Star Trek Beyond

Amateur.

1. Glowing Space hug.
- Yeah, it was pretty random and made little to no sense.
2. because the bad guy never moved his ship up or down.
- That's a point that you cannot call worse than what Beyond does. That resolution helped illustrate how there will always be a disadvantage when you play against your opponent's strengths. Khan has commanding the Reliant for what, a few days? How long has Kirk commanded the Enterprise? Also, you left out Spock's sacrifice.
3. By kicking someone off a cliff.
- That totally fits in with Star Trek. Kirk always finds himself in a hand-to-hand fight quite often.
4. By whale song
- As silly as it might sound, the whales actually worked in this case because it focused on what we still don't know about whales. We know they can save the day, but we don't know exactly how they do it. The film is very aware of this and thankfully managed to not make it worse by adding in subtitles to the Whale Songs that the studio execs wanted. Plus whales being extinct in the future was a good way of illustrating the differences between the past and present times of humanity in Star Trek.
5. By firing a photon torpedo at god
- First, Sybok tried to give it a therapy session. Second, it wasn't god. Third, the torpedo didn't do it in. Fourth, it was a weaker Klingon Bird of Prey Disruptor that did it in, manned by Spock no less. That's not defending Star Trek V mind you. Just making the point that the film is a lot dumber than you're giving it credit for.
6 by Scotty shooting someone
- What about Spock and McCoy trying to rig a torpedo to chase gas before the Enterprise gets destroyed? What about Kirk heroically jumping high in the air to save the President of the Federation from a sniper? Or Kirk's speech about how different societies being frightened of having to deal with each other? Scotty shooting West was more of a "Oh, one last thing" and was by no means the big finale. Cripes, West was aiming for a one-shot character for crying out loud.
7. With stock footage from the last film
- I think "Going back in time for a fist-fight rematch with an old man on a catwalk" is more damning than using stock footage. And if you're still hinging on the battle with the Bird of Prey to be the film's ending battle, just go with technobabble. When the Enterprise has weapons that could stop a Borg cube for a minute, there is really no reason to technobabble your way out of fighting a century old design ship that has less mass to it than one of your ship's nacelles.
8. With Data smashing a tube
Not before Picard smashed his little ships.
9. **** blows up, Data is a flotation device.
- I got one that's better. The technology hating hippies win.
10. bad guy throws himself on a spike, after two space ships collide with neither of them exploding
- THE WHOLE MOVIE.
2009 enterprise pulls away from a black hole by jettisoning its warp core
- Not before Kirk risked the Enterprise to kill Nero when his ship was already being destroyed by said black hole. Surprised Kirk didn't say "If we kill Nero before the black hole does, we get an achievement!"
STID Kirk fixes warp core by kicking it, dies briefly.
- You do not give NuKirk credit for his not-so sacrifice and not bring up Spock's sacrifice in TWOK. And come on. Khan may not have gone up or down in TWOK, but at least he didn't demand that the Enterprise send him TORPEDOES. Also, sacrifice moment is ruined by a forced "KHAAN!" shoutout and a fist-fight.


Because when Star Trek does stupid, it's the kind of stupid that only Star Trek can do. Mars Attacks, which was a parody that played this tactic for comedic effect. Is Star Trek really going to sink to that level that we have they have to resort to plot devices from parodies?

I haven't seen the film yet so I have no idea if the execution will be or if the film will be good enough in general that I just won't care. I think it will be the latter since that's the impression I'm getting from the reviews.

If the gist of what you are saying is "those things work in the context of the film" then we have to wait and see how well the stupid sounding ending works in this one.

If the gist of it is just new trek sucks, I don't imagine you would enjoy this film if it came with a free car.
 
In the poster with the cutaways of the Enterprise, Franklin and enemy ship, it looks like the motorcycle might be found onboard the Franklin. What it's doing there, who knows...
 
If the gist of it is just new trek sucks, I don't imagine you would enjoy this film if it came with a free car.

While I don't like NuTrek as much as the general populace, I understand and respect those who do. I've even got respect towards this movie for doing things that I wish Star Trek had done a long time ago so my outlook isn't all that terrible.
 

They seem to be dropping some major spoilers from this movie. The one with the bad guy might be interesting. But this current one, I think it's stupid. It's yet another call back to the original and better series. And once again makes a classic character look stupid for accepting the situation of the reboot movie.

Also early reviews seem to be good but I think the reviews were good for Into Darkness as well. I don't know how he does it but everyone seems to like to promote JJ Abrams movies. They want to be a part of them.
 
They seem to be dropping some major spoilers from this movie. The one with the bad guy might be interesting. But this current one, I think it's stupid. It's yet another call back to the original and better series. And once again makes a classic character look stupid for accepting the situation of the reboot movie.
I'm not sure about that at all. It's a minor point of movie and a call back honoring Leonard Nimoy and the original cast. Writing it off as "stupid" (without seeing it) is... well, stupid. I expect it to be a poignant moment.
 
I'm not sure about that at all. It's a minor point of movie and a call back honoring Leonard Nimoy and the original cast. Writing it off as "stupid" (without seeing it) is... well, stupid. I expect it to be a poignant moment.

You shouldn't expect anything. We should all watch the movie without spoilers. But as usual they are doing everything to sell the movie. To appease both the masses and normal fans.

And I guess I can further spoil the moment since the article was linked. But just in case for people that didn't read the link.

From what I remember of the original reboot movie, original Spock creates a black hole trying to save the Romulan's planet. This black hole also happens to be a time travel thing because of the stupid, yes stupid inclusion of the unknown red material from Alias. Yes I watched Alias and I hate that they included that in Star Trek universe. Anyway, original Spock is now in the reboot alternate timeline and knows it's different. Also the ship with the red material is intact and can be used again. But I believe reboot Spock destroys that ship and original Spock didn't tell Kirk that they need that ship to correct the timeline. Of course most people that watched the original Star Trek TV show and movies know that Spock and the Enterprise crew have dealt with time travel and alternate timelines before. They didn't just give up and stay there.

Going to Into Darkness, because the stupidity continues, as reboot Spock actually calls original Spock to ask who Khan is. The reboot crew has no clue. The supposed surprise was only for the emotions of the audience. The reboot crew can't even look Khan up in their database. Original Spock has to tell the reboot crew how dangerous he is.

Now we have the final nail in the coffin of original Spock's dumb actions in these movies, at least according to the article. He actually has a photo of the original crew from the movies. Which I guess he decided to bring along during his rescue mission in the reboot movie. But this photo doesn't act as a reminder that he is in an alternate timeline and has to get back to where he belongs. Or it doesn't show alternate Spock that things are really different in his timeline, right down to the designs of the ship. Yes alternate Spock supposedly decides not to leave Starfleet because of this photo. But we were supposed to be seeing some of the friendship between the crew in Into Darkness. Especially between alternate Kirk and Spock. No, this photo is all for the audience and the anniversary of Star Trek. That's why I say it's stupid from the description in the article and knowing that it's not in character but for the sake of whatever story they are telling. Things like this happen in a lot of the JJ Abrams movies, playing for audience emotions at the expense of the characters, so it doesn't surprise me at this point.
 
So using music against the enemy...hmmmmmm...For you whippersnappers look up Robotech and Lynn Minmei - We Will Win. Frankly if you want to destroy the enemy with "music" broadcast a mix of Lou Reed's Metal Music and anything by Yoko Ono.
 
So using music against the enemy...hmmmmmm...For you whippersnappers look up Robotech and Lynn Minmei - We Will Win. Frankly if you want to destroy the enemy with "music" broadcast a mix of Lou Reed's Metal Music and anything by Yoko Ono.

Actually take anything by Yoko Ono, have Bjork do a cover version, and broadcast THAT.

I still maintain that the "villain" per se in STID should have been Spock Prime. He's in a different reality, and has watched his Vulcan civilization essentially destroyed, and goes off the deep end.

He finds someone in Starfleet who'll give him a starship with a crew who won't ask questions, then goes about singlehandedly solving just about every problem Starfleet would otherwise deal with in 100 years:

They start by tracking down the Botany Bay and putting a torpedo into her without ever beaming over. Then they go down the list of TOS episodes, doing what needs to be done.

Kirk and Co. find out about it and have to decide whether the Federation is better off having to face its own problems.

Anyway, that's how I would have done it.
 
You shouldn't expect anything. We should all watch the movie without spoilers. But as usual they are doing everything to sell the movie. To appease both the masses and normal fans.
I missed the part where you were forced to click the link Bryancd provided and read the spoiler.
 
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So using music against the enemy...hmmmmmm...For you whippersnappers look up Robotech and Lynn Minmei - We Will Win. Frankly if you want to destroy the enemy with "music" broadcast a mix of Lou Reed's Metal Music and anything by Yoko Ono.

Actually, it's My Boyfriend's a Pilot in the original Macross, but yeah, that's the first thing I thought of.
 
"I'm excited to sing my new song for you! Stage lights flashing, the feeling's smashing..."

NEW? The song's been on the show like a thousand times already! #Robotechfrustrations
 
Spoilers
Yet ANOTHER Revenge movie....... When will we see something new from this new startrek?...... This one was the Old starfleet captain seeking revenge against starfleet..... the previous one was Khan seeking revenge against starfleet.....and the first one was a romulan seeking revenge against starfleet....

It had its few moments that was fun, but the whole "alien captain is really the very old human captain twist and backstore" is really tacked on at the last minute... hell its pretty much explained in just ONE minute in the movie at the last 10-15 minute of the end chase.
 
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