuff...
George had plotted out the broad strokes in the early '70s. The chunk of the story labeled "The Adventures of Obi-Wan Kenobi". We got glimpses from interviews, partial transcriptions, and the odd photo. The problem, for the trilogy approach, was that too many events were too far apart. Per George's original breakdown, Palpatine declaring the Empire and the Jedi purge would have been in two different films, for instance. And the declaration of Empire was only partway through the Clone Wars, the last of which was only maybe a decade earlier (i.e., after the twins were born and aware). There was enough floating around out there in the late '80s and early '90s for Bill Slavicsek to put together a general timeline for his Guide to the Star Wars Universe that wasn't contradicted until everything got changed for the Prequels. We know George was going by his memory, and not really revisiting anything in any depth to make sure his recollection was correct -- that's how "a thousand generations" became "a thousand years". Very different those two things.
So while there wasn't anything explicitly in the EU, since George had placed the Prequel era off-limits, that was the info people were working from for what they did write.
--Jonah
As for the Ewok movies... For me they're in the category of "canon until they're not" If Hutts and Rodians can speak Basic, why not Ewoks? If you want to say it's a convenience so you don't have to mess with invented languages and subtitles, that's fine, too. But as for Cindel being Phasma? No. Age is wrong. Build is wrong. Temperament is wrong... And besides, I don't want to recast her. I would be perfectly fine with Aubree Miller showing up as part of the Resistance, though...
The cartoons, though, are right out. Too many divergences from the canon material in both. Especially Droids. Unless you want to presume that C-3PO and R2-D2 randomly spent a few years wandering around the Rim and getting bought by backstreet racers before and after being part of the Tantive IV's droid pool.
As for timeline stuff...
George had plotted out the broad strokes in the early '70s. The chunk of the story labeled "The Adventures of Obi-Wan Kenobi". We got glimpses from interviews, partial transcriptions, and the odd photo. The problem, for the trilogy approach, was that too many events were too far apart. Per George's original breakdown, Palpatine declaring the Empire and the Jedi purge would have been in two different films, for instance. And the declaration of Empire was only partway through the Clone Wars, the last of which was only maybe a decade earlier (i.e., after the twins were born and aware). There was enough floating around out there in the late '80s and early '90s for Bill Slavicsek to put together a general timeline for his Guide to the Star Wars Universe that wasn't contradicted until everything got changed for the Prequels. We know George was going by his memory, and not really revisiting anything in any depth to make sure his recollection was correct -- that's how "a thousand generations" became "a thousand years". Very different those two things.
So while there wasn't anything explicitly in the EU, since George had placed the Prequel era off-limits, that was the info people were working from for what they did write.
--Jonah
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