Star Trek: TOS
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Yeah the half vulcan thing seemed odd, but it says above no humans should visit, so pointing out he is half human seems acceptable.
So what does that mean, Spock can visit Talos IV but the transporter has to beam down only half his body? Spock can only visit Talos IV in the off season? Spock can visit Talos IV as long as he doesn't tell anybody? Whaaat? :lol
Get ahold of this Bob Comsul, Commander Starfleet guy. I have some questions I'd like to ask him.
Actually, the document doesn't point out that he's half human; it just points out that he's half Vulcan. :lol
I always thought it was odd when, in "The Enemy Within," Spock tells McCoy, "Being split into two halves is no theory with me, doctor. I have a human half, you see, as well as an alien half...."
In ST:TOS, it's made clear that Spock generally prefers to think of himself as Vulcan rather than human...
Kirk: Have I ever mentioned you play a very irritating game of chess, Mr Spock?
Spock: Irritating? Ah yes... one of your Earth emotions.
Where No Man has Gone Before
Bailey: I happen to have a human thing called an adrenaline.
Spock: That sounds most inconvenient. Have you considered having it removed?
The Corbomite Manoeuver
Kirk: At times you seem quite human.
Spock: Captain, I don't think that insults are within your prerogative as my commanding officer.
City on the Edge of Forever
Kirk: Well, there it is... war. We didn't want it, but we've got it.
Spock: It is curious how often you humans manage to obtain that which you do not want.
Errand of Mercy
... to quote just a few instances.Spock: Irritating? Ah yes... one of your Earth emotions.
Where No Man has Gone Before
Bailey: I happen to have a human thing called an adrenaline.
Spock: That sounds most inconvenient. Have you considered having it removed?
The Corbomite Manoeuver
Kirk: At times you seem quite human.
Spock: Captain, I don't think that insults are within your prerogative as my commanding officer.
City on the Edge of Forever
Kirk: Well, there it is... war. We didn't want it, but we've got it.
Spock: It is curious how often you humans manage to obtain that which you do not want.
Errand of Mercy
If Spock considers himself to be half "alien," it seems as if that half would be the human half. But maybe he was just trying to make things simpler for Bones, who is, after all, just a simple country doctor.
I've also always thought it was odd when, in "Court Martial," Spock, on the witness stand and under oath, is asked, "You know a great deal about computers, don't you?" and he replies, "I know all about them." Apart from it being a peculiar thing for the obsessively precise half-Vulcan science officer to say, the computer doesn't object to this response as non-factual? It concedes that Spock knows everything there is to know about computers? :eek
Don't get me started! :lol
Sorry for going so far off-topic!
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Um.... :confused
You're not supposed to be able to read it on screen!
I dunno tho, if you go to "visit" somewhere and your plane CRASHES, can you be said to have "visited" there if you survive the crash? :lol
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It would be splitting hairs to try to claim vina's ship (the "S.S. Columbia") was NOT an Earth ship.
- Spock says "Their call letters check with a survey expedition. S.S. Columbia disappeared in that region approximately 18 years ago." That's a very Earth-sounding name. Also Spock does not mention anything about the ship being of alien origin.
- Then there's the fact that the survivors claim to be from the "American Continent lnstitute", they ask "is Earth all right?", and Tyler boasts "you won't believe how fast you'll get back."
This is a great deal of circumstantial evidence pointing to the Columbia being an Earth ship. Also in the first bunch of episodes of the series, the Enterprise was an "Earch ship" (operated by the United Earth Space Probe Agency")... there was no interplanetary Federation. Spock was the one alien in the otherwise human crew. So unless "Columbia" was meant to be a Vulcan ship, it's hard to see how it would NOT be an "Earth" ship.
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- Spock says "Their call letters check with a survey expedition. S.S. Columbia disappeared in that region approximately 18 years ago." That's a very Earth-sounding name. Also Spock does not mention anything about the ship being of alien origin.
- Then there's the fact that the survivors claim to be from the "American Continent lnstitute", they ask "is Earth all right?", and Tyler boasts "you won't believe how fast you'll get back."
This is a great deal of circumstantial evidence pointing to the Columbia being an Earth ship. Also in the first bunch of episodes of the series, the Enterprise was an "Earch ship" (operated by the United Earth Space Probe Agency")... there was no interplanetary Federation. Spock was the one alien in the otherwise human crew. So unless "Columbia" was meant to be a Vulcan ship, it's hard to see how it would NOT be an "Earth" ship.
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The matching call letters is a good clue, but really not definitive, as you yourself point out by raising the possibility that the Columbia was a Vulcan ship.
The "survivors" were merely illusions. We can't rely on anything they say.
Of course, the likelihood is that Vena's was (meant to be) an Earthship. But there's nothing in the episode the positively confirms this, at least not that I can find.
Hairs are there to be split.
The "survivors" were merely illusions. We can't rely on anything they say.
Of course, the likelihood is that Vena's was (meant to be) an Earthship. But there's nothing in the episode the positively confirms this, at least not that I can find.
Hairs are there to be split.
"Hairs are there to be split."
Have you looked at my avatar lately? :lol
Well, the point is not what the illusory "survivors" claim, but the fact that the Enterprise crew does not dispute it. Spock has obviously read the files on the Columbia, Pike reports back to Number One on the ship... and never at any point does anybody question anything the survivors have said.
As I say, "circumstantial"... but I bet if you go back and read the shooting script, or "The Making of Star Trek" (Whitfield and Roddenberry, 1968), you will definitely come to understand that Columbia was an Earth vessel.
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Have you looked at my avatar lately? :lol
Well, the point is not what the illusory "survivors" claim, but the fact that the Enterprise crew does not dispute it. Spock has obviously read the files on the Columbia, Pike reports back to Number One on the ship... and never at any point does anybody question anything the survivors have said.
As I say, "circumstantial"... but I bet if you go back and read the shooting script, or "The Making of Star Trek" (Whitfield and Roddenberry, 1968), you will definitely come to understand that Columbia was an Earth vessel.
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