Star Trek 4 (Abrams, Kelvin, whatever...)
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I smell a direct-to-CBS All Abscess release for this one, if it ever happens at all.
The Brahma Bull
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They never had. ST was full of bad writing and boring characters. Nearly 80% of all TNG, DS9 and VOY was some of the worst stuff ever hit a TV screen. The few episodes that were good build a myth around this franchise I never understood. There were 10 movies before ST09 and only a few with the TOS Crew were good. Maybe FC but the rest wasn*t any better than the new ST. I like the cast of the new movies. Sure they get superhumanized, like every movie does nowadays. But with Pine and Pegg alone the franchise got some of it's original charisma back.
It's dead Jim, for Borg's sake.
Why do they bother? Jar Jar Trek isn't Star Trek.
Why do they bother? Jar Jar Trek isn't Star Trek.
Gimpdiggity
Master Member
Isn’t Hawley the “genius” behind the overly acclaimed (but actually awful) Fargo and Legion on FX?
I had always thought Legion was the worst season of a television show I’d ever seen. I kept waiting for something...anything...to happen and it never did.
Then I watched the third season of Fargo, because everyone said Fargo was so awesome, and quickly realized that Legion had been moved to the silver medal slot, because THAT...that Fargo? I couldn’t stand any of it. Just...terrible.
This is my long way of saying I’d rather see literally ANYONE other than this hack helm ST.
I had always thought Legion was the worst season of a television show I’d ever seen. I kept waiting for something...anything...to happen and it never did.
Then I watched the third season of Fargo, because everyone said Fargo was so awesome, and quickly realized that Legion had been moved to the silver medal slot, because THAT...that Fargo? I couldn’t stand any of it. Just...terrible.
This is my long way of saying I’d rather see literally ANYONE other than this hack helm ST.
Cephus
Master Member
That's true, which is why, like Star Wars, I think Star Trek died after TOS. The problem is, nothing in the new movies is actually Star Trek. It's just a generic sci-fi show with the Star Trek label stamped on. There's very little that Gene Roddenberry would actually recognize anymore. If you can't do it right, don't do it. Let the label die. It's been damaged enough already.
patrickivan
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well, if it's a franchise you never understood, then you clearly aren't a fan.
Though even non fans clearly had a far generous opinion.
Lots of awards
Star Trek: The Next Generation (TV Series 1987–1994) - Awards - IMDb
Star Trek: The Next Generation (TV Series 1987–1994) - Awards, nominations, and wins
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As well as DS9 to a lesser extent with the general public, but seemed to be more popular with fans.
Though I agree that Voyager was nothing but flotsam.
patrickivan
Sr Member
That's pretty much the case with Discovery. It could have been ANY generic sci fi HEAVY on drama, LOW on morals and positivity. I have no idea why they called it Star Trek other than to grab some headlines.
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Cephus
Master Member
They needed something to drive subscriptions for their new streaming service. "Generic angsty sci-fi mess" wasn't going to do that. Star Trek would. That's the only reason Discovery exists at all.
The Brahma Bull
Sr Member
well, if it's a franchise you never understood, then you clearly aren't a fan.
Though even non fans clearly had a far generous opinion.
Lots of awards
Star Trek: The Next Generation (TV Series 1987–1994) - Awards - IMDb
Star Trek: The Next Generation (TV Series 1987–1994) - Awards, nominations, and wins
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As well as DS9 to a lesser extent with the general public, but seemed to be more popular with fans.
Though I agree that Voyager was nothing but flotsam.
I did not say that it was all bad. There was some good stuff. But I watched the show the last few months during dinner. And TNG really had lots of "Alien of the week" episodes. Voyager was a normal ST show just in the Delta Quadrant which didn't even matter for lot's of episodes.
Wow. Are you serious? Lol. Do you seriously believe that? Seriously? 'some of the worst stuff ever'? Really? Ever? Opinions or not. Lol. It's not even true.
The Brahma Bull
Sr Member
Of course it's an opinion like everything here. The first two season ware really some of the worst things you can watch and it was just the name "Star Trek" and maybe Patrick Stewart that kept this show running.
Again, this is your opinion, but to continue to say the TNG's first 2 season's were 'really some of the worst things you can watch' is a really wild statement to make, considering some of the really bad television that was made between 1987-1994. Age probably factors into this discussion as well, for example, if you were actually 7 years old in 1987, when TNG first aired, I'm not sure what other great television shows you would have been comparing it too at that time. Watching a series made in the 1980's, as an adult, is a whole different experience.
I grew up with the TOS-Trek in first run, then had to wait for many years for The Motion Picture' to finally hit the big screen.
Most of the new franchise shows had a rough fist season- all the characters making speeches about how special they were- IIRC the TOS just started off like everyone already knew the back stories and that the crew had been together for some time.
Every series had good and bad episodes but I still watch them- it is sort of like having family over for a holiday and you know pretty much what is going to happen but it is still nice to watch.
Not going to get into the ST-Discovery debate- enough has already been said and I have yet to pay CBS for the privilege of seeing it for myself. The NuTrek films are OK if you turn off that canon switch and just watch it fresh, but oddly enough the film 'Into Darkness' is the very first Trek film I have not watched first in the theater. I have no idea on what this next movie may have in store, but if they want this franchise to thrive it had better be fantastic...
Most of the new franchise shows had a rough fist season- all the characters making speeches about how special they were- IIRC the TOS just started off like everyone already knew the back stories and that the crew had been together for some time.
Every series had good and bad episodes but I still watch them- it is sort of like having family over for a holiday and you know pretty much what is going to happen but it is still nice to watch.
Not going to get into the ST-Discovery debate- enough has already been said and I have yet to pay CBS for the privilege of seeing it for myself. The NuTrek films are OK if you turn off that canon switch and just watch it fresh, but oddly enough the film 'Into Darkness' is the very first Trek film I have not watched first in the theater. I have no idea on what this next movie may have in store, but if they want this franchise to thrive it had better be fantastic...
The Brahma Bull
Sr Member
TNG aired when I was a kid. It was ok for me then. TV was a lot different then for sure. The first two seasons of TNG were still far away from good even to that time. I believe there's a whole documentation about it and its flaws.
The problem I got with that is that even today every new ST movie or series gets compared to the 24th century stuff and not only the stories but the whole thing. I get a lot of the critics but it's a problem for me when the look and feel is one of that points. Nearly all of the UIs and other tech look old compared to the actual state of the art. I am not a fan of this soft reboots that try to be part of the canon. IMHO ST needed a hard reboot or a continuation a century away from Nemesis. A hard reboot probably would've been the best solution to get rid of the canon, that would allow more creative freedom.
I'm not a hardcore ST fan, I watch it because I like Sci-Fi. And at the same time I love Sci-Fi in space without Aliens that is focused on human colonization and in kind of the ensemble I always was a fan of a Joss Whedon style. One of the reasons i absolutely love Firefly which did a thing Richard Baker mentioned in his post. The characters belong to the world they live in and are part of it. One thing TOS also did a good job with. The 24th century shows never felt that way. It was more about discovering new stuff which often times was very close to human history and didn't feel very original. TNG picked up actual topics which isn't bad but simply didn't feel right. It was, in my opinion, a contradiction to what the characters told us there world is like.
NakedMoleRat
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Let Seth Macfarlane do the next Trek movie.
Cephus
Master Member
He's already making the best Trek show on TV.
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