Star Trek TOS Tri-Viewer is DONE!!

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  1. MattMunson

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    Hey gang! I've been asked to build one of these:

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    When I started doing my research, I realized something important: I do not know what this thing is called!!! lol. If it was the year 2012, I would call it a "Desktop Monitor" or something like that, but I do not find much information about it when I search under those terms.

    So, does anyone know off the top of their heads what this contraption was referred to within the show??

    Second, if anyone has any info, drawings, measurements, or anything like that about it, please point me in the right direction.

    I will of course be blogging the entire build up at the usual location, so keep an eye open toward here:

    mattmunson.blogspot.com
     
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  2. phase pistol

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    Re: Star Trek TOS Assistance and Insight Needed.

    Probably "briefing room tri-viewer" is the most descriptive - although I don't recall it being called anything in particular, either!

    Mostly you want to differentiate it from the standard "desk monitor" used elsewhere on the ship.
     
  3. phez

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    Well it is called "Tri-Screen" in the Star Trek Sketchbook but I am pretty sure it was just "The view Screen" or "Viewer" in most of the episodes

    Edited, by the time I was back from the book shelf Phase Pistol had it covered. :lol.
     
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  4. phase pistol

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    Re: Star Trek TOS Assistance and Insight Needed.

    Proximity of the standard desk comm in this shot might provide scale reference. Note the shininess of the white screen when switched off (Shatner's arms visible in reflection)

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  5. MattMunson

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    Phase pistol, you beat me to it. I was hoping to scale it off one of those. Awesome. Anyone have dims on the com?

    Great screen grab, by the way. thank you kindly.
     
  6. phase pistol

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    "Assignment Earth" HD screengrab courtesy of Trekcore's almighty screengrab archive. :D

    My own pic of a screenused TOS desk comm with Moleskine notebook, to provide scale (Greg Jein collection, Worldcon LA 2006):

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  7. phase pistol

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    Re: Star Trek TOS Assistance and Insight Needed.

    The standard diagram of the TOS soundstage MIGHT give you some insight into the dimensions of that coffin-shaped briefing room table... assuming that the set diagram is scaled accurately.

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  8. phase pistol

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    Whatever you do, don't reference Star Trek Enterprise's re-creation of the briefing room monitor in "In a Mirror Darkly"... that thing is awful. :lol

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  9. Roger Ramjet

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    Karl, anyone tell you that you are a WEALTH of Trek Knowledge? If not I'm saying it, ok?
     
  10. deck5

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    Just to start the discussion -- based on the size of the data card & switches, I'm getting an outer size for the side of the viewer of 16" wide, and 9" tall. The actual screen, including its frame is 10.75" wide by 7" tall. The frame around the screen is 1/2" wide, all around.
     
  11. MattMunson

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    Awesome stuff, everyone! Thanks. Good stuff so far. I'm probably going to throw together a quick mock up out of foam core just to make sure I've got dimensions right. I'll wager that the thicknesses are pretty standard, looks like it might be half inch stock.

    Please keep details and insight coming if you've got it. Great stuff so far! thank you all!
     
  12. phase pistol

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    Unusual square-on views of the tri-screen in "Mudd's Women"

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    Blast that tin-plated pot! :angry

    k
     
  13. MattMunson

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    Here's my first drawing of the face. I think the viewscreen is bigger than suggested in deck5's dimension. I like the overall width and height, and used those. They look really good. Here's what I've got so far. I used 1/2" as my measurement for the bottom and top lips of the box, and also as the width of the view screen surround.

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    I will be making all of these drawings available as a PDF once I'm done, seeing as how this is turning out to be such a collaborative process :)
     
  14. MattMunson

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    Interesting pics Karl. What I'm having trouble deciding is if the bottom and top lip are angled. I'll put together some sample drawings to show what I'm talking about.
     
  15. MattMunson

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    check this out:
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    If you look at the first pic I posted, the bottom lip appears flat. Or should I say, the surface between the outer edge and the bottom border of the viewscreen appears horizontal to the table. I assumed it was the same for the top.

    But seeing the two Mudd caps it gets confusing. Perhaps the bottom lip is flat, but the top lip is angled. One of the caps makes it look like both the top and bottom are angled.

    thoughts??
     
  16. MattMunson

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    For reference, the thing I've highlighted in red is the part I'm debating about whether it's angled or not. And the part above it.

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  17. MattMunson

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    I think it's like this:

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  18. phase pistol

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    Something like this i think

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  19. LepcisMagna

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    That... is a surprisingly difficult question to answer. I found every photo I could of the monitor, and I'm pretty sure it is just the shadows in the shots in "Mudd's Women" that make it look angled. The best stuff I could find was at Ex Astris Scientia. I wasn't sure until I rewatched The Corbomite Maneuver, but in that episode the monitor lip looked pretty flat. The bottom one definitely is - the top one is much more difficult to figure out, since that's where shadows always fall. It doesn't help that it only appears about ten times onscreen and that nobody seems to know where they went after the show.
     
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  20. BlobVanDam

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    Based on that front-on pic of Mudd's file, it definitely looks like a sloped top lip and flat lower lip to me.
    With that slightly above camera angle, you wouldn't see the upper lip if it was flat, so that's definitely sloped. And comparing the angle/height of the top/bottom lip, they're definitely not the same. The bottom lip has to be either flat, or a much flatter angle at the very least.
     
  21. BAK55

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    Heh. We've used one of those for the last 6 years in our party room during Convergence.

    The cool thing is, the screens work. They're computer monitors displaying images during our open hours at the con.

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  22. MattMunson

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    Bak55, that is great! I love it!

    Karl, your top down view is exactly as I had envisioned it. I think the only thing I wasn't totally convinced of is if those three slats around the outer edge were flat pieces, or wedges. I believe them to be flat, like in your drawing.

    I think what I will do for my build is make the bottom lip flat, and the top lip angled. The first pic I posted is very compelling evidence to suggest it's flat. The close up of mudds screen COULD be the result of a lens distortion, or just the angle. It's really hard to say. Making the bottom lip flat will certainly make construction a lot easier.

    Thanks for all the help so far folks.

    If someone has some REALLY striking evidence to counter what I've concluded so far, please let me know.
     
  23. MattMunson

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    Ok, wait a sec. Take a look at this:

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    It looks like the screen on the left has a flat lip with a bottom rim, but the screen on the right has a VERY angled lower lip and a much thinner (or non existent) bottom rim.

    INTERESTING. Maybe not all sides of the screen were built equal. Perhaps only one side was meant to display a graphic, and was therefore built differently. This would explain the discrepancy between the first pic I posted (which clearly shows a flat lip) and the close ups of the mudd screens, which show an angled lip.

    thoughts?
     
  24. MattMunson

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    Bah, I take it back. I think it's just a lighting trick. I don't think the right side is any different. Claim retracted :)
     
  25. MattMunson

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    Lots of progress on this project lately, and some more questions.

    Here's the basic body shapes I've cut out:
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    I'm extremely pleased with the overall shapes and dimensions. Big thanks to all the folks in this thread who helped out.

    This is my second cardboard prototype of the top/pyramid. I still think it's a little too tall, coming in at 1.5". I believe 1" is probably correct. Any thoughts??

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  26. MattMunson

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    Using one of the reference pics in this thread, I updated my droring to include the base. I slapped on the pyramid with a 1" height to see how it all fit together, and I think it looks good. Feedback DEFINITELY welcome at this point.

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  27. MattMunson

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    D5, I used some of these measurements to make my drawing, but NOW realize I may have misinterpreted them.

    when you say 9" tall, do you mean from the table to the top of the pyramid, or did you mean the main body of the thing? (ie, not including the base and pyramid?
     
  28. deck5

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    Just talking about the main body of the thing. I didn't run any dimensions for the stand.
     
  29. MattMunson

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    Ok, that jibes with what I've got cooking right now :)

    I've got an update on my blog showing how I put together the pyramid. I tried to do something complicated, and it didn't work. Went back to basics!

    The Project Workbench: TOS Tri-Viewer Pyramid and Body
     
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    I've completed a second prototype for the base. I think this one is a lot closer.

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  32. MattMunson

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    Current state. Main body assembled, glue drying.

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    Matt,

    I always enjoy your work and the progress reports, it's looking good so far! Looking forward to seeing it finished.
     
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    Right now I am trapped in the infinite loop of sand/putty/primer/repeat.

    The base is just about done, but the main box is just started. Still lots of icky finishing work to do, but I'm still super happy with the overall shape. Could be worse, I suppose.
     
  37. Seanpnichols

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    Great work. Looks like the hadest part may have been figuring out the exact dimensions.
     
  38. MattMunson

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    Thanks Sean! I think the dimensions are pretty close, at least visibly. I think the casual observer would be hard pressed to point out any significant differences.

    More work has been done today. Another round of putty/sand/primer on the base, and I've also cut and glued in the side slats on the main viewer. Construction is now complete. It's just a matter of finishing up the surfaces, and making styrene frames for the screens.

    AND, for reference, this is the project I'm making this for:

    http://www.startrekcontinues.com/
     
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    Nice! Are you planning to put some sort of actual viewer, cheap pc tablet or dvd player in it?
     
  41. MattMunson

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    Now that the cat is out of the bag, I can give a few more details. I'm producing this piece for the web series "Star Trek Continues" which stars a couple members of the RPF, Vic Mignogna and Grant Imahara. I'm not including any working screens on this piece as they would simply comp that stuff in during post-production.

    I just made a blog post about the status, though it's a little out of date. Here's the most recent picture:

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    It's all painted, and you can see that I installed the bevel under the upper ledge. That was the last piece of building that needed to be done. What this picture does not show is the attached base.

    As soon as I get a pic of the finished piece, I will post it.

    Huge thanks to everyone in this thread who contributed. I appreciate your support!
     
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    I fell behind on blogging, but just got back on my feet. The tri-viewer is DONE, and ready for delivery to the set of Star Trek Continues. Here's the final piece, with a graphic I made quickly slid into place, just to show how cool it is :D

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    For some more detail, and a write up of how I made the blue border, here's the most recent blog post:

    The Project Workbench: Star Trek TOS Tri-Viewer Is Finished
     
  44. Victor Steerup

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    Well, I finished my working tri-viewer for use at the computer club I belong to. Everyone had to stretch their neck to see a single monitor at the end of the table. Now this can sit in the middle of the table. Three 15" 4:3 vga monitors, a 3-way vga splitter, one monitor has sound. Yeah, I know, it is not an exact scale model of the ST-TOS tri-viewer. 15" screens instead of 9". [​IMG] I used elements of the one in Enterprise, the pedestal and the floating cover on top, so it is an "interim" model between the two shows. And the best I could do with my modest woodworking skills. Thanks to Matt Munson. Looked up "Tri Viewer" on the 'net, found his blog, and inspiration to do this project.
     
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