Star Trek: Picard

DavidS said:
Ok let’s take a pause on the hate and just talk about how great it was to see Picard, Riker and Troi again. Those were great moments
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And I think that's part of the problem with the show. TNG worked because it was an ensemble, and you had people playing off of each other. As great a character as Picard or Data is, I'm not sure they can carry a show all by themselves, especially with the new characters they've created. As soon as Riker and Troi show up, the show just gets better.
 
I do admit I got a bit choked up when I saw the three of them together again. But then Troi described their son's illness, which is a silicon-based disease that required positron to cure?? What was he? An android/horta hybrid?
 
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DavidS said:
Ok let’s take a pause on the hate and just talk about how great it was to see Picard, Riker and Troi again. Those were great moments
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It isn't necessarily hate, not in everyone's case, it is more frustration at how hugely the new regime have mishandled the whole Star Trek universe.
I stopped watching Picard a while ago because I couldn't bear to see these beloved characters become so needlessly twisted and distorted into such dour, broken shadows of their former selves.
I haven't and wont watch Troi and Riker share the same fate as the once great Jean Luc Picard and Seven of Nine.

The Picard show is the character assasination of legends who helped guide me in my formative years. It also takes a VERY bleak view of the Star Trek universe which is wrong and rips the core out of the fundamental principles of what Star Trek is.
 
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I once wrote a story outline which took place post-Nemesis where Picard had been appointed Ambassador to the "New Worlds" and in the process, transfer command of the Enterprise-E to Admiral Janeway. Her Voyager senior staff would have followed her to the Enterprise, with the only familiar face left being B4, who is now Data. During the transfer ceremony, Picard tells Janeway he's looking forward to a particular planet in the New Worlds where archaeologists have discovered ruins of an ancient space-faring civilization. Ancient myths called the planet "Z'hadum".

Meanwhile, on another part of the galaxy, a Vulcan science vessel comes across a Borg sphere that had been ravaged by an unknown protagonist, when suddenly they detect a massive spider-like ship approaching their coordinates...
 
kalkamel said:
I once wrote a story outline which took place post-Nemesis where Picard had been appointed Ambassador to the "New Worlds" and in the process, transfer command of the Enterprise-E to Admiral Janeway. Her Voyager senior staff would have followed her to the Enterprise, with the only familiar face left being B4, who is now Data. During the transfer ceremony, Picard tells Janeway he's looking forward to a particular planet in the New Worlds where archaeologists have discovered ruins of an ancient space-faring civilization. Ancient myths called the planet "Z'hadum".

Meanwhile, on another part of the galaxy, a Vulcan science vessel comes across a Borg sphere that had been ravaged by an unknown protagonist, when suddenly they detect a massive spider-like ship approaching their coordinates...
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Substitute the Spider race for the Vulcan ship finding another of Species 8472's training habitats and I'm in.
 
renaissance_man said:
It isn't necessarily hate, not in everyone's case, it is more frustration at how hugely the new regime have mishandled the whole Star Trek universe.
I stopped watching Picard a while ago because I couldn't bear to see these beloved characters become so needlessly twisted and distorted into such dour, broken shadows of their former selves.
I haven't and wont watch Troi and Riker share the same fate as the once great Jean Luc Picard and Seven of Nine.

The Picard show is the character assasination of legends who helped guide me in my formative years. It also takes a VERY bleak view of the Star Trek universe which is wrong and rips the core out of the fundamental principles of what Star Trek is.
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couldnt have said it better myself, if the right people were at the helm then it would have been praising a masterpiece,
the way i see it, its like taking the mona lisa and painting a crude caricature on it
 
I don't think I'm going to bother with this, however I have been inspired to revisit TNG.
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kalkamel said:
I do admit I got a bit choked up when I saw the three of them together again. But then Troi described their son's illness, which is a silicon-based disease that required positron to cure?? What was he? An android/horta hybrid?
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Dr McCoy has a bucket and a Trowel that can cure that
 
Fett_Ish said:
I like the show a lot. Let me tell you, one of the biggest problems I had with Kirk and crew was the never changing, despite agin......
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That is, definitely, one of my big criticisms of the films. For TMP, Gene promoted Kirk to Admiral (technically, Rear Admiral Lower Half, forgetting he'd established Commodores during TOS), but rather than leave Decker in command of the ship while he commanded the mission, he was made Captain again, just like in TOS. In TWOK, Sulu was supposed to have just gotten what would be revealed to be the Excelsior, but Bill didn't want another Captain in the "second-stringers" (Nimoy was okay, he was a close friend), so he kept blowing the takes where that dialogue was and they ended up having to drop that shot. When there was a chance they might all move on to the Excelsior, it ended up being just a replica of the Enterprise again. Sulu finally got his own ship on their last outing as an ensemble, when it almost didn't matter any more.

We should've seen the majority of the senior staff moving off the Enterprise and on to other assignments over the course of the films. They kept setting it up, but then not paying it off. According to the ancillary material, Uhura ended up head of Starfleet Intelligence, Hikaru Sulu also made it to the Admiralty, Saavik commanded the Enterprise-B for a while after Harriman and Demora Sulu before retiring and marrying Ambassador Spock. But that's the novels. We should've seen that on the screens big and small.
 
As for the aging and changing ST6 is the one that sticks out the most. Kirk making out with Iman and saving the President-‘Kirk.Enterprise.’ Those moments just come off as silly, and not the ‘good’ silly those movies tried for. It’s one of the reasons TWOK works. Picard IS old. Can’t not be. I’m pushing 50 and am reminded often and painfully I’m not 25.or even 35! If they were all jumping 10 feet over a crowd through phaser fire, I’d be laughing and not in a good way. Did I eye roll a bit at the silicon based virus? Oh yeah. Avoiding any political speak, ST and entertainment in general is a reflection of our times, so I think Picard is both a reflection of our time and a commentary of aging out of what we think of our usefulness. Another thought I just had is, how sure I used to be about certain decisions I’d made in my younger days, only to realize, perhaps I was wrong. I relate to Picard, but my actions were of the interpersona,not intergalactic....
 
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