space 1999 stun gun question

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  1. Luke Skyvader

    Luke Skyvader Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Can anyone here tell me if the Space 1999 stun gun nozzles are found items?

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  2. Sean

    Sean Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    Great question. I could only wish that someone could answer it..
     
  3. Luke Skyvader

    Luke Skyvader Sr Member RPF PREMIUM MEMBER

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    they kinda look like LED holders. I've been thinking of making one but the nozzles have been holding me back.
     
  4. RobbLopaka

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    I have been making several stun guns and comlocks over the last couple of months here is an example of each. They are carved out of solid wood, these are just about ready for some paint. I have made two guns and three comlocks from wood. I'm getting ready to try 3d printing of the third gun, just to see how that goes. The nozzles were cut from a wooden dowel and shaped with a wood rasp so they were narrower at the one end. The end is currently flat, I am thinking that I will drill slightly into the end to create a little cup shape on each one, then paint the inside with the appropriate colors
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  5. swhite228

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    I've never heard they were found items. You might want to check the "All Sections Alpha" Facebook or forum pages for an answer.
     
  6. Blackbirdcd

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    If they are found objects, they're likely some kind of light-holder - but not LEDs as we are talking the mid 1970's here. Instead, they're likely some other component for electronics at the time. They're basically just little flat-topped cones on square bases.
     
  7. Blackbirdcd

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    I've collected a few images of the stunguns over the years for reference, here you go:
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    And these were from a thread on EagleTransporter and my apologies for not having the proper names handy (and if you recognize the original poster please let me know if I don't find it myself) but they're comparisons between two kits and the die-cast prop offered a while back. The point was that the resin kits were closer to what the hero prop is thought to be. Personally I've found a few kits which are undersized (the old Wilco Kit in particular is tiny, and based on the entirely wrong drawings in the old Space 1999 tech manual):

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    To me, the prop replica in the middle of these shots appears closest to the original hero - and it does appear there were several sizes of the prop over the course of the show (not to mention the really bad vacu-formed shells used for the throw-away background props, which all appeared undersized)
     
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  8. Felgacarb

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    (Those are great pictures, Blackbirdcd!)

    I don't know if the actual nozzles were found items or not- when I made my wood version, I used wooden squares (of various heights) for the bases, and cut the tips off of cheap plastic ball point pens for the cones:

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    If I did this again, I would use a lower section of the cone- I think mine came out a bit small...

    Good luck!
     
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  9. Mola Rob

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    This is the best shot of the nozzles I've seen, looks like they're made of metal on this one, maybe some kind of paint gun nozzle?
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  10. Blackbirdcd

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    I think your wood StunGun looks great! Sure, compared to the images the nozzles look small but it works very well. Love those uniforms too

    Thanks for sharing that photo, Mola, I didn't have that one. They do look metal, so does the knob on the side. Everything else is probably fabricated I'm sure.
     
  11. Rupp66

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    I remember having a sqirtgun of one of these 'back in the day'. Not sure if one of those would help scale, or detail, but I'm sure one is out there, for reference. Your model looks awesome, truly, nice work. -Jason
     
  12. Duncanator

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    The nozzles look a little like the replaceable tips from a pop-rivet gun. I'm sure I'm wrong, but why not.
     
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  13. RobbLopaka

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    What type/size of wood block did you start with to carve the body of the gun?
     
  14. Sean

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    If they made rounded head rivets back in the day. and they had replacement tips with square bases. you could be on to something there..

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  15. Blackbirdcd

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    There were a few stung gun toys, but the squirt gun was the most similar to the prop - even it was oddly sized and shaped.

    Whatever the nozzles were originally, they had to be fairly common - each hero prop needed four.

    i wouldn't rule out any of the suggestions so far, but they appear metal, rugged, and the open end is pretty wide.
     
  16. RobbLopaka

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    Here is a pic of one of the finished guns
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  17. Felgacarb

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    I started with a 3/4" pine board, if I recall correctly...
     
  18. RobbLopaka

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    So here is a pic of the stun gun that I printed on a 3D printer. I had two false starts with this that I had to abandon. I finally got this one printed. It is a little smaller than the ones that I'm making out of wood. But the details are a little sharper. There was a lot of little bumps and imperfections in the print that I had to cut away and sand down. A couple of places that I had to fill in with some putty, But over all I think the build time is going to be much shorter. I'm currently working on applying buttons etc.. to one of my wooden comlocks, when that is finished and painted Ill post a pic of that. I also want to 3D print a comlock and see how the two compare.
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  19. RobbLopaka

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    I got around to 3D printing a comlock, heres a pic of it next to a partially finished one Im making from wood.
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  20. Blackbirdcd

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    I am noticing a common mistake with the front part of these stun guns - the slab in front with the emitters is supposed to be slightly sloped on the emitter side (the outside if you will), while the inside is almost 90 degrees. People seem to be going the opposite of this, making the inside angled while the outside is flat. It's apparent in the screenshots of the hero prop that this is the case.

    Am I wrong in seeing this?

    Also, in spite of this detail nit, I really like the pieces shared in this thread. I'm more concerned that I get my own drawings accurate
     
  21. Felgacarb

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    Ya know, now that you mention it, I think you are right! I copied mine from a resin kit that overall was pretty nice, but I think it was wrong in this regard, too. Dang, I may need to make another!
     
  22. Blackbirdcd

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    Well don't feel bad Felgacarb, my first resin kit was based on the inaccurate Tech Manual plans and was totally undersized!

    And this detail is pretty subtle - I think they look fantastic even if they don't technically match the hero!
     
  23. RobbLopaka

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    The other thing that is weird with these nozzles is the fact that they are not all the same. The top one is more nozzle and very little base (the square part) the bottom one is more base and very little nozzle. Even the ones that I've been working on I have made the nozzles all the same. I am working to day on finishing up the wooden comlock and I hoping to post some pics of side by side comparisons of the wooden models vs the 3D printed models.
     
  24. Mola Rob

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    The nozzles are different lengths to offset the angle of the front of the stun gun, as pointed out by Blackbirdcd,

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  25. RobbLopaka

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    I assume this is a screen capture. The angle of the front of the gun is interesting, It would seem the two drawings that I have been working off of are both wrong, They both show a 90 degree angle between the top and the front of the gun.
     
  26. RobbLopaka

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    So here are some pics of the finished products. These are the guns, the first shows all three of the guns which includes the first one, which ended up being a little too large. My fault for not doing as much research as I should have. I guess that includes not knowing about the 87 degree angle on the front of the gun as well. Although Im sure that all my models will pass the 10 foot rule. (hows it look from 10 feet away). In the other pics the wooden hand carved gun is on the left and the 3D printed one is on the right. (the third pic the 3d is on the left, I tried to keep them on the same side but that didn't work out so well) For the wooden model I did 3d print the slide switch on the top of the gun. My original design for the wooden gun was to not have the slide switch. Screen captures from the pilot show no slide switch. I did use Felgacarb's idea of using the end of pens to make the nozzles.
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  27. RobbLopaka

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    Here are the comlocks, in this case the 3D printed one is on the left and the wooden one is on the right. I am waiting for some decals to arrive so I can put numbers on the buttons on the 3d printed model. The wooden model I used the buttons from a calculator and glued them onto the surface, so I took some artistic license with some of the sizes and colors of the buttons, because I wanted to use what I could from the calculator. The screen on these came out quite different, the wooden model I simply shaped the wood into a sloping block and painted a blue square on the top of it. The 3d model had only a square sloping frame around a flat interior. I then took a piece of clear pvc plastic from the hobby store (0.02) and shaped it into a curved surface using the bottom of spray paint can, back painted it blue and inserted into the frame. It really looks like a little television screen.

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  28. JeffZugale

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    Blackbirdcd - You're probably thinking of Scifitodd 's Eagle thread. He seems like the biggest 1999 fan around here!
     
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  29. Scifitodd

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    Hi guys, I know all about these stun guns and commlocks. 10460804_10205656745521305_375883603935629817_n.jpg IMG_0941.JPG IMG_0935.JPG
    I can get you hooked up with whatever you need. The emitters are aluminum and the commlock and stun gun are resin and damned near perfect. These are 10 times better than the original props!
     
  30. Scifitodd

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    Who? Me? A big fan I am, large I am also! lol
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  31. GaryArm

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    Hi guys
    From what I was told back in the day, the original stun gun prop was made from an off the shelf staple gun with some redressing
    The nozzles were from a pop rivet tool. I got one in the 80's and still have it somewhere in my workshop
    It came with four nozzles for different size shafts of the pop rivets and screwed in to the side or the end of the tool, for hard to get to rivets.
    The label has worn off it so I don't have a brand name for the tool and I have not seen it on the market for years
     
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  32. Scifitodd

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    Don't need it if you have these precisely machined baby's!

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  33. GaryArm

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    Your parts look great Scifitodd
    But the original Hero prop nozzles (as I was told by the guys on the show) had a six sided base that was all the same height on each nozzle (to be put on with a spanner)
    The hole in the center got smaller for each nozzle
    Now there may be some confusion with the background prop gun as they were not made the same.
    During production of the show, they may not have always used the Hero props all the time for close-ups
     
  34. Sean

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    sweeeeet! :thumbsup
     
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  35. Scifitodd

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    Not sure about that my friend but these parts have been designed by Canadian Mike Reader who is in contact with the higher ups in 1999 prop collecting in the UK. The Small Art Works stun gun is said to be very accurate. And as hard nosed about accuracy my friend Jim Small is I'm 100% they are.


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  36. Blackbirdcd

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    I believe I recall seeing you at WF last year. That was a fantastic large scale Eagle - thanks JeffZugale!

    I'm not so sure that the stun gun was a found object - but I'm willing to be wrong about that. Parts of it? Sure, but the main body looks crafted to me personally. But if it was based on a real staple gun, that would be cool to see (like the old plastic pencil case used for the original Star Trek communicators).
     
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  37. Blackbirdcd

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    Thank you for putting this diagram together - this is precisely what I was attempting to describe.
     
  38. MustangGTR1

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    I guess am the only drummer here. They look just the the nuts on the inside of drum lug casings
     
  39. anamorphicWayne

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    I just cut the ends off of pens and glued them to square blocks.

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    The original vacuum-formed prop compared to a modern replica of a hero prop are the first 3 photos!
    , stun, laser, atomic, hence the initials "TSLA".
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    94ceb6bd-04e5-44e2-ac63-29bd082616a7_zpsdstlgvol.jpg Keith Wilson's original design drawing from 1973.



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  42. RobbLopaka

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    What do you have laying around from the 80's? the pop rivet tool or the staple gun? If its the staple gun I would not mind seeing a pic of it

    - - - Updated - - -

    What did you use or what process did you use to create the gun itself. I noticed that you do not a grip on the gun in this pic, did you make that as a separate piece. etc...
     
  43. RobbLopaka

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    So I do need three of these stun guns for the con I will be attending. So after analyzing this photo it appears that there is about an 84 degree angle on the front of the gun with the top of the gun. As far as the body of the gun is concerned. It also appears that the base of the grip is a little wider than I have made on the other two guns. I am a little concerned about the width of the grip because it is not all visible in this pic. Does anyone have any other pics or screen caps that might show more of the gun?
     
  44. Sean

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  45. Scifitodd

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    How about a resit kit with all you need to make a great stun gun prop?

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  46. MustangGTR1

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    Not all had the stun/kill on top
     
  47. Mola Rob

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    stun1a.jpg COTM-laserfight-03.jpg BTB-laser.jpg ATAP-floorlaser.jpg ABC-laserfight01.jpg
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    Here's a crapazoid stun gun for good measure
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  48. Sean

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  49. anamorphicWayne

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    Yes. The main body is made from wood and I added the plastic grip later. My intention was to install a laser light in the top emitter and have the batteries hidden in the grip.
     
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  50. Mola Rob

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    You're welcome. The series 1 Blu-ray makes it so much easier to see some of the details. :)
     

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