Star Trek 4

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/heat-vision/star-trek-3-stars-raises-805204

 

But will the 4th have nuclear wessels?

 

Let's wait and see how the 3rd one does. Although, I suppose, Paramount wants to keep its franchises going to compete with the likes of Disney.

 

Well that is good news as far as a fourth film but they haven't filmed the third one yet so as Solo said above, we will see...unlike a lot of fans apparently I like the films as I am a Kirk and Spock man myself, I grew up before the Next Generation existed so TOS is still my favorite and I liked the new crew.

 

Sorry... but I want the JJ verse to die, and Trek to return to TV, as it should be.

 

Good news in a way, with those pay outs to Pine and Quintero, in a perfect world the next film will tank as well as the fourth, this current blasphemy will end and we can move on to what Trek is really about! :lol

 

Amen to that ! And maybe get an Enterprise that doesn't look like plucked poultry,

 

I miss the days when I looked forward to new Star Trek. Now I just don't care.

 

You wrote what the groan that just escaped me meant. :lol

 

The most important question I need to know the answer to: Is Gracie pregnant?

 

I wish I didn't feel this way too.

 

The hell she is.

 

Agreed.
Hope the third bombs horribly.
This will never be a form of Star Trek to me.
Everyone can go watch JJ Wars, that is what they wanted anyways.

 

Are you sure now is the time for a colorful metaphor?

 

Wow. A lot of hate here.

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Dude...we're QUOTING Voyage Home...

 

No ..... Really. ...dude? I'm talking about the jj trek hate. Lighten up.

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"From hell's heart I stab at thee....."

Abrams is pretty low in my universe. Not like Hitler low, but you know, low.
My TOS was effectively raped to cheering crowds so that's not easily forgotten.

 

Hahahaha! Well done, Good Sir!

 

[video]https://youtu.be/GTil0-smOJQ?t=50[/video]

 

:lol ....and that's your problem right there! :lol

 

Oh. Okay. I have the problem You just keep dreaming your ST fantasy movie. I'll just move along.


Cheers

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This is'nt reality, this is fantasy, now get back into the closet! :lol

 

That's a great point. Perhaps you should follow it.

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Trust me Mr. adventure you are out of your depth here! :lol

 

Is that because of your post count?

 

Not at all, You just don't get it! :facepalm

 

Enlighten me . What am not getting?

 

That sure persuaded me .:thumbsup

 

The old star trek films were dying, the tv shows were dying, JJ breathed new life into the franchise, if its not your trek, good, your trek is what killed trek.

 

No , bad decisions, mainly, bad scripts opened up the current mess.

 

:lol Other peoples children! :lol

 

That and the fact that Paramount wanted a blockbuster franchise with movies that make far more than any Trek movie ever made in the past. All they had to do to achieve that was change everything that made Trek what it was and turn it into a generic special effects driven summer franchise with stories that are utterly forgetable.

 

And you know... the producers, writers and actors telling the fans to fu** off and that THEY'RE the ones who make movies.

 

So Insurrection and Nemesis were great movies then?

 

Star Trek is my favorite franchise of all time, but I'm not so devoted to it that I won't acknowledge that a lot of stuff it's put out there is straight up bad. Insurrection followed up on what was a very promising start at a full TNG focused movie and squandered it into a below average mediocrity that has since drowned in irrelevancy. Nemesis was so horribly mishandled that nobody knew how to properly handle the characters. You want to emphasize how different Picard and Shinzon are? The movie could have been saved if you had only worked Picard's artificial heart into the story since that was such a crucial character developing moment for him in the series and it would have given Picard something TANGIBLE to show Shinzon that the events in one's life do have a lasting impact on who you are! GOD DANGIT! How could they have missed that opportunity?

And a lot of the problems I see in Nemesis I still see in these new movies. We have a need for a film to appeal to a greater audience, we have writers who really don't understand the characters, we have scenes written for pure self-indulgence and an almost complete lack of respect for the source material. I fear if I list how they mishandled Khan I'd be reported for spamming so I'll just leave it there.

Whatever good faith Trek09 brought to the entertainment industry, it did not carry over with Into Darkness. It was more of the same and didn't promise us anything new. If the next film doesn't have Carol Marcus or follow up on the whole Klingon schtick that was beaten into our heads, the film is completely skippable. Trek09 ends with their five year long mission and there was no 'Khan' incident. I mean, Kirk's death and resurrection was handled with all the grace of an episodic reset button rather than a moment that stuck with the characters long past the film.

 

Good.

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I am not going to say Darkness was as good as 09, although it did have some great visuals.

However none permanent deaths have been the staple of the original series.

Kirk's death in Amok Time, Scotty killed by Apollo and Nomad, most of the crew being turned into tetrahedrons, McCoy's fatal illness, suddenly cured by the end of the episode, Uhura's complete brain wipe, everything back to normal the next week.

And that is just TOS, you want to talk about reducing dramatic impact. Remember how terrible it was seeing the enterprise burn in star trek 3? And how it just wasn't the same in Generations?

That is because by the time generations came along we had already seen the enterprise D blow up seven times.

The sins of the JJ films are there, but to say they aren't true to the series that came before utilises a very selective memory.

 

Mr. Verta put it best.

http://www.twodoorford.com/Posts/ST_Commentary_Pt.1.mp3

 

Who?

His opinion makes a lot of assumptions about the enterprises importance that bear no relevance to the alternative timeline.

In TOS the enterprise was not the flagship, it was one of 12 identical ships, important to the federation, but not irreplaceable.

The ship became legendary because of the actions of Kirk and his crew on that five year mission, and the missions that followed, enough to make sure the name carried on in other ships, although either they took care of the B for a very long time, or there was a significant gap between B and C, there definitely was between C and D.

In 2009 there was no mention of the enterprise being the flagship then either, and it didn't have any history because it had only just been launched.

There were cadets on board because the ship was not expected to be taken into battle, much like the similar situation in star trek II.

At the end of the film Kirk was willing to spare the life of the man who killed his own father in the name of peace and the greater good, to suggest that this is the same cocky Kirk from the start of the film seems to be the mark of a person not really paying attention to the film.

And if Kirk is not acting like the Kirk we know, maybe because the Kirk we know had a living caring father, not some abusive step father banging his mother to get closer to his dads collection of antiques.

 

:lol He was a member here way before your time :lol

 

I'm going to stop you right there. The reason why the destruction of the Enterprise D wasn't as dramatic as the original Enterprise being destroyed was NOT because we've seen it blow up seven times before. It was because the circumstances behind it's real genuine destruction didn't have any drama to begin with.

Star Trek 3 built the Enterprise up as a ship past her time. The original ship that has been a part of the show since it's very beginning was going to be decommissioned and scrapped. When Kirk and crew steal the Enterprise, they know that this will probably be their last journey not only on the Enterprise, but as Starfleet officers. But when they get to Genesis, their hopes are almost shattered when a surprise attack by the Klingons leaves the Enterprise disabled and helpless. Kirk's attempt to intimidate the Klingon Commander Kruge fails which winds up costing the life of his son. When it comes to surrendering the Enterprise, there's only one thing left to do. Destroy the Enterprise. The moments that begin with the self-destruct sequence all the way to seeing it's remainds entering Genesis' atmosphere are some of the most dramatic and intense work ever seen in a Star Trek film Thanks in no small part to James Horner's incredible score (RIP!). And this was done all in the confines of one film.

The Enterprise D in Generations?

• We see the crew * around on a holographic boat while making fun of Worf.
• The Enterprise arrives too late to stop the Romulans from killing the stations 18 compliments but they do save the villain.
• The crew allow the villain to go back onto the station where he takes their chief engineer hostage and blows up the whole solar system.
• No one thinks about checking Geordi's visor to see if it was tampered with.
• Remember what Picard says here. "Maybe they're just trying to decide whether a twenty year-old Klingon Bird-of-Prey can be a match for the Federation flagship."
• Picard allows himself to be the Klingons' hostage in order for him to have a chance to stop Soran. Results? Picard inconveniences Soran from crossing a bridge.
• The Enterprise D, armed to the freaking teeth with enough weapons that would make the Borg pause, fires only one single phaser blast at the Bird of Prey, turns around and flees. Worse, the only way the crew think they can defeat the Klingons is with *rolls dice* Technobabble! Yes, the Enterprise defeat the Klingons because of nonsense.
• Geordi's engineering springs a leaks and he gives up instantly saying 'there's nothing I can do'.
• When all is said and done, Picard feels very, VERY passive about the destruction of the Enterprise (Our casualties were light) and even leaves many of his priceless invaluable artifacts for a gawddang family album that was only introduced in this movie and was never seen again.

Conclusion... The original Enterprise's destruction had drama and a lasting impact. The destruction of the Enterprise D was contrived and nobody seemed to care. When the newly resurrected Spock started to remember Kirk by calling him Jim, Kirk finally felt vindicated. After all that Picard had went through, it took the sight of his family album to make him happy again. So, no. It wasn't the TNG series that diminished the destruction of the Enterprise D.

 

I think both reasons are valid.

 

Not when you talk about the film within the confines of itself. And Star Trek Generations on it's own just happens to be a unorganized mess that originated from a studio mandated check list than an actual draft of a story. The destruction of the Enterprise D could have been one of the most impactful things to ever happen to the TNG crew even with the entire series behind it. Saying that episodes like "Cause and Effect" diminish the destruction of the Enterprise is an unfair point because Cause and Effect was a FREAKING AWESOME EPISODE! The Enterprise being destroyed wasn't even the main problem because it was never permanently destroyed to begin with. The loop was the problem.

 

And if had just been that one episode you would have a point, but it blew up in time squared, cause and effect, Yesterdays enterprise, Timescape, and the very last episode before Generations itself, all good things, where you get three different enterprises blowing up.

Kirks enterprise was a big deal when it blew up because until then it had never blown up, Picards enterprise blew up an average of once a season.

Throw in the fact that every time we ever see a galaxy class that isnt the enterprise that blows up too, its no wonder people had galaxy class explosion fatigue by the time it finally bit the dust for real.

You also didn't take star trek 3 in terms of only itself, you yourself mentioned the history of the ship throughout the series, and other films.

You seem to want to have your cake and eat it. Noone is arguing with you that generations is a mess, least of all me, but you are trying to invalidate my theory by ignoring the same thing in yours.

 

I believe Star Trek 3 literally used clips both narratively and in-context with the film to tell it's story. The blue-tinted recap of Spock's death, funeral and final resting place to the the security footage from engineering. All from the previous film. So bringing up the previous movie is still within the boundaries of the movie itself. And don't forget that the self-destruct sequence code from the original series episode Let That Be Your Last Battlefield is used digit by digit. Even on it's own, Star Trek 3 still acknowledges the details that I brought up. It's a far more practical explanation than using deleted scenes to explain why a character did nothing for 25 years.

 

The biggest problem with Into Darkness... was simply it couldn't stand on its own. Even being so pathetic as to have to contact Spock Prime to fill them in on who Khan was. It was an incoherent mess, and I hated everything about it, from the first teaser sequence.

That being said, why would I go see ST3? I didn't bother seeing Revenge of the Sith.

 

Enterprise doesn't have to be THE ship in the fictional verse, there are others. It is however THE ship for the TOS message as we view the show. It is THE ship to us the viewer. And why she is out there is important.
Not the least of which is what was very clearly spelled out in legendary Shatner fashion.....



And Abrams never understood that. He never liked Star Trek.
As Spock explained about V'ger not understanding emotions... it had no meaning to him.

JJ Trek fails to connect with many of us and this is one of the reasons why.
Your calling it Star Trek, you having characters that are TOS based, but beyond that?
Does that not mean great expectations of handling the material?
There is no there there.