Star Trek 2009... I gave it another chance

Having watched some if not all of everything from the movies to the shows (no, I'm NOT a Trekkie), and while I didn't necessarily hate the re-imagining, I didn't exactly love it either. But I grew up during TNG, so, my complaints are quite worth the paper it'd be written on otherwise.

Speaking of long prologues, see the first Sherlock Holmes' movie.
 
It’s funny- everything I railed against when spitting venom at this film I kind of agree with now.

For instance: many of us who understood that this an origin story had hopes that we would see young Kirk, Spock et al at Starfleet Academy (longer than what was depicted in the film), and maybe a single adventure. Another hope I believe is that ultimately after say two or three films, we would have some kind of segue into “The Man Trap” (or at least something that ties into the beginning of the original series).

Those of us appalled by this film certainly didn’t expect the accelerated promotion of Kirk, and essentially had the book closed on us that the “original timeline” (which we equate with the Original Series) is permanently gone.

However for this film to work, the slate “did” have to get wiped clean, and the alternate timeline scenario was the most viable option.


Many of us brought up the copycat moments of Star Wars. In fact during the commentary Abrams, Orci, Kurtzman etc said they used Star Wars as a template. For instance when Kirk rides his motorcycle to the Enterprise under construction, they called it the “Luke looking at the twin suns moment.”

The fact is that while they may have been using Star Wars as their template, what they were doing was following the universal “Hero’s Journey” which every basic story of a potential hero has. This is Joseph Campbell’s “The Hero with a Thousand Faces.”

So while the journey of Kirk had many similarities with Luke, they both utilize the points of the Hero’s Journey (call to adventure, mentor, threshold crossing into the unknown, final test, death/rebirth, and return to home). I no longer see it as a Star Wars ripoff, but just following the basic lines of an adventure story.

It’s already been mentioned, however the core of the Original Series was the triumvirate of Kirk, Spock and McCoy. The fear is the new films will not be able to replicate the moments captured between these three portrayed by the original actors. And the film did feature two long term friends literally at each other’s throats. Not to mention the irony of McCoy's response to Kirk (asking who Spock is), “I don’t know... but I like him!” It came off as a cheap joke. Nearly three quarters of the film had the triumvirate behaving completely opposite to what we have been accustom to over the last 40+ years. That easily made me tune out and hate this film the first time around.

But with repeat viewings what I saw was glints that the triumvirate was coming together by the end of the film. McCoy is appalled at Spock ejecting Kirk from the ship and calls him a “Green-blooded hobgoblin.” Kirk and Spock have their moment of truce and understanding before beaming over to the Narada. And during the epilogue, Pine delivers a picture perfect Shatner-esque moment when he enters the bridge, pauses to look around, and tells Bones to “buckle up.” :thumbsup

I might still have some reservations, but I think they got it right by the end of the film. And I’m hopeful they continue to depict the emerging relationship between the three in the next film.

Another point brought up that I rallied against- one thing mentioned repeatedly by people who accepted the film, is that the “original timeline” is still there in the form of the Original Series and (first 6) movies. The fact is this is absolutely true!

The question is do we really want to see a rehash (updated of course) of all the stories of the Original Series?

I don’t. Partly because I want to see “new adventures” and partly because I’m worried they would botch the good stories (heaven help them if they try to remake Wrath of Khan :angry :lol).

What I have come to accept is that any new story will have a clear cut villain, and some form of planet destroying device (otherwise the villain isn’t worth Kirk and Company going after). The other option of a “strange galactic phenomenon” that while appearing malevolent turns out to be benign just isn’t going to work with mass audiences these days. Ironically it’s too cerebral. :lol

What I want to see happen in the next film (or it just won’t be Trek for me):

McCoy has to say “He’s dead Jim!”

Spock has to have a moment of extreme emotion (from an alien influence).

Scotty has to have a good drink.

Kirk has to dropkick the villain.


That’s all I'm asking for. :thumbsup ;)



Kevin
 
I've gotta say SSgt Burton,that was very well thought out. I would like to add a few things to the list though.

Kirk must run into an ex-girlfriend.

They need to fix Uhura. She's capable, willful, and sassy, NOT demanding, selfish, and ill tempered. The difference is what made her character so iconic in the first place despite the costume.
 
SSgt Burton, I agree with the points you made above. While Abrams may have mentioned using Star Wars as a template of sorts, it doesn't mean Star Wars invented these iconic archetype relationships either.

I would also love to see all those gem moments that you all have mentioned.

As 40 years have passed, so should the franchise address the new social issues we face, as the original series depicted in it’s time. With a new timeline, I would like to see stories about overpopulation and all that that will entail, or cultural restructuring into what we now know is the Star Trek future…something like that; something that shows we can overcome our wretched current forecast and bring some hope to our evolution. That is what makes Star Trek so eternally interesting to this day.
 
I'm still hoping for more stories in the prime universe, but the more time goes by, the more empty that hope gets.
 
Another continuity niggle is that McCoy is older than Kirk, and so is Spock. Or they were.
 
What I mean is, Spock is a Starfleet instructor, and McCoy is a divorced Earth washout looking for a new start. As I see it.
 
I'm still hoping for more stories in the prime universe, but the more time goes by, the more empty that hope gets.

I don't see how they can say that the prime universe persisted as it was after Nero went back in time. When the Enterprise-C time traveled, it altered the prime universe. When the Borg time traveled, it changed the prime universe (briefly.) When McCoy time traveled in "City on the Edge of Forever," it changed the prime universe. (Again, briefly.)

Switching franchises, Marty McFly's adventures changed his prime universe. Same with Skynet and the Resistance. (In fact, Skynet was counting on the universe being changed, as that was their sole motivation for sending Arnold back.

I do so hate time travel in ST...
 
JJ wants us to believe that the prime universe is still there rather than re-written, so that he doesn't get accused of being the man who threw out 40 something years of continuity. (While at the same time proclaiming that he doesn't want to be bound by said continuity)

As stated, every other time that time-travel happened in Trek it altered the timeline of past-present-future and either he changes stuck (as per the Ent-C and Tasha being there) or it got put right (First Contact, etc). On the other hand we have seen alternate realities, but these clearly were not the prime universe.

So regardless of what JJ says, based on everything that has gone before the only way the Prime universe can be there and the new timeline is if the whole film starts in a parallel universe (so nothing in the "present" is real), or the "past" that Nero and Spock go back to is not the past of the Prime universe (this would explain how the Kelvin, etc can be so different).
 
Yeah but which reality are they making movies in? Prime doesn't exist if there are no new stories being told in it.

It's a safe bet that any and all new stories will be in the alternate universe. I guess it is a case of take it or leave it. *shrugs*

So long as the Kirk/Spock/McCoy dynamic "works as it should" in the new films, I'm fine with it.

The more I watch the new film, the more I see commonalities with the Original Series (certainly not TNG onwards, but definitely TOS). The petty arguments, the fights (remember there was a good ol' knockdown fist fight in nearly every episode? :lol), and the effects. The "moral" is there.

The problem really boils down to the accelerated promotion of Kirk by the end of a two hour film. If you can get past this (and I guess over two years was what it took for me to get over it), you can enjoy the fun.

Besides I need new Trek stuff to collect, and costumes to make. :lol


That works for me:thumbsup

That's pretty outrageous of you. ;)


Kevin
 
Yeah but which reality are they making movies in? Prime doesn't exist if there are no new stories being told in it.

Well, think of this way - We havn't seen a Trek film set in the prime reality for several years now. That doesn't mean it's gone from existence does it?

why would stories being told in an alternate reality erase the prime reality?


And who's to say there wont be more stories in the prime reality?
For all we know they may come out with a new series which takes place on board the Kelvin in the prime reality or something...Who knows.
 
The more I watch the new film, the more I see commonalities with the Original Series (certainly not TNG onwards, but definitely TOS). The petty arguments, the fights (remember there was a good ol' knockdown fist fight in nearly every episode? :lol), and the effects. The "moral" is there.

I still miss Kirk's flying kick.

How do you think today's audience will react if they used the Amock Time battle theme during a fight scene in ST:2?
 
How do you think today's audience will react if they used the Amock Time battle theme during a fight scene in ST:2?

It's funny you mention this- when I listen to the score during Kirk and Sulu's fight on the drill platform, (the staccato horns) it actually reminds of the fight theme from Amok Time. I think it might have been what they were aiming for! :thumbsup :lol


Kevin
 
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