NakedMoleRat
Legendary Member
I believe that Data will not exists. He will be a mental crutch that Picard leans upon when needing guidance.
Star Trek: Picard
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Joek3rr
Master Member
Oh those uniforms. See I would have thought that these were possible futures. Not things set in stone. The future that Picard visits is considered an anti-time future. According to Michael and Denise Okuda, it's an alternate quantum reality.
Anti-time future
The anti-time future was a possible future encountered by Jean-Luc Picard of 2370, when Q transferred his consciousness to the body of his older self. According to Picard, the events of this future took place 25 years after his time-period. In this future, the USS Enterprise-D had continued to...
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Yes, but several years later, after the Enterprise-D had been destroyed, Deep Space Nine used the same uniforms and badge for its jump ahead, and then a few years later still Voyager did the same. Many things are mutable -- it seems those uniforms and that badge coming into use around 2400 is more of an inevitability. 
Joek3rr
Master Member
Or it was cheaper for productionYes, but several years later, after the Enterprise-D had been destroyed, Deep Space Nine used the same uniforms and badge for its jump ahead, and then a few years later still Voyager did the same. Many things are mutable -- it seems those uniforms and that badge coming into use around 2400 is more of an inevitability.
Joek3rr
Master Member
Yes, but several years later, after the Enterprise-D had been destroyed, Deep Space Nine used the same uniforms and badge for its jump ahead, and then a few years later still Voyager did the same. Many things are mutable -- it seems those uniforms and that badge coming into use around 2400 is more of an inevitability.
I was just thinking. Maybe the designer of the All Good Things uniform was Romulan and he died when planet blew up
Personally I really dig the new uniforms. They give me a Star Trek Online vibe.
PotionMistress
Sr Member
Seriously, Q??? Is this from a reliable source?!
Is this from a reliable source?!
TrekMovie's breakdown is close but not exact. Others have gone into detail elsewhere.
Joek3rr
Master Member
Do you happen to know where I could find them?
The most in-depth, non-circular/baselessly-speculating stuff I've seen so far has been in this thread, but there's been no new discussion anywhere that I've seen since July.
NakedMoleRat
Legendary Member
Don’t mince words. Say what’s on your mind!
I want to know, but holy crap that's like an hour and a half dissertation on it!
BTW, Data's aging, is easily explained by saying that he upgraded himself to be more human, which he was already wanting to do on TNG. That kind of makes sense. The other stuff, not so much.
I want to know, but holy crap that's like an hour and a half dissertation on it!
BTW, Data's aging, is easily explained by saying that he upgraded himself to be more human, which he was already wanting to do on TNG. That kind of makes sense. The other stuff, not so much.
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The obvious in-universe explanation is that Mr. Data’s “I can serve as a flotation device” mode is currently stuck in the “on” position.
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I want to know, but holy crap that's like an hour and a half dissertation on it!
BTW, Data's aging, is easily explained by saying that he upgraded himself to be more human, which he was already wanting to do on TNG. That kind of makes sense. The other stuff, not so much.
Data's ageing upgrade would make sense if it is Data and he's alive in Picard's present day setting.
The TNG uniforms, the scene in the Vineyard, the card game scene imply these are dreams, so Brent's ageing and their attempt to use VFX to make him younger don't quite fit with your hypothesis that Data is intentionally ageing.
I want to know, but holy crap that's like an hour and a half dissertation on it!
BTW, Data's aging, is easily explained by saying that he upgraded himself to be more human, which he was already wanting to do on TNG. That kind of makes sense. The other stuff, not so much.
Not exactly, the "short" version is just cut/paste from the longer video
NakedMoleRat
Legendary Member
Here was the phone conversation.
Patrick: Good morning, Brent. If you’re home, please pick up.
Brent: Good morning Sir Patrick, what’s shaking, baby?
Patrick: I have good news. You don’t have to film season three of Fresh Hell. CBS has green lit my new series and I have talked them into bringing Data back as well.
Brent: Awesome sauce! Let the Data money start rolling in again.
Patrick: Um, yea, about that. This isn’t the Paramount that you remember. We don’t quite have the same budget as we did on TNG.
Brent: What is the budget?
Patrick: Let’s just say that maybe you should stop at the Halloween store and pick up a wig and TNG uniform on the way to the studio.
Brent: (Long pause). Whatever, I was only planning on going to Barnes and Noble today anyway and read the new Star Wars magazines for free.
Patrick: Splendid, see you in an hour.
Patrick: Good morning, Brent. If you’re home, please pick up.
Brent: Good morning Sir Patrick, what’s shaking, baby?
Patrick: I have good news. You don’t have to film season three of Fresh Hell. CBS has green lit my new series and I have talked them into bringing Data back as well.
Brent: Awesome sauce! Let the Data money start rolling in again.
Patrick: Um, yea, about that. This isn’t the Paramount that you remember. We don’t quite have the same budget as we did on TNG.
Brent: What is the budget?
Patrick: Let’s just say that maybe you should stop at the Halloween store and pick up a wig and TNG uniform on the way to the studio.
Brent: (Long pause). Whatever, I was only planning on going to Barnes and Noble today anyway and read the new Star Wars magazines for free.
Patrick: Splendid, see you in an hour.
Well, much of the discussion in the thread on TrekBBS has gone in circles about whether that's a cadet uniform or serving officer. Despite the rank pips on the examples seen. Or whether people saw First Contact style uniforms in one of the long shots, or whether they're Command division uniforms with the red desaturated to gray by lightening the contrast to see past the shadow in the shot.
The source of the TNG uniforms being used in ST: Picard, perhaps?
Star Trek: The Next Generation Deluxe Gold Shirt Command Uniform
Star Trek: The Next Generation Deluxe Gold Shirt Command Uniform
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NakedMoleRat
Legendary Member
I doubt that the budget would allow for the “deluxe“ costume.
