ENT is canon.
JJ Trek is AU.
Star Trek: Picard
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JJ Trek is AU.
I know the official line is that ENT is part of the continuity with TOS, TNG, and VOY, but it just doesn't work. I know Riker's in the finale, but it just doesn't work. If it were the early voyages of NCC-1701 under Robert April (with appropriate changes to uniforms, etc.), it'd've been perfect. As it is, it... *helpless shrug* ...just doesn't fit.
It has links to the other series and it logically acknowledges the events of the TNG First Contact film with regard to the fragments of the Borg sphere. It establishes other links to established canon with the founding of the Federation, it acknowledges and expands upon the Defiant from TOS. You had the Organians in season 4. The Tellarites and Andorians, especially, had significant presence in Enterprise.
Robert April wasn't born until 2194 according to Memory Alpha, which means he wasn't even around at the time of the NX-01's launch. The Enterprise series was showing early human exploration with a warp 5 engine, it was exploring that angle. If they had gone for a Robert April series that early chapter in Trek history would have been missed.
What aspect would a Robert April series cover other than to acknowlege his presence?
You're missing my point. Enterprise is, technologically, a hundred years out of its time, and contradicts Voyager (NX-01-A in the latter series is Dauntless, not Enterprise, and given the only canon precedent for suffixed registries, what can one infer NX-01 was?). Give the Enterprise in Enterprise a secondary hull (which it was slated to get, had the series not been cancelled) and you've got a ship with about the same volume and tech level as TOS' NCC-1701 -- launched roughly a century before the latter ship. I reject the notion of utter technological stagnation for a century between periods of fairly steady progress. Especially when that chunk of time encompasses the Founding of the Federation, when one would presume all that dialogue would be spurring technological breakthroughs.
When I say it'd've been a perfect Robert April series, I mean have Scott Bakula playing April in the 2240s aboard a newly-launched NCC-1701 and everything else can remain the same... Although I'd just as soon skip the Temporal Cold War/Suliban stuff.
We broke the Light Barrier (warp 1) 90 years earlier. We have the warp 8 Constitution 90 years later. They should just be cracking warp 4 at the time Enterprise takes place -- with warp 3 being a less-redlined cruising speed. Give or take. I don't expect constant logarithmic progress. There'd be breakthroughs and setbacks. I figure one surge in Human tech would come when we got ships fast enough to unify the scattered Earth colonies and Starfleet was formed. Then a bit of a plateau until after the Federation was founded, etc. I'm all in favor of exploring that period in the history of local space. I just feel Enterprise was trying to be two shows at once, and ended up doing neither very well.
And given the NX class' presence on Admiral Marcus' credenza in Into Darkness, that Enterprise better fits the JJ-verse. Especially given that NCC-1701 is about a hundred years ahead of its time, too. Given the Borg Sphere's presence in Enterprise, it's easier for me to say that show and the JJ-verse films are all in a technologically accelerated timeline, thanks to the events of First Contact.
I'll give it a try on the weekend.
The fact that it is made under the Kurtzman regime isn't filling me with an abundance of hope but I'll give it a chance.
Strikerkc
Sr Member
Did they have a new one for each episode?
I'm not an expert, but that number seems... high.
patrickivan
Sr Member
****, really? I mean, aren't there only going to be 10 episodes as well? Maybe they have one exec for each actor now.
PotionMistress
Sr Member
Holy cow, I LOVED the first episode! Premise is wonderful, the scenes and effects are top-notch without being over the top, and the acting supreme! Now, I can let myself be excited!!!
GermanRedrum
New Member
Too early for me to tell much about the series, based on the first episode. I’ll have to see more.
But, I will say that it is very sad and sobering to realize how much Patrick Stewart has aged since TNG wrapped (26 years ago).
i do have to give credit to The Doomcock who, like with Star Wars: ROS before, appears to have received accurate leaks from some source at CBS.
This was posted on the 21st....
But, I will say that it is very sad and sobering to realize how much Patrick Stewart has aged since TNG wrapped (26 years ago).
i do have to give credit to The Doomcock who, like with Star Wars: ROS before, appears to have received accurate leaks from some source at CBS.
This was posted on the 21st....
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Paul Andrew
Master Member
I enjoyed that episode a lot. Ready for more!
Pretty much what I was told by a few in the know
Investors and Licensees have locked up their wallets and Redstone is cleaning house and Bad Robot is on the run.....out the door
They might try and save Picard for Season 2 with a hard reboot but imo that ain’t gonna happen, who the hell wants to throw good money on a bad concept, but hey Season 2 could open up with Jean-Luc coming out of a sonic shower with Beverly saying it was all a bad dream
Investors and Licensees have locked up their wallets and Redstone is cleaning house and Bad Robot is on the run.....out the door
They might try and save Picard for Season 2 with a hard reboot but imo that ain’t gonna happen, who the hell wants to throw good money on a bad concept, but hey Season 2 could open up with Jean-Luc coming out of a sonic shower with Beverly saying it was all a bad dream
JiminSTLouis
Sr Member
I could only take about 3 minutes of this guys review.
The paper mache helmet he wears and the distorted “anonymous whistleblower being interviewed on 60 minutes” voice is a bit much, isn’t it?
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STD is the same way. It seems both shows have more producers than actors. You have to wonder if any of them actually do anything. I wasn't aware that Eugene Roddenberry was any sort of producer but is listed as such on both shows.
I didn't mind the first episode but I don't see how the story line can be drawn out over more that 1 season and I have really gotten to hate TV shows that have season long or longer story arcs. I long for the days of stand alone episodes with the occasional 2 or 3 episode arc.
Borjis
Sr Member
Saw most of it. To me it felt like Ron Moore came back (and Ron would NEVER do this) and took the new BSG concept /style and applied it to star trek.
It looks really good for sure. Will tune in further and see what happens. That scene with the girl & Picard first meeting it felt like he would say I'm professor Xavier, welcome to my school for the gifted. Probably from seeing Logan recently.
It looks really good for sure. Will tune in further and see what happens. That scene with the girl & Picard first meeting it felt like he would say I'm professor Xavier, welcome to my school for the gifted. Probably from seeing Logan recently.
