How about the score? Any nods to the past?
Spectre
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The score is just too loud and too heavy. It virtually drowns out a lot of the scenes. But that just may have been because the cinema had the volume up so high it started to give me a headache. In fact there is one ear ringing moment that probably started it. Come to think of it the open song and credits were totally bizarre and more trippy than usual. For some reason I kept wanting to shout "Hail Hydra" but a giant octopus can have that effect on me. Or it could just have been the main villians voice.
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Mr Mold Maker
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It is definitely no Casino Royale, but I didn't think it was that bad. It felt like a good follow up to Skyfall, and easily better than Quantum of Solace. Waltz impressed me as always, but his character did seem completely undeveloped. If they put a little more time into planning and the script this could have been a very good movie.
I did however watch it on my computer because I'm a terrible person. :lol I do look forward to watching it in theaters next week and seeing if my opinion changes at all.
I did however watch it on my computer because I'm a terrible person. :lol I do look forward to watching it in theaters next week and seeing if my opinion changes at all.
I haven't missed a Bond in theaters since I was old enough to see Moonraker.
Unless PCism destroys him, I'll never miss a Bond.
It's 007 and there is ALWAYS something awesome about that.
Unless PCism destroys him, I'll never miss a Bond.
It's 007 and there is ALWAYS something awesome about that.
Look, if you enjoy a Bond film filled with massive explosions, over the top stunts, some gadgets, spectacular sets etc then you will like this one. Its very reminiscent of the Brosnan era. BUT. You are going to have to accept that along with that you are going to get a weaker script and characters that make the story utterly predictable. "Skyfall" had me gripped by what it revealed in every scene and how it reintroduced old ideas and characters in a new way, I couldn't guess what was going to happen at all. Its perhaps the best Bond ever in that respect.
"Spectre" main flaw as far as I was concerned was a huge casting mistake early on. Anyone familiar with "Sherlock" will know exactly what I mean. The moment that character appeared on screen you could virtually guess the entire movie. And the dialogue just seemed to suffer in
exactly the same way. You've heard its like so many times before so you could predict whats coming every time. It therefore kind of fails all whats been writtten before it.
Its still a good Bond movie, but even Daniel Craig gives the impression he hasn't bought into this one the same way he did with "Skyfall". And its all the unlikely coincidences and stunts that happen here that cost the films integrity for me. The percentage of "oh come on!!! " moments is a bit to high. I think when he saw it Daniel had the same reaction, which was why we had all this fuss when he panned the character a few weeks ago in an interview. He has moderated it a bit now ,but you can still see he doesn't respect this film the way he did with "Skyfall".
And that's the biggest problem for it. "Skyfall" was a near perfect Bond film and this one struggles to met the expectations of some of the fans. You won't feel like you've wasted a visit to the cinema, but its lacks the signature brilliance of its predecessor by a huge margin.
PS Its still miles ahead of the likes of "Die Another Day" like the awful CGI in that, but, unlike "Skyfall" you are well aware that "Spectre"has a lot CGI in it. When I think about it DAD attracted a lot of criticism but still did huge box office.
"Spectre" main flaw as far as I was concerned was a huge casting mistake early on. Anyone familiar with "Sherlock" will know exactly what I mean. The moment that character appeared on screen you could virtually guess the entire movie. And the dialogue just seemed to suffer in
exactly the same way. You've heard its like so many times before so you could predict whats coming every time. It therefore kind of fails all whats been writtten before it.
Its still a good Bond movie, but even Daniel Craig gives the impression he hasn't bought into this one the same way he did with "Skyfall". And its all the unlikely coincidences and stunts that happen here that cost the films integrity for me. The percentage of "oh come on!!! " moments is a bit to high. I think when he saw it Daniel had the same reaction, which was why we had all this fuss when he panned the character a few weeks ago in an interview. He has moderated it a bit now ,but you can still see he doesn't respect this film the way he did with "Skyfall".
And that's the biggest problem for it. "Skyfall" was a near perfect Bond film and this one struggles to met the expectations of some of the fans. You won't feel like you've wasted a visit to the cinema, but its lacks the signature brilliance of its predecessor by a huge margin.
PS Its still miles ahead of the likes of "Die Another Day" like the awful CGI in that, but, unlike "Skyfall" you are well aware that "Spectre"has a lot CGI in it. When I think about it DAD attracted a lot of criticism but still did huge box office.
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Yorkie Fett
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I can't remember seeing a film that has such a 50:50 split when it comes to reviews. General concensus seems to be people either love Spectre or hate it. Not much room for the middle ground.
Top critics at 74%. Usually they are harsher.
Oh well I will know my reaction Friday night.
I really enjoyed it! There were scenes that had that classic Bond comedic charm but it wasn't over done. People are complaining about that but I don't really understand why. We knew that this would happen. The Bond franchise was rebooted so we aren't going to show all of our cards right away, that would be boring. What we have seen is Bond slowly develop into the legend we all know.
for instance those who watch Arrow, how many seasons was it till Oliver Queen wore a mask or this season they finally call him "Green Arrow". The Bond series has done a great job of showing the journey of the man that becomes the legend.
for instance those who watch Arrow, how many seasons was it till Oliver Queen wore a mask or this season they finally call him "Green Arrow". The Bond series has done a great job of showing the journey of the man that becomes the legend.
Good flick, third in the Craig era for me though.
Skyfall was leaps and bounds better I thought, and Casino Royale edges it out as well. Definitely better than QOS though.
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Skyfall was leaps and bounds better I thought, and Casino Royale edges it out as well. Definitely better than QOS though.
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Oh come on now, worse than Madonna's? No way, I can't listen to 5 seconds of that crap. :lol
The theme has grown on me, the falsetto still throws me off but I'll be damned if I can get it out of my head.
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Agent A
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I loved Spectre! The only major let down was the theme song. My second complaint would be the lack of development and character of the two main villains. I also concur that Christoph Waltz's talents were not used to their potential... but he was still great in it! That being said, the positives far outweighed the negatives for me. I actually really enjoyed the nods to the past and to the Brosnan Era style gadgets and scenes; Being a Brosnan fan, I had missed them and I loved that they made those references in (possibly Craig's last film?). They were just "nods" afterall, they weren't anywhere near a return to the later part of the brosnan era. I think people are exaggerating on that front.. In the end I loved it, and I would put it up there as a contender with Skyfall and Casino Royale. I need to watch it a few more times to really let it settle in! 
Noeland
Master Member
I wanted to love it. I thought the first act was pretty good until it became clear that he was not on assignment, but once again going rogue. He was never even given an assignment in this film, which kind of put me off. Once they started building the plot with "C" the rest of the film felt really predictable, trite, and silly to me. I thought the 3rd act was a complete disaster. I actually rolled my eyes. I never roll my eyes.
Maybe I'm just an old guy but I really miss the chauvinist Bond who uses flirting and sex to cover the very cold dark heart of a killer. Why does he need to have a girlfriend? Over and over, he falls in love. He should not even want one. He's 007. And why do they always end up trapped in a collapsing building?
The angst over not wanting to be a spy. I can do without it. It does not feel like James Bond to me. Bourne, OK. That works. But James Bond LOVES being a spy. He loves being 007.
I also felt that they completely missed the mark on Blofeld. I enjoyed the idea. That he's been pulling the strings in secret through all the Craig films. That's a solid idea. It was just thrown away though. It had no real palpable effect on the story, or on James Bond. It just didn't matter. He was ultimately just another bad guy doing bad things. The back story though, was so changed and altered that initially my thought was . . . OK, this is really going to mess up Bond. Once he discovers the truth, this is going to hurt him. They are going somewhere dark, and very personal here.
Nope. Not even a little bit.
Frankly, when I heard Bautista was cast in the film, part of me thought they might be going back to the roots of Blofeld's character. Then I heard he was not playing Blofeld. If you know the books, the Fleming books, you will know exactly what I mean. I think his character was just a nod to the the Blofeld of the books.
I also hope this is Craig's last bond. As much as I love Casino Royale, and Skyfall it feels like time to move on.
Maybe I'm just an old guy but I really miss the chauvinist Bond who uses flirting and sex to cover the very cold dark heart of a killer. Why does he need to have a girlfriend? Over and over, he falls in love. He should not even want one. He's 007. And why do they always end up trapped in a collapsing building?
The angst over not wanting to be a spy. I can do without it. It does not feel like James Bond to me. Bourne, OK. That works. But James Bond LOVES being a spy. He loves being 007.
I also felt that they completely missed the mark on Blofeld. I enjoyed the idea. That he's been pulling the strings in secret through all the Craig films. That's a solid idea. It was just thrown away though. It had no real palpable effect on the story, or on James Bond. It just didn't matter. He was ultimately just another bad guy doing bad things. The back story though, was so changed and altered that initially my thought was . . . OK, this is really going to mess up Bond. Once he discovers the truth, this is going to hurt him. They are going somewhere dark, and very personal here.
Nope. Not even a little bit.
Frankly, when I heard Bautista was cast in the film, part of me thought they might be going back to the roots of Blofeld's character. Then I heard he was not playing Blofeld. If you know the books, the Fleming books, you will know exactly what I mean. I think his character was just a nod to the the Blofeld of the books.
I also hope this is Craig's last bond. As much as I love Casino Royale, and Skyfall it feels like time to move on.
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