More doom and gloom Trek.
Welcome to the Alex Kurtzman school of Star Trek, kill everyone or make their life miserable because it's "cool, edgy and modern".
Star Trek: Picard
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Welcome to the Alex Kurtzman school of Star Trek, kill everyone or make their life miserable because it's "cool, edgy and modern".
I love how Riker couldn't even bother to clean the flour off his hands before dirtying Picard's jacket. What a sign of respect for your old captain; forget basic hygiene. Even after handling the fresh kill, he just wipes his hands on his apron. This show cracks me up. I love it!
OK. I am caught up again. I won’t bore everyone by repeating my criticisms regarding the ongoing poor writing and the unlikeable characters...
...but I do have to ask, in light of EVERY character taking their turn to give Picard hectoring lectures (including Troi and Riker) and to scoff at his legacy as “the greatest captain” in Starfleet, I do have to ask, has Patrick Stewart decided that he simply does not like Picard, as a character, and this is an attempt to deconstruct the character as part of what he and the “Lunatics at the Asylum” (the infinite number of producers and the gaggle of “writers”) regard as some sort of misguided legacy??
He is literally, and figuratively, a captain without a starship who is no longer a leader and reduced to someone that things simply happen to and directs nothing. It is so sad to watch as a line of characters, one by one, takes their turn to figuratively punch Picard while he does nothing.
Where is the wisdom, leadership, and the BACKBONE of Jean-Luc Picard? Put more directly, WHERE is Jean-Luc Picard??
I have yet to see this character show up in this science fiction series:
...but I do have to ask, in light of EVERY character taking their turn to give Picard hectoring lectures (including Troi and Riker) and to scoff at his legacy as “the greatest captain” in Starfleet, I do have to ask, has Patrick Stewart decided that he simply does not like Picard, as a character, and this is an attempt to deconstruct the character as part of what he and the “Lunatics at the Asylum” (the infinite number of producers and the gaggle of “writers”) regard as some sort of misguided legacy??
He is literally, and figuratively, a captain without a starship who is no longer a leader and reduced to someone that things simply happen to and directs nothing. It is so sad to watch as a line of characters, one by one, takes their turn to figuratively punch Picard while he does nothing.
Where is the wisdom, leadership, and the BACKBONE of Jean-Luc Picard? Put more directly, WHERE is Jean-Luc Picard??
I have yet to see this character show up in this science fiction series:
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Frenzy1971
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He got old and they lean into it.
The Federation high ups always had cranky admirals and shady things going on. I like what they've done. Loved seeing Hugh.
Heartbreak, betrayal, disillusionment, and failure are things everyone of us has gone through. Shouldn't it happen in Star Trek too?
That assumes an “ageist philosophy” that characters devolve as they age. On the contrary, I would expect a character like Picard to have continued to grown in wisdom and leadership. It was the natural progressive arch of the character. I would also expect that the respect that he has rightly earned to grow alongside with his wisdom, history, and leadership.
This broken, foolish, lost, weak, and disrespected old man is not Jean Luc Picard and I cannot agree with this misguided misinterpretation of the character.
It profits us nothing to debase and degrade these characters. In the end, what have you learned, other than “old people suck”? What do you have, but a destroyed and empty legacy where a rich one once resided.
It really is just sad to watch it happen as he voluntarily takes his place on the Bench of Disrespect with other genre heroes.
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Frenzy1971
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Those are some good points, however I would submit from professionals experience people do devolve with age to a degree. These precious things, intellectual properties we all love so much were lighting in a bottle. We are not the same people who watched them, and wont watch them the same now. The actors aren't the same people who made them, and the filmmakers who make them usually aren't the ones who did the originals. This is a stack of new lenses with which to view the product and there is no way to make it look the same or feel the same as the idealized vision we look back at them with. The Mandalorian is the rarest of exceptions., but even it is more violent and the way it is shot (techniques, not equipment) is different than the original films. Time changes everything. They can't put lighting back in the bottle.
I agree that “catching lightning in a bottle”, once again, is the most difficult of tasks for creatives; however, given that difficulty, I would argue that these creatives have taken the easiest of paths by not even making the attempt.
(“...it has always been easier to destroy than to create.”)
And there are so many examples of where it has been successfully done by the right talented creatives. It may be difficult, but it’s not impossible.
At some point, I expect Wil Wheaton to be given his turn and for Wesley to give Picard his own disrespectful gut punch.
I imagine that he will turn the tables by exclaiming (while standing with an extended finger over Picard who sits in a chair, like an unruly child, with his head down): “Shut-up Jean Luc! God, I have wanted to say that for YEARS!”
Tune in to find out...
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peterquill
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what still rings in my ears is that a while back there was a documentary Shatner did called The Captains,
and for anybody who hasnt seen it, its basically shatner having a somewhat depressing getting old crisis, and meeting up with trek captains,
he then ends up at PatStew's house, and he gives shatner these words,
"if the world ended tomorrow,
he'd forever be remembered as captain picard of the enterprise, and he said he was ok with that,
it made shatner feel better, and it made me feel better
that is how i want to remember Picard,
but with this whatever it is, (The kurtzman\Discovery show), it makes me sad, angry, frustrated, and no amount of cameos is going to change that
there should be another documentary out called "Alex kurtzman's guide to how to kill a Legacy"
who knows maybe, just maybe there will be a good trek show hopefully within the next 15 years,
sadly it wont be with the Tng crew, and i'd be ok with that as long as its good
and for anybody who hasnt seen it, its basically shatner having a somewhat depressing getting old crisis, and meeting up with trek captains,
he then ends up at PatStew's house, and he gives shatner these words,
"if the world ended tomorrow,
he'd forever be remembered as captain picard of the enterprise, and he said he was ok with that,
it made shatner feel better, and it made me feel better
that is how i want to remember Picard,
but with this whatever it is, (The kurtzman\Discovery show), it makes me sad, angry, frustrated, and no amount of cameos is going to change that
there should be another documentary out called "Alex kurtzman's guide to how to kill a Legacy"
who knows maybe, just maybe there will be a good trek show hopefully within the next 15 years,
sadly it wont be with the Tng crew, and i'd be ok with that as long as its good
Frenzy1971
Well-Known Member
That's a great line. I like it but thats just me.
It just occurred to me...is it “Alternative Reality / Science Tunic Picard” that we are seeing in this series??
“...that man is bereft of passion, and imagination! That is not who I am!!”
“I would rather die as the man I was, than to live the life I just saw.”
The question is, will Patrick Stewart recognize the mistake of what he has asked for and request to be allowed to set things right again? I somehow doubt it, unfortunately.
“...that man is bereft of passion, and imagination! That is not who I am!!”
“I would rather die as the man I was, than to live the life I just saw.”
The question is, will Patrick Stewart recognize the mistake of what he has asked for and request to be allowed to set things right again? I somehow doubt it, unfortunately.
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On the contrary it profits some namely all involved in this laughable charade of a “Series”
I wonder what the price was for Patrick to sell out and destroy his characters legacy?
I wonder what the price was for Patrick to sell out and destroy his characters legacy?
You forgot that sadly with these writers it would actually be “Shut the **** up Jean Luc! God, I have wanted to say that for YEARS!”
obrienizer
New Member
I hope you realize, folks, the only hope we have for someone to salvage the Star Trek universe is the hushed concept of a Wesley Crusher series. It is so sad things have come to this, but on the bright side, Capt. Luc could be part of it.
It's 2020. Eventually they will do what they always do when they make a huge mess out of a franchise.
Reboot.
Reboot.
peterquill
Sr Member
i dont know why i still care but what i find astounding still, is that Patstew said in an interview, that he kept putting trek scripts in the bin over the years,
and this is the one he pulled out of the bin and, "it was the best one he had read"
i can only assume he had a bump on the noggin at that time,
and also how bad were those other scripts in order to make this one good,
there are good writers are around, but unfortunately the kurtzman regime is in full swing
and this is the one he pulled out of the bin and, "it was the best one he had read"
i can only assume he had a bump on the noggin at that time,
and also how bad were those other scripts in order to make this one good,
there are good writers are around, but unfortunately the kurtzman regime is in full swing
patrickivan
Sr Member
Ya, that would have been fun, watching all our heros move on to other jobs away from each other.
patrickivan
Sr Member
The last episode wasn't horrible. IT was awesome Seeing Picard, Riker, and Troi together, and talking about Data. But they didn't solve problems together really. Well, they did kind of give Picard a little perspective on how he was talking to Soji, but they really just pretty much just did a recap of the season. And they just all magically guessed everything to move things along. Though reading how some people were choked up about the reunion was just so weird. There was nothing stellar about it. We literally see these actors hang out together all the time.
A couple of things really pissed me off. It really sounds like Riker and Troi didn't do everything they could to save their son. And the means going outside of the Federation to do so because of the "synth" ban. That also means Picard doing what he'd have to do to help. In fact, THAT would have been a better thing to have had Picard leave Starfleet over than this entire giant Romulan/ Synthetic life, universe destroying plot.
A Federation and Starfleet whose values have been completely twisted, that entire worlds die, synthetic life forms are enslaved, and children of the federation die because of stupid bans, is just NOT STAR TREK. What the **** are they doing here?
And I am so sick of aunty raffi and her life of booze and drugs. Oh, she's so broken and still fun. Yaaawwwwwwn. And Doctor Cries-A-Lot. She's a blast too.
Oh, and can we just see some ******* ships that look like they belong in Star Trek? I mean, it's Star TREK.
A couple of things really pissed me off. It really sounds like Riker and Troi didn't do everything they could to save their son. And the means going outside of the Federation to do so because of the "synth" ban. That also means Picard doing what he'd have to do to help. In fact, THAT would have been a better thing to have had Picard leave Starfleet over than this entire giant Romulan/ Synthetic life, universe destroying plot.
A Federation and Starfleet whose values have been completely twisted, that entire worlds die, synthetic life forms are enslaved, and children of the federation die because of stupid bans, is just NOT STAR TREK. What the **** are they doing here?
And I am so sick of aunty raffi and her life of booze and drugs. Oh, she's so broken and still fun. Yaaawwwwwwn. And Doctor Cries-A-Lot. She's a blast too.
Oh, and can we just see some ******* ships that look like they belong in Star Trek? I mean, it's Star TREK.
Jeri Ryan hit the nail 20 years ago:
She does not just have looks, but brains as well.
